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Dancers from Ohio strip club protest at church (video included)

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posted on Aug, 9 2010 @ 07:11 PM
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Good for them. I'm glad someone's standing up to the bullies of America.

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posted on Aug, 9 2010 @ 07:20 PM
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Originally posted by SeventhSeal
Good for them. I'm glad someone's standing up to the bullies of America.

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I wouldn't call protesting strippers as being bullies.



posted on Aug, 9 2010 @ 07:30 PM
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Originally posted by airspoon
No, I believe most Christians (and to a much smaller degree, Muslims) impose their will on others because they feel that it is god's will for them to do so.

I met many conservatives who aren't religious and feel this way
I know many christians are conservative but it's just that they for some reason have a larger voice.
It's not like that though, there are many conservatives that aren't religious.


Originally posted by airspoon
People should not be forced to abide by the beliefs of others. If they want a better society for their children, then move somewhere else. In this case, if they don't want their children to be enticed into strip clubs, then raise them right to where they won't.

Come on man, leave your home because you don't agree with a growing perspective where you live?
That's not fair
And what if they can't afford to leave? Assimilate like the borg?
You might as well tell Palestine to become jewish if they wish to stay there.


Originally posted by airspoon
Ultimately, it should be their right, when they become adults. I shouldn't be expected to give up my liberties because they are afraid their children may do something they don't approve of.

You are bringing it too much to the extreme.
Parents always care even if the kids are adults, to them they are always their kids.

You seem to see it as either this extreme or the other.
Like even if you are in your 20s conservatives see it as NO YOU CANNOT, instead of you can but please don't, i don't agree with it and i will fight for my society not to be so radicalized.
Or the other extreme where it's just let them do what they want and don't care.
I'm not saying this is how you feel, but that's what i'm reading.
I'm sure that's not how you feel though.



Originally posted by airspoon
The reason why I single out Christians as opposed to Muslims, is because unlike Christianity, the Islamic religion doesn't believe in forcing their religion on others, generally speaking of course.

Yes and No
Christianity is all about budget, get people to be christian by well funded advertising, colonization, wars, and going to Haiti to "help", and imperialism.
You won't meet many christians telling you to be christians but you'll see alot of well funded campaigns to increase their number.

Islam on the other hand takes the approach of increasing their population numbers, moving outwards, creating communities and setting up more and more mosques all around the world.

These are two very different approaches, but make no mistake they are approaches.
What do you think the 'many wives' in islam is all about?
It's about increasing the army, more and faster off-springs.
Like increasing employees at a factory.


Originally posted by airspoon
In sum, most christians who are imposing their will on others or trying to do so, do it because they believe that they are right and everyone is wrong, whether we like it or not. They have zero respect for other people's beliefs and feel that their own beliefs are far more important than the liberty of each one of us.

Dude I see the same thing with liberals.
I see the same thing with republicans.
I see the same thing with every 'group' of people.



posted on Aug, 9 2010 @ 07:38 PM
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Originally posted by earl call

Originally posted by SeventhSeal
Good for them. I'm glad someone's standing up to the bullies of America.

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I wouldn't call protesting strippers as being bullies.


Protesting a woman's right to work?

Not sure what other word to use besides "bully." But thanks for the reply.



posted on Aug, 9 2010 @ 07:45 PM
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Just a question...

At the beginning of the OP's video there was a little rundown shack.

Is that the Foxhole? Just looking at it gave me aids.



posted on Aug, 9 2010 @ 07:52 PM
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Wow...... Foxes is right.






posted on Aug, 9 2010 @ 07:58 PM
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I could not have said it better.




posted on Aug, 9 2010 @ 08:23 PM
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I wonder how many of those good Christians frequent the Fox Hole without the old lady knowing about it??

I find the 2 BUSINESSES to be similar...2 places that gouge all the money they can out of you, while getting your hopes up. Church is cheaper entertainment, there is no cover or 2 drink minimum. Ha.

It does seem like the FH needs some talent tho.



posted on Aug, 9 2010 @ 08:27 PM
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Originally posted by Come Clean
Just a question...

At the beginning of the OP's video there was a little rundown shack.

Is that the Foxhole? Just looking at it gave me aids.




Yeah, I bet a little exterior decorating could resolve a lot of this issue between both parties.



posted on Aug, 9 2010 @ 08:48 PM
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Those crazy strippers maybe I should stop saying "holy Jesus" when I see them take there tops off.



posted on Aug, 9 2010 @ 08:56 PM
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Originally posted by Hefficide

If they keep this up and decide to include strippers in all functions of the church I just might have to get religious.


You're kidding right??? Those are the ugliest strippers I have ever seen!!!
I am a chick, but yeah I know what is good looking and what is not, OMG I have had friends that strip who would look at those women and go WHAAAAT?
LMAO!!!!
Ohio is not looking very good at this point.
I do agree with the right to do what they want for a career, but didn't say if the church incited this?? If they didn't then, well the strippers are dumb A's!!!!



posted on Aug, 9 2010 @ 08:59 PM
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True conservatism has been confused with either neo-conservatism or the relatively new movement of the religious right. If you believe in imposing your will on others or restricting people's personal liberties, you aren't truly conservative.

Lately, Americans have been mislead into believing that the false left-right paradigm is American politics when that is not even close to the truth. Sure, that's the only choice we are given in the US but it is the political system that confines our beliefs to this narrow two-dimensional model. Instead of American politics shaping itself to conform to the beliefs of the people, the people conform to the political system, too soon forgetting that politics is much more complex than that. I have theorized about why this is so for a while now, though it is irrelevant to this discussion at hand so for the sake of brevity, I leave this for another thread.



Take the Nolan Chart for example. This provides another dimension to American politics, with the top of this diamond being for more personal freedom. You can actually take a very small quiz to see where you really stand on politics.


Come on man, leave your home because you don't agree with a growing perspective where you live?
That's not fair
And what if they can't afford to leave? Assimilate like the borg?
You might as well tell Palestine to become jewish if they wish to stay there


Nobody is saying that anyone has to move, however if you don't like your present situation, then you can either choose to accept it or leave. Nobody is forcing anyone else to live anywhere. If you can't afford to move, then you just have to accept and respect other people's choices that don't affect you and continue on with your life. It doesn't cost anything to walk out of your front door.

No one is forcing you to assimilate. If you don't like the gay bar down the street, then don't go. If you don't like the strip club, then don't go. The only people trying to force others to assimilate, are the religious right, neo-conservatives, socialists and anyone else who doesn't believe in liberty.

Your example of Palestine assimilating into Judaism is wrong and backwards. You have to break everything down to its ;lowest common denominator and that is force. Who is the initiator of force? No one is forcing this church to patronize the strip club, though the church is trying to force people away from patronizing the strip club.

The whole issue here is force. No one should be able to initiate force against anyone else and that is the very foundation of liberty. Now, this isn't saying that you can't respond to force with force, only that you shouldn't initiate force. The initiation of force is against the laws of nature and anything else is a form of oppression. When I use the term "force", I use it to mean any type of force, whether it be financial force, martial force, physical force, legislative force, etc...

I don't get how you think it is "unfair" to suggest that someone either accept their surroundings or move if they don't want to, yet you think it's "fair" to impose your will on others.

If you purchase a house and you don't like the color of the neighbor's house (purple). You have two options. You can either accept it or you can move. You shouldn't be able to force your neighbor to repaint his house. Nobody is forcing you to live their and if you were to move, it would be your choice. On the other hand, if you were to force your neighbor to change the color of his home, it would be you initiating the force and not your neighbor's choice. Why would your opinion be more valuable than his?


You seem to see it as either this extreme or the other.


No, I see it as an issue of liberty. Freedom is black and white and it's something that you either have or don't have. You can't be a little free or have a little liberty. Initiating force against someone else is extreme.


Like even if you are in your 20s conservatives see it as NO YOU CANNOT, instead of you can but please don't, i don't agree with it and i will fight for my society not to be so radicalized.
Or the other extreme where it's just let them do what they want and don't care.
I'm not saying this is how you feel, but that's what i'm reading.
I'm sure that's not how you feel though.


I agree with liberty and completely disagree with tyranny or oppression. For instance, I believe that consenting adults should have every liberty to do everything, up until it impedes the liberty of someone else. If someone wants to shoot crack into their veins, then it is none of my business, so long as it doesn't affect me. Who am I to say I know what is best for this person? On the same note, only I know what's best for me and no man should have the power to direct my life. I'm a grown man and should be able to make my own choices. I don't need a nanny to do that for me. Unfortunately, we have been indoctrinated to believe otherwise. Who are we to decide the direction in which others live? Are we somehow better? Who's to decide what is best and what isn't? If it doesn't affect us, it should be none of our business.

If I don't like the color purple, then I should either deal with it or make my own choices that will limit my contact with the color. I shouldn't be able to force others from wearing or using the color. It really is that simple. If someone doesn't like the strip club, then they don't have to patronize it. A strip club doesn't initiate force against anyone by just existing. If someone doesn't like gay marriage, then don't marry a homosexual. Homosexual marriage does not affect those who don't believe in it. It is the same principal across the board. You look at an issue and break it down by deciding who is the initiator of force.

For example, I don't agree with gay marriage or even strip clubs so I simply won't marry a homosexual and I won't visit a strip club. I'll try to raise my children in a manner to which they will hold my same values. If the grow up and ditch those values, that's their choice. I'll be sad but I'll also respect their choice as it should be theirs to make.

Most conservatives that I know, to include myself, believe that people should be able to make their own choices in life and that government shouldn't be a part of the equation.

Sorry, RL calls, though I'll finish my response to your post when I return.

--airspoon

Edited to add:

p.s. please keep in mind that my use of the term "you", isn't really to denote you as in you, just trying to get the point across. Also, I'm not trying to suggest that you believe anything that I was preaching against, it only came across that way. I don't want to put words in your mouth and that wasn't my intentions at all.





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posted on Aug, 9 2010 @ 09:03 PM
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My satiric statement was about the concept and not about the specific faces involved. I just found the whole situation to be hillarious. And my sentiment stands... If a local church lightened up enough to have a "swimwear sermon" I would probably be inclined to show up!



posted on Aug, 9 2010 @ 09:05 PM
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AH ha!!! I See...lol...Anyway yeah I don't liek anybody telling me what to do with my life, career, children, etc...so I can understand why they may feel the need to protest however did the church incite this Or did they just not like them moving in across the street from them???



posted on Aug, 9 2010 @ 09:07 PM
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From my understanding of the story, the church was picketing the strip club so the strippers returned the favor in an eye for an eye, old school kind of way!



posted on Aug, 9 2010 @ 09:15 PM
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Originally posted by rokrep69

I find the 2 BUSINESSES to be similar...2 places that gouge all the money they can out of you, while getting your hopes up. Church is cheaper entertainment, there is no cover or 2 drink minimum. Ha.


That's funniest analogy

So true.

Bravo girls.
But please, brush your teeth next week.



posted on Aug, 9 2010 @ 09:16 PM
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Well then Good for them!!! That's what it takes to get a point across, they won't be happy until they control everything and start burning witches again... So I applaud them!



posted on Aug, 9 2010 @ 09:18 PM
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posted on Aug, 9 2010 @ 09:19 PM
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I for one would like to commend you posting pictures. Not that they are future Mrs. Americas, but just the fact that you didn't go lame. Much like this group. The church is for saving the souls that come to you. If you are doing such a good job that everyone at your church is saved, then go to another church. Don't bother the people who don't come looking for salvation. They have theirs and enjoy it. And who knows, maybe God thinks theirs might make more sense. He would not have made breasts so beautiful if he didn't want us looking at them. And old Ben Franklin agreed, "Beer is proof that God loves us"



posted on Aug, 9 2010 @ 09:20 PM
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"Believe me it takes guts and certain outer shell or skin to do this job. "

No, all it takes is willingness to degrade yourself all for money. That's insulting to people who actually DO have jobs that takes courage, the ones that risk their lives everyday.



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