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The Corruption in the Manga Industry and other industries

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posted on Aug, 10 2010 @ 03:07 AM
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At the end of the day, thieves will be thieves and steal whatever they like because they feel they have a divine right to have access to or own anything and everything.

I do not really have an objection to genuine "try before you buy" file sharing, the big problem is that this requires more honesty and integrity than the vast majority have as evidenced in this thread (and countless others). That sadly leaves us with one option, and that is telling the dirty, greedy thieves where to go...





posted on Aug, 10 2010 @ 03:11 AM
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reply to post by Unity_99
 


Alright I admit its a double edged sword. I even said I will read scans first myself.

But do you buy after you try? Being a fan means supporting the works you love, not just enjoying the sweat of anothers hard labor.

Media companies need to adapt, no doubt about it, a happy middle ground needs to be established. The idea you should have the right to unlimited access to the material for free though is equally as unreasonable as the current pricing / distribution schemes.



posted on Aug, 10 2010 @ 03:17 AM
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Originally posted by Agent_USA_Supporter

Controversial archconservative Tokyo Gov. Shintaro Ishihara

Strong supporter of usa bases in japan.






*cough*

That is some funny stuff, there.




"Fifty years of subservience to the interest of the United States has deprived the Japanese of a national purpose and engendered a paralyzing identity crisis."


Shintarō Ishihara is a stalwart, unabashed and extremely vocal ultra-nationalist, far-rightist, racist, and occasional xenophobe. To call him a strong supporter of US bases in Japan is akin to saying the moon is made of cheese.

Moving along, if you are convinced that Ishihara is a big fan of the USA, you probably wont be able to see why scanlation is theft.



posted on Aug, 10 2010 @ 08:12 AM
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So your opinion is that you are entitled to comic books, even if you can't pay for them due to financial circumstances?

It's an interesting theory, but I am wondering what else you are entitled to, without having to pay for, due to the recession?

I am being facetious here, but I think the real issue is structural, right? Your favorite comics aren't available at the newstand in your particular country? Perhaps we should focus on that problem and not on the problem of the recession, since I think we can both agree that luxury items such as comic books and music aren't entitlements that should be given away for free, just because there is an economic downturn, right?



posted on Aug, 10 2010 @ 04:15 PM
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Once again ATS idea of freedom on Net is wrong

I don't why i even bothered posting my thread then.
Since you dont understand the whole issue with manga scanners and the enjoyment of it , its not worth discussing it.

[edit on 10-8-2010 by Agent_USA_Supporter]

[edit on 10-8-2010 by Agent_USA_Supporter]



posted on Aug, 10 2010 @ 05:06 PM
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off-topic post removed to prevent thread-drift


 



posted on Aug, 10 2010 @ 06:03 PM
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And why should i tell you what i do in these times during hard times?

We are all struggling to make a living and not to mention paying these bills.

I guess in your mind there is no recession for you at least



And why i do a have feeling this was an off topic personal attack?

[edit on 10-8-2010 by Agent_USA_Supporter]



posted on Aug, 10 2010 @ 06:28 PM
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reply to post by Mr Mask
 


sure and big companies it is okay to steal people's work and screw them over?

LOL yup, copyright infringement only works for the big corporate america.



posted on Aug, 10 2010 @ 06:50 PM
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Originally posted by dragnet53
reply to post by Mr Mask
 


sure and big companies it is okay to steal people's work and screw them over?

LOL yup, copyright infringement only works for the big corporate america.



Is this some weak attempt to defend theft? Like I said, I've spent much breath and effort in the past years trying to make people see piracy for what it really is.

I'm not shocked at the excuses I see here throughout the thread.

A thief will always have a special reason why they should be allowed to steal.

Just like a savage will always have a reason to be an animal.

I think the true power in being a real man/woman, comes from drawing a strict line and refusing to cross it even when it is easy to do so.

So, enjoy showing me a corporation's greed in effort to validate one of the lowest forms of crime.

If its not food needed to survive or watered needed to drink...there is no excuse you will find that allows me to respect you for stealing a "stupid little comic book".

If that is all it takes for you to steal...I am sorry.



posted on Aug, 10 2010 @ 08:02 PM
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I buy things I like, love having them in book form, prefer graphic novel form to any other form and if I ever made them would make them in that form so you could buy them from a book store, order them through one and have them in the library. I've ordered from asia music company the jrock music I like too. Hoever, I do not believe in any form of money and banks and if we as a human race wish to progress into the cosmos and not be swept away by wars, catastrophes and nwo, we will denounce all the leaders, and banks, money, redistribute all things equally, and volunteer and contribute. There will still be artists and writers, and those who combine the media. And there will still be muscicians, but everyone will live in euotpia.



[edit on 10-8-2010 by Unity_99]



posted on Aug, 10 2010 @ 08:43 PM
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Right, Utopia.

In the meantime, all the artists, musicians and writers will starve and be driven into poverty, until the rest of you consumers decide to ALSO stop taking money for whatever it is you do.

Stay Piccard,

Oz



posted on Aug, 11 2010 @ 03:21 AM
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Doesn't that sound an awful lot like communism? Just sayin'.

As the previous poster said, are you getting paid to work at the moment, and if so surely YOU must be the one to make the first step and decide that you should do it for free. Lead by example, and if it's all that it's cracked up to be the rest will follow.

You do not have the authority to decide if someone's work should be free or not, but you do have the choice not to buy or steal their work.



posted on Aug, 11 2010 @ 10:02 AM
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Originally posted by Agent_USA_Supporter
Once again ATS idea of freedom on Net is wrong

I don't why i even bothered posting my thread then.
Since you dont understand the whole issue with manga scanners and the enjoyment of it , its not worth discussing it.
OK, let's rephrase this then. What if it were 30 child pornography websites being shut down. Would you still be anti-government? Would you still be moaning about "Freedom on the Net?" I mean, pedophiles are just doing it "for the enjoyment of it", right?

There are laws against child pornography.

There are laws against copyright infringement.

I'm not saying the two crimes are equivalent, but I am saying that just because you don't like a particular law, doesn't mean you should just ignore it. Some regulation of the net is a good thing.

[edit on 8/11/2010 by JoshNorton]



posted on Aug, 11 2010 @ 02:31 PM
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So i guess ATS members on this thread support manga corporations but not manga freedom? ok then have it your way then.

I will support manga scanlation groups and sites.


I was talking about how corporations & Capitalism have taken over the manga industry.




And other thing the manga publishers have no evidence to suggest that the manga scanlation or manga scanners are responsible for the sales drop of manga.



And lastly i guess the majority of people here support capitalism.

[edit on 11-8-2010 by Agent_USA_Supporter]



posted on Aug, 11 2010 @ 10:21 PM
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reply to post by Mr Mask
 


I see you defend corporate america even if they steal the little guys work?

typical...



posted on Aug, 12 2010 @ 01:33 AM
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Originally posted by Agent_USA_Supporter
So i guess ATS members on this thread support manga corporations but not manga freedom? ok then have it your way then.
Without corporations there would be no manga. Manga freedom is a myth.


I was talking about how corporations & Capitalism have taken over the manga industry.
What exactly do you think "industry" is? It's corporations & capitalism. That's what it's always been, and that's what it always will be.


And lastly i guess the majority of people here support capitalism.
Yes. I fully support the rights of people who create things to be paid for their hard work. Obviously, you don't.

The corporations are not just the distributors of the content, they're also the gateway to the market. They're the tastemakers who, for better or worse, cut the stuff they consider "crap", and promote the stuff they think there's a market for. Without them the artists & writers would have a MUCH smaller audience, and thus a much smaller paycheck; giving them less of a reason to continue to create quality work.

Self publishing and micro-payments can only get you so far...

[edit on 8/12/2010 by JoshNorton]



posted on Aug, 12 2010 @ 07:29 AM
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Originally posted by dragnet53
reply to post by Mr Mask
 


I see you defend corporate america even if they steal the little guys work?

typical...


Actually, thousands of comic book writers, artists, letterers and even stores, have closed in the past ten years due to bad sales and a dwindling market.

I can not say "stealing comics" will help anyone but the guy/girl who is stealing.

This goes for ALL arts...

Digital theft is a nightmare for many industries of art and media...if you think I'm being a bit too uppity about it...I assure you I am not.

STEALING is WRONG...end of story.

If anyone wants to defend the act of theft by trying to sound patriotic or anti-establishment, then you are only fooling yourself.

Artists and production companies know it damn well in every field, thieves are ruining the ability to make money off of products created by talented hands and minds.

Anyone who is stealing...is guilty of it.

Sorry, there is no moral highroad...

In fact, if 100% of the people who were pirating owned works, were easy to capture and arrest, I assure you, none of you would be doing it.

None of you steal or pirate works because you have some inner glow of patriotism, that is hogwash and a stilted attempt to not sound lowly.

It is too bad so many folks do not care about morals in the safety of their own personal computer space.

As for supporting "manga freedom"? WHAT THE HELL IS MANGA FREEDOM!? They are comic books... akin to toys and candy. There is no manga freedom.

There is only "those who support the artists and companies behind the work" and "those who care nothing about themselves or those who bring the art to the table as they freely steal hard made art from starving artists".

There is NO EXCUSES HERE...if your a thief...you ARE A THIEF...

Just as low as a person breaking in to homes or shoplifting.

PS- Hell yes I support capitalism! Most people who don't, have nothing to capitalize on, and think they have some god given right to taking other people's hard work.



posted on Aug, 13 2010 @ 02:27 PM
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Just spent an hour reading about these scan-junkie pirates and manga.


Apparently, the artists and companies producing them unanimously agree, such practice has single handedly destroyed the entire genre and the ability to make a buisness for those who create the work.

Hmmmm...so lets see, the artists themselves blame people like "those preaching this act is ok" as a bane to the entire industry of manga.

Apparently, there was a "select" market until until greedy pig thieves decided to start taking liberties with people's hard made personal work.

Save it...save it for whoever hears your silly defense of theft.

People like you have ruined yet ANOTHER industry where people like me may have had a chance to see some return and benefit from working hard on art.

People like you are an enemy to art...not a fan or friend...

Good luck stealing...perhaps technology will catch up with you one day and arrest you like they should have a long time ago.

I'm done hearing young kids defend stealing art from artists.

Artists are very special people, and when you steal the food from their table, they starve to death.

Its nice to know there is finally someone ripping off artists worse then the industries now that exploit them...there are false-fans with grubby internet-crimes just sucking up whatever they can for free because they have the morals of thieves and the loyalty of criminals.

Enjoy that...every manga artist you have hurt, finds your arguments, views and reasoning skills to be nothing more then "hollow excuses to explain away your criminal activity".

PS- My mother would be ashamed of me if I went through this world stealing what I see fit.

PSS- For those who do not recognize copywrite laws here (yah I see you)...too bad you also do not recognize destroying an artist's livelihood.

Im glad they are shutting down these scan sites...those of you illegally using them to steal from my brothers and sisters in the art world, have no right to even see art...or walk around free without spending a few months in a cell.

Heres to authorities finding you .



posted on Aug, 13 2010 @ 02:34 PM
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I find most manga/hentai/yaoi to be repulsive and far from a form of art. Japanese artists sexualize young kids through their art.



posted on Aug, 13 2010 @ 02:42 PM
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Originally posted by The Sword
I find most manga/hentai/yaoi to be repulsive and far from a form of art. Japanese artists sexualize young kids through their art.


Yes, the genre is notorious for pedophilia, rape and bestiality. Those who enjoy the genre are usually the types who seek out such entertainment.

I myself am also repulsed by the art form for the most part, and find the typical "type of person" who reads/collects it to be perverted types of a very disturbing nature.

Heck, add to that "stealing the stuff" and you become a whole new level of "criminal".


Manga is a dirty genre for the most part, and world renowned for being a "sick-os cup of tea" or "a perverts paradise".

At least the title of this thread is correct...

There is much corruption in the genre....both on behalf of the readers, the thieves stealing it and those who produce it.

There are exceptions to all these points, but they are far and in-between.

Manga is synonymous with "porn"...and not your "normal type".

Like I said, littered with pedophile, forced sexual scenes, and animal humping.

And to even think, a thief stealing this perverse crap would actually have the gall to make a thread defending his right to steal from people...

Odd world...filled with perverts and crooks.






[edit on 13-8-2010 by Mr Mask]



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