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Taliban publicly flog, then execute pregnant woman in Afghanistan

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posted on Aug, 10 2010 @ 06:19 AM
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Originally posted by Son of Will
Yes, the Taliban ladies and gentleman! Oh, wait...

We created the Taliban to help stave off the Russians. And back in '01 before we entered Afghanistan, the Taliban was weak and scattered. Our presence has reinvigorated them, lifting their power and recruitment base to unprecedented levels.

We are responsible for this, you damned fools. Not crazy Muslims. We create the crazies, and then self-righteous Westerners cry "Oh how indefensible! How inhumane!" I think 99% of you are clueless as to just how much the west has influenced the political structure throughout the Middle East today.

Poverty mixed with lack of education is a powerful form of mind control yet is rarely acknowledged as such. You don't need religion to become extremist in such an environment. They happen to be Muslim and so their despicable acts will be seen as the acts of Islam. But it is their wretched existence that is the cause. And we (US, Europe) have made their lives wretched.

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Did we also create Sharia Law?

Let me guess, we created Hitler, Attila the Hun, poisonous snakes and herpes too?

We trained and helped arm Muslim insurgents during the 1980's, we did not create them.




posted on Aug, 10 2010 @ 06:36 AM
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Originally posted by Son of Will[/i

We created the Taliban to help stave off the Russians. And back in '01 before we entered Afghanistan, the Taliban was weak and scattered. Our presence has reinvigorated them, lifting their power and recruitment base to unprecedented levels.
Then look at your quote again. The presence of Russian troops could not form any sort of real resistance without our help, but everything we are doing now in the ME creates more Muslim insurgents???

Guess what? The same kind of Muslim insurgents were there during the 'Great Game' , played out between the British and Russian Empires between 1826 and 1919. So tell me how we created them?

Yours is just more anti-American rhetoric.




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posted on Aug, 10 2010 @ 06:40 AM
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I thought they stoned women, now they're firing three shots to the head? What are they, the Nazi-taliban? Maybe these stories are highlighted as a desperate attempt to bolster the war on terrorism. If we're so concerned with innocent deaths, why doesn't the US free Palestine? Oh, that's right, because they're all Hamas, all terrorists, which is a collective punishment, just as bad as the Nazi Holocaust against the Jews.



posted on Aug, 10 2010 @ 07:05 AM
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could it be they are trying to soften their image?

you know, not be so barbaric?

what does palistine have to do with the taliwhackers?



posted on Aug, 10 2010 @ 07:21 AM
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How do we know the facts are true, or even accurate?
How is it that the taliban are in public control?
Sounds like a Us supported war lord to me.

Wouldn't Carters national security Adviser Zbigniew Brzezinski be responsible, he created the Taliban?
Just like the US has admittedly been responsible for installing Mao, Pol Pot, Noriega, the shaw of Iran, Saddam Hussein and supported Stalin.
There's a couple hundred million dead.

Is this different then killing whole wedding parties with drones?
Is this like the ripping of babies from incubators in Kuwait, which never happened?
Or the gulf of TonKin which never happened?

Hey remember when Bush said football star Pat Tillman was ambushed by Taliban and then the army surgeons and generals came out and said NO sorry he was killed by a special ops triple tap to the head from ten feet away?
Remember Gen'l George Custer the Indian wars hero...
till it was discovered that he was caught by the Sioux slaughtering the women and children and so the braves then kicked his @$$?
the US lied about that till the truth came out

oh here we go...

U.S. officials have been planning to reduce the number of U.S. troops in Afghanistan to approximately 16,500, but a resurgent Taliban has put those plans on hold. A particularly fierce Taliban resurgence is expected this spring.

abcnews.go.com...

The US was leaving so the Taliban said NO! stay and fight....
We need you here to protect the opium, and to mine the trillion dollars in natural resources, and to protect the pipe line, and to slaughter our woman and children with drones and proxies...

If this actually happened, what are the odds it was a northern alliance war lord that the US allied itself with by allowing them to grow Opium at the beginning of the WAR?
pretty good I would say..
They need the US there to keep the uber dope dealer Karzai's brother and Karzai duh! in power.

OK, now I guess the US apologists will soon be here
spouting the usual bla bla bla....
Spreading Democracy yadda yadda yadda...
No matter facts are facts.


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posted on Aug, 10 2010 @ 07:25 AM
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remember when the afghans slaughtered 20,000 retreating brits?


women and children and everything alive?



posted on Aug, 10 2010 @ 07:30 AM
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mao? we were rooting for chang hi chek, hence, tiewan.

tillman? unfortunate.

pol pot? congress cut off funds.

zibiggy? lol. joke. urban myth. smart guy tho.



posted on Aug, 10 2010 @ 07:44 AM
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The Us sold arms to both sides but violated their agreement with the nationalists and didn't deliver the ammunition the nationalists side had paid for, which is why Mao won.
look it up.
Google is your friend...

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oh here we go again...


Republicans were strongly behind the major war spending, with opposition coming mostly from members of Obama's own Democratic Party who argued that the money could be better spent at home.


We gotta keep them Dems in line. How dare they expect to spend the money here at home. People are living in tents ..they love it!
What, Dems support the pregnant woman killers ?!!??!
OH MY!



At a Senate hearing on prospects for a political settlement of the Afghan conflict, there was scant mention of the leaked material, posted on the website of the whistleblower group WikiLeaks, but there were repeated expressions of frustration over the direction of the fighting.
Sen. John Kerry, D-Mass., who has questioned the realism of U.S. goals in Afghanistan though he supports the war, pointedly asked why the Taliban, with fewer resources and smaller numbers, can field fighters who are more committed to winning than are Afghan soldiers.
"What's going on here?" Kerry asked with exasperation.


Oops exasperation...how much do they spend on propaganda and planted news stories? and all they got was exasperation..?
better up the ante
Remember Karl Roves election smear tactics...No?


Still, the House seemed ready to vote final approval for more than $33.5 billion for the additional 30,000 U.S. troops in Afghanistan and to pay for other Pentagon operational expenses. Other non-war provisions brought the total bill to nearly $59 billion.

www.connectmidmichigan.com...





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posted on Aug, 10 2010 @ 07:45 AM
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Curious. If this was a report of a US Special Operations unit doing this, I can bet this thread would be at least 10 pages long, everyone screaming their Anti-US hatred.

But since it's Taliban, it's obviously a propaganda ploy by the US government to continue the war. Or it gets twisted into being the fault of the US that the Taliban executed this pregnant woman.

Just like that medical team that was killed. People posting, "Well, they were probably CIA. They deserved it," or "It was just a road-side robbery, not the Taliban."



posted on Aug, 10 2010 @ 07:48 AM
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How about instead of "I bets"
Back your self up with something tangible..
It might help your argument to have some cred. wouldn't it?



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posted on Aug, 10 2010 @ 07:56 AM
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Feel free to do a search on ATS about civilian deaths in Iraq or A-stan. Should be easy to do.



posted on Aug, 10 2010 @ 08:39 AM
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Originally posted by Danbones
How do we know the facts are true, or even accurate?

Wouldn't Carters national security Adviser Zbigniew Brzezinski be responsible, he created the Taliban?
Just like the US has admittedly been responsible for installing Mao, Pol Pot, Noriega, the shaw of Iran, Saddam Hussein and supported Stalin.
There's a couple hundred million dead.
Good point, we don't know the facts for certain about this incident, but Sharia Law does allow for this sort of thing to happen. In fact, it prescribes it.

The Taliban as far as the name goes, came into use in 1994, well after the Carter Administration, so Brzezinski did not create them.

The Pashtun tribemen that actually make up the Taliban have fought invaders for years. Alexander the Great could not defeat them, neither could the British, Russians and now the US.

When did the US 'admit to' installing Mao, Pol Pot, Noriega, the Shah of Iran or Saddam Hussein? We have obviously supported some of those on the list, not including Mao or Pol Pot.

As far as US support of Stalin goes, we were allied with the Soviet Union during PART of WWII. That would be the part after Germany invaded the Soviet Union in 1941. Prior to that, the Soviet Union and Germany had signed a non-aggression pact in 1939, so they were 'buddies', actually the Soviets invaded Poland at the same time as Germany on Sept 1st, 1939 and split the land with them.

The support we lent to Stalin was in the form of the Lend-Lease Act, to provide him with war materials to help us defeat Germany.

Immediately after WWII, Stalin drew the 'Iron Curtain' and we fought the Cold War with him until his death.

As far as the millions that Stalin killed, most of them were killed during the Great Purge well before WWII, when he had ZERO support from the US.



posted on Aug, 10 2010 @ 08:54 AM
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Originally posted by Danbones
reply to post by fooks
 

The Us sold arms to both sides but violated their agreement with the nationalists and didn't deliver the ammunition the nationalists side had paid for, which is why Mao won.
look it up.
Google is your friend...

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So I Googled it..........




With the end of the Second World War, the energies of the Communists and the KMT were no longer focused on fighting the Japanese. The 1946 breakdown of peace talks led to the resumption of hostilities, with the Soviet Union providing Mao Zedong's Communists with support, and the KMT of Chiang Kai-Shek backed by the United States. Read more: About the Chinese Communist Revolution | eHow.com www.ehow.com...





The Chinese Civil War, in which the United States aided the Nationalists with massive economic loans but no military support, became more widespread. Battles raged not only for territories but also for the allegiance of cross sections of the population. By using Manchuria as a base of supply and manpower and by accelerating the stages of Mao’s theory, Communists field commanders defeated Kuomintang forces in a series of conventional engagements in the late 1940s and established the People’s Republic of China in October 1949.


Source:



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posted on Aug, 10 2010 @ 09:00 AM
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The Taliban were created to attack the Russians and lure them into A-stan.
then the uS suplied them with sams to shoot the Russian helicopters down.
They became the RULING party in 1996 so obviously they existed before that. Then they stopped the opium production by 2001, then the were invaded.

Hey rince lather repeat, now its the US's turn. Incidentaly ZB and his son are heavily into mentoring and helping Obama.



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posted on Aug, 10 2010 @ 09:06 AM
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Originally posted by Danbones
reply to post by butcherguy
 


The Taliban were created to attack the Russians and lure them into A-stan.
then the uS suplied them with sams to shoot the Russian helicopters down.
They became the RULING party in 1996 so obviously they existed before that. Then they stopped the opium production by 2001, then the were invaded.

Hey rince lather repeat, now its the US's turn. Incidentaly ZB and his son are heavily into mentoring and helping Obama.



[edit on 10-8-2010 by Danbones]

[edit on 10-8-2010 by Danbones]
Everything I see about the Taliban has them coming into existence long after the Soviets left Afghanistan.








posted on Aug, 10 2010 @ 09:47 AM
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You are silly, are you aware how much a BDSM session cost in West and in Afghanistan it's going on free of cost. Who would wanna miss it? Damn! I'm thinking of moving to Afghanistan.

It's their (awesome) rule and regulations and if the women committed a crime as per their rule she should be punished accordingly.



posted on Aug, 10 2010 @ 10:36 AM
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200 lashes, and shot dead while pregnant.

Bet the guy bought himself out of this with a goat.

Islam is a great example of a cultural meme that says that women belong to the society - and that society is men. Men with serious control issues.



posted on Aug, 10 2010 @ 10:58 AM
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Originally posted by Aeons
200 lashes, and shot dead while pregnant.

Bet the guy bought himself out of this with a goat.

Islam is a great example of a cultural meme that says that women belong to the society - and that society is men. Men with serious control issues.


Agreed!

I don't understand where the apologists for Islam come from, so many of them say they are not Muslims. They like to quote sanitized versions of the Koran, saying that any that the opposition quote are lies!

If there is an 'Allah', what kind of entity must he be? To let the likes of this be carried out in his name!



posted on Aug, 10 2010 @ 11:16 AM
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Originally posted by Aeons
200 lashes, and shot dead while pregnant.

Bet the guy bought himself out of this with a goat.

What's wrong in bringing out goat? I don't see any problem with Jesus bringing out a sheep or heard you raising the issue of relationship between Jesus and a sheep



Islam is a great example of a cultural meme that says that women belong to the society - and that society is men. Men with serious control issues.


(Insert - Christian/ Jew) is a great example of a cultural meme that says that women belong to the society - and that society is men. Men with serious control issues.



posted on Aug, 10 2010 @ 11:30 AM
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"D-Bone", I think you may be confusing the Taliban with the mujahedeen. The Taliban didn't come into existence until around 1994-96, long after the Soviets left and the communist Afghan government fell. The majority of the Arab mujahedeen either dissolved or formed into what we now call Al Qaeda (if you believe in such a thing), while the Afghan and various Persian mujahedeen formed the Islamic State of Afghanistan. When the Taliban took over the capital, Kabul, in 1996, the Islamic State of Afghanistan formed the Northern Alliance, an umbrella organization of the various warring factions, to fight the Taliban.

Although this can't be confirmed, it is rumored that the Taliban first mobilized under Mullah Omar in 1994 for the purpose of saving two teenage girls who were abducted by a warlord and were being brutalized and raped. Omar and his fighters that totaled no more than 30, with only half of them armed, freed the girls and hung the guilty commander from the barrel of a tank.

Many scholars and investigators believe this to be the most credible story of how the Taliban emerged. They were a sight for sore eyes with many Afghans tired of the violence spun by the hellish civil war after the fall of the communist government.

The Taliban however only held Kabul at first and through vicious fighting, wound up with around 90 percent of the country, and the other 10 percent being held by the Northern Alliance. It's also important to note that the Northern Alliance was mainly, though not inclusively Shia, while the Taliban is all Sunni.

The Northern Alliance had a brilliant commander, Ahmad Shah Massoud who is thought to be one of the greatest military tacticians since Alexander the Great in the 4th century BCE. He was such a brilliant general, many western commanders study his tactics. Anyway, Massoud and his followers were such a threat to the Taliban, the Arabic mujahedeen lead by Osama Bin Laden offered to help the Taliban on their northern front. This was an offer that couldn't be turned down by Omar. It is rumored that Omar and Bin Laden had a shaky relationship and that "Al Qaeda" threatened the Taliban's rule but to the Taliban, it was an absolute necessary evil. Omar didn't like that the fact that Al Qaeda was there but he had to play ball with them.

Don't get me wrong, the only purpose Omar didn't want the Arabs there, is because they threatened his totalitarian regime.

Anyway, that was the situation in a condensed post. I hope this clears things up for people so they can have a good idea of things were in Afghanistan pre-9/11.

--airspoon




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