Originally posted by ~Lucidity
How far is far enough away?

ANYWHERE which is NOT around the WTC vincinity. What part of that did you not get?

As far as I'm concerned, because it is "land of the free" and all, people who will complain at the construction of a mosque or a community center (whatever you may call it) due to simply disliking Islam, are to be ignored!

People who complain at mosques around WTC should not be ignored since the whole idea is OFFENSIVE, rightly so due to 9/11 disaster, especially if you're going to promote the idea that Islam is a tolerant religion!

How hard can it be?

Insisting on building the mosque over there is not being tolerant, thoughtful or peacful, it is downright being uncaring for people's feelings and it DOES NOT matter if these feelings are morally unjustified in anyone's opinion as this disaster DID happen, lots of people died, and people DO NOT want to see a mosque over there.

I'm trying to keep this as simple as possible for you people to understand what I mean. Please try to understand I'm thinking this over in the most ballanced way there is and have a minimal understanding for other people's opinions.



If I was a Muslim, I would not want to see a synagouge near beirut's bombed parts that will try to change my mind about Judaism.
If I was a Jew, I would not want to see a national socialist HQ near a holocaust museum that will try to change my mind about National Socialism.
If I was a christian, I would not like to see a mosque near WTC that will try to change my mind about Islam.

Originally posted by explosivo
Just answer my simple, original question - why is it so wrong to move the project away?

I'll answer your question with one. What is so wrong with letting them build where the permits have already said they can?

Originally posted by intrepid

Originally posted by explosivo
Just answer my simple, original question - why is it so wrong to move the project away?

I'll answer your question with one. What is so wrong with letting them build where the permits have already said they can?

I don't know what is more pathetic, relying on "permits", or answering a question with a question.
The "permits" =\= the public, who is clearly the majority, who strongly oppose this project.

Putting it simply - It is wrong because the majority of New Yorkers, after 9/11 disaster, still isn't ready for something such as this to be built that near the WTC area.
The public says something like "Hey man, I'm still touchy on that 9/11 issue, please don't put up a mosque in here - do it elsewhere if you must".

And from the other side of the fence, you have people answering questions with questions while ignoring the issue of simply moving away this project. Almost as if they don't even know why this has to be built near WTC themselves.
It goes something like "Uhhh... Err... no.. Why? Umm.. The Imam has a mosque half a mile away anyway! Now answer my question.."


I have answered you in most simplicity, please do so aswell. Not with a question, but with an answer:
Why is it so wrong to move this mosque to a different location?

Bonus question: Don't you think it will solve everything if they be the thoughtful, tolerant people they claim to be and move it?





[edit on 12-8-2010 by explosivo]

Originally posted by explosivo
Why is it so wrong to move this mosque to a different location?

I know I sound like a broken record on this, and I promise I won't answer your question again since it seems my answer isn't what you want to hear, but:

It is wrong because this mosque has been in the neighborhood of the WTC site for 27 years and needs new space in that neighborhood since they have outgrown their current space.

It is wrong because the idea of the community center is to provide a community center and center for interfaith communications in the community where the imam has been active for over 27 years.

It is wrong because the local community supports the mosque; the same polls that show that most New Yorkers are against the mosque also show that more people in Manhattan support it than oppose it. I haven't seen any polls specifically measuring what percent of Tribeca residents support it, but I would lay money that it's even higher than the rest of Manhattan.

Frankly, I think most New Yorkers in general wouldn't care if the NYPost and NYDailyNews weren't whipping them into a frenzy with sensationalist headlines, misleading labels, and basic misinformation.

Originally posted by explosivo

Originally posted by intrepid
Easy. Most NY'ers don't have a problem with this.

Wrong. Most NY'ers obviously are too busy to go out and protest, but they ar surely having some very big problems with this.

Wow. Why don't you run against Bloomberg in the next election as you seem to have a pulse on the NYer's way of life? Good luck.

Originally posted by intrepid

Originally posted by explosivo
Just answer my simple, original question - why is it so wrong to move the project away?

I'll answer your question with one. What is so wrong with letting them build where the permits have already said they can?

Here is a better question: Why is a Canadian so interested in what goes on in America? It must be immensely gratifying for an armchair hero to sit back and judge a nation you don't live in.

Originally posted by black cat
Here is a better question: Why is a Canadian so interested in what goes on in America? It must be immensely gratifying for an armchair hero to sit back and judge a nation you don't live in.

Ooo, an attack. Strike me as SO SHOCKED!. Are you saying that American policy doesn't affect the world? Well guess what, the world has an opinion. I'm not an "arm chair anything". Just a studier of the world. Are you so insecure that you can't handle the heat from those outside of your small media world?

It's Americans like you that give the nation a bad name. Try rethinking that. I doubt it though. USA, USA, USA, USA...........

Edit: C'mon blackcat. Let's rumble. I'll tear you a new one on international politics, whoops, like you would know what that is.

Edit #2: Got the balls to go there? I doubt it.

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It seems people are still divided on this subject so maybe we should all just except the inevitable after all Islam is the only religion allowed to be practiced freely in America.

As I am so nice and that its being being built in New Yorks bomb site, and is going to go ahead for fear of a slap fest I leave you with some words that may get you by when the mosque its erected.

1) BURKAT HAKEEM SHARIL NOKUMDEM - TRANSLATION: SIR, THANK YOU FOR ALLOWING ME TRAVEL IN THE TRUNK OF YOUR JEEP

2) MERAKESH SURIAN FUKASTEH AKIM HAMEED SHRILA - TRANSLATION: I AM GRATEFUL FOR YOU LETTING ME KEEP MY RIGHT ARM, THANK YOU

3) GARKURS MAHAAMEEED SUKISRIA NAKIM SHRIIIMAH - TRANSLATION: OF COURSE I WOULD VOTE FOR YOU IF YOU LEAVE MY HEAD ATTACHED, DEAR HOLY MAN

4) SHADDAH YEHEW HAJII HAKIMMED SUKURAH KADISH - TRANSLATION: MY WIFE WOULD LOVE TO BUY THAT FULL BODY COVERING FOR DOUBLE THE PRICE, MANY THANKS



[edit on 13-8-2010 by sassyncute]

Originally posted by americandingbat

Originally posted by explosivo
Why is it so wrong to move this mosque to a different location?

It is wrong because this mosque has been in the neighborhood of the WTC site for 27 years and needs new space in that neighborhood since they have outgrown their current space.

Outgrown? Its not a pair of underpants. What that means is that their are too many Islamic people in that area now. Which should be discouraging to everyone else as multiculturalism should be treated like a making a nice cup of coffee.

You add a touch of milk and a touch of sugar but not enough to overpower the taste and texture of the actual coffee.

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