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"We Muslims know the Ground Zero mosque is meant to be a deliberate provocation"

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posted on Aug, 9 2010 @ 11:32 AM
According to this Muslim, there is little doubt the Ground Zero Mosque is meant to be a deliberate provocation. This is not hard for me to believe given the fact there are already 30 mosques in the Manhattan area and the reasoning for putting one on ground zero seems to be so steeped in liberal guilt. I'm not a religious person, but it seems to me if they wanted to "heal wounds", this mosque would have been a community center for all religions. Raheel Raza seems to agree with me:

There are many questions that we would like to ask. Questions about where the funding is coming from? If this mosque is being funded by Saudi sources, then it is an even bigger slap in the face of Americans, as nine of the jihadis in the Twin Tower calamity were Saudis.

If Rauf is serious about building bridges, then he could have dedicated space in this so-called community centre to a church and synagogue, but he did not. We passed on this message to him through a mutual Saudi friend, but received no answer. He could have proposed a memorial to the 9/11 dead with a denouncement of the doctrine of armed jihad, but he chose not to.

It’s a repugnant thought that $100 million would be brought into the United States rather than be directed at dying and needy Muslims in Darfur or Pakistan.

The authors of this article seem to be concerned about where this funding is coming from. Something the MSM doesn't seem interested in. Thats a big surprise, right?

As far as motivation for the mosque goes:

The fact we Muslims know the idea behind the Ground Zero mosque is meant to be a deliberate provocation to thumb our noses at the infidel. The proposal has been made in bad faith and in Islamic parlance, such an act is referred to as “Fitna,” meaning “mischief-making” that is clearly forbidden in the Koran.

The Koran commands Muslims to, “Be considerate when you debate with the People of the Book” — i.e., Jews and Christians. Building an exclusive place of worship for Muslims at the place where Muslims killed thousands of New Yorkers is not being considerate or sensitive, it is undoubtedly an act of “fitna“.

Sure, this is America and these people have every right to build wherever they want. I'm not going to sit here and claim we should selectively follow our own Constitution.

This being said, the people of this country also have a right to express their anger about it. We also have the right to try and force the builders to reconsider. We do this by asking the very relevant questions posed by these authors. The more of these questions people ask, the more the builders of this project will expose themselves for who they are.

posted on Aug, 9 2010 @ 08:49 PM
Good find, there. I think it's very insensitive of the Islamic community to put this mosque up. I can't say as to the motives behind it, but I think that $100m could be better spent.

posted on Aug, 9 2010 @ 09:26 PM
Well, if it was or is a deliberate provocation, it's working on some levels, isn't it? Just like the attacks of 9/11 worked to turn us against our own values and principles. How one chooses to deal with things like both of these is what defines the character of a person or a nation.

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posted on Aug, 9 2010 @ 09:31 PM
Mayor Bloomberg says funding is not governments business.

"Do you really want every time they pass the basket in your church and you throw a buck in they run over and say 'okay where do you come from, who are your parents, where did you get this money?' No!" said Bloomberg.

"It's a shame that we even have to talk about this."

posted on Aug, 9 2010 @ 09:38 PM
If you want to contact him, this is the developer: Q&A with Sharif el-Gamal about Park 51, NYC, and this is the imam's profile: PUBLIC LIVES; A Muslim in the Middle Hopes Against Hope.

The arguments for and against this center are many. People are certainly entitled to their opinions. And in this country, we don't govern by opinion. Thing is, it's going to happen. Especially if there's no solid proof of the many accusations and speculations being thrown about. Today's big one, I believe, was that the imam is out of the country. So therefore he is seeking funds from terrorist organizations. Huge leaps of logic everywhere don't make for very solid arguments.

posted on Aug, 9 2010 @ 09:46 PM

Manhattan, NY - Jewish Leaders Rally In Support Of WTC Mosque

Manhattan, NY - A group of Jewish leaders has rallied today in support of the mosque near the World Trade Center.

The Shalom Center representatives say they needed to speak out after the Anti-Defamation League, a Jewish civil rights group that advocates religious freedom, criticized the Cordoba Initiative mosque and cultural center.

"We need this Islamic center to preach love and respect in contrast to those that preach hate and destruction"
said Rabbi Richard Jacobs of the Westchester Reform Temple. “Here in this place, just a few yards from horrific pain and loss, let this Islamic center be a beacon of light and hope to our aching world.

I don't really need to elaborate do I?

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posted on Aug, 10 2010 @ 12:41 AM
Oh well it is nice to hear we do have Muslims who take the feelings of non Muslims very seriously in regards to 9-11. They incurred losses in that tragedy, too, after all. That day of terror spared no one. Only time will tell if the new building will be a positive or a negative part of the city. There is simply too much misinformation floating around to be certain at this point. I do think they make a good point in that their religion would be better served if the money were applied to their poor, or if the center were truly opened to accommodate other religions. Lol, but the same could be said of any new church or synagogue or other house of worship currently under construction.

posted on Aug, 10 2010 @ 01:06 AM
reply to post by Hudson

The people who are offended by having a mosque built near the 9/11 site are same the people who continue to believe that muslims attacked us on that day and that is not the case. We will never know the real truth about what happened on that day because those within our goverment responsible for it at the time will never tell the truth.

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posted on Aug, 10 2010 @ 01:58 AM
Right now, almost a billion people on the planet don’t have access to clean, safe drinking water.

That’s one in eight of us.

and crap like this is an issue...

All this junk is meaningless and will get nobody anywhere;
but deeper into the whole we desperately need to crawl out from.

[edit on 10-8-2010 by Ahmose]

posted on Aug, 10 2010 @ 02:59 AM
reply to post by Hudson

This is interesting. I'll be back later to read this thread.

posted on Aug, 10 2010 @ 03:12 AM
reply to post by Ahmose

Well, it's more of an issue than who's in the finals for American Idol, isn't it?

Life is not a zero-sum game; stop playing like it is.

[edit on 10-8-2010 by TheWalkingFox]

posted on Aug, 10 2010 @ 03:18 AM
Good post ! And i dont agree with the Mosque being built out of principal... But who was really responsible for 911 ? I thort the book may be still open on the subject... I hope everyone has seen this vid it does open questions.

posted on Aug, 10 2010 @ 03:31 AM
It seems to me that Islam is being vilified a lot lately, Are we sure this is not a set up to turn the Christian world against Islam.?

Its clearly a provocation...........But set up by WHO ?

posted on Aug, 10 2010 @ 03:50 AM
Perhaps it is the Mosque of all those Muslims who think Islam had nothing to do with 9/11? There's a lot of them, if in fact they're not in majority?

In any case, Mahmoud Ahmadinejad, speaking publicly three days ago in Teheran, once again repeated that 9/11 was more or less a fabrication, and of course it was the 'Zionists' who was behind it. All the jews had been tipped off in advance. It's a fact, he read it on the internet.

[edit on 10-8-2010 by Heliocentric]

posted on Aug, 10 2010 @ 03:54 AM
Set up by who? Most likely an Arab source, the Saudis have been financing Islamo-expansionism since King Fahd Saud took charge in '82, everywhere from Albania to Russia and even the U.S. I'm not religious and I'm not particularly anti religious, but when clear provocation is obvious, its obvious. Its more important to examine whose ALLOWING this to go ahead than to just simply examine where the money came from.

posted on Aug, 10 2010 @ 03:57 AM
Then this was found on the net... Would this be true ? if this is happening why bother with wars / conflict / building mosques or anything apart from getting use to islamic food
they gonna be everywhere anyway... i'll stick with my pizza take out thankyou

posted on Aug, 10 2010 @ 04:15 AM
Gee, how long can how many innocent people be persecuted and slandered based off the unproven alleged acts of 19 people never charged with the crime they stand accused of.

ATS or the Salem Witch Trials?

Oh wait I forgot at least they presented evidence in a REAL courtroom against the Salem Witches.

I guess the world needs bigots and xenophobes too, how would we have so many fun wars without them? The Anti Defamation League sure showed its true colors on this one. I suppose that’s something we should all be thankful for.

posted on Aug, 10 2010 @ 04:22 AM
All the people that are goin to be like "damn, these god damn muslims are just pooring salt into the wound by building a frikin mosque right where our towers stood"

Just the reaction tptb are looking for, and its working - like it always does

Racial segregation is always on the top of the list, its the one thats always guaranteed to split the sheeple. Building one right there, where the 9/11 incedent took place, well thats is rubbing salt in the wounds, but just who is doing the rubbing?

posted on Aug, 10 2010 @ 04:23 AM

Originally posted by bjsmi2
Then this was found on the net... Would this be true ? if this is happening why bother with wars / conflict / building mosques or anything apart from getting use to islamic food
they gonna be everywhere anyway... i'll stick with my pizza take out thankyou

I would have to check the stats, but as a general tendency it sounds about right.

It's not like this is a new phenomenon. Already in the 1960's Yasser Arafat talked about the Arab woman's womb as a weapon against the enemy:

Ask any peace-loving devout Muslim who has never hurt a fly in his life if he wants to kill or commit Martyrdom in the name of Islam, and he will probably give you a 'politically correct' answer. But ask him if he believes Islam should take over the world and install the Sharia as a global model, and he will - if he's honest and straightforward - reply in the affirmative.

Different paths, same goal.

[edit on 10-8-2010 by Heliocentric]

posted on Aug, 10 2010 @ 04:26 AM
reply to post by ProtoplasmicTraveler

They actually weasled a bit by saying they thought the city or NY would be better served if an alternate location could be found but that, "... we didn’t say we were opposed to it, okay?” Link

However, that didn't stop all those opposed to it from using the ADL statement to imply/infer a very different meaning.

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