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Is the Flood in Pakistan a Military Attack?

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posted on Aug, 9 2010 @ 10:20 AM
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The flood in Pakistan has been bothering me.. Not only has it bothered me for the amount of people displaced or deceased, but it has also been bothering me in view of recent events and this so called 'war on terror' against the Taliban, who seem to be firmly entrenched in Pakistan.

There has been news about how Pakistan is suspected of keeping the Taliban safe and supplied with arms and cash, so if you were a major country at war with the Taliban, but wanted to keep global relations with Pakistan under a particular control, what would you do?


Pakistan: "The Taliban's Godfather"?

Documents Detail Years of Pakistani Support for Taliban, Extremists

Covert Policy Linked Taliban, Kashmiri Militants, Pakistan's Pashtun Troops

Aid Encouraged Pro-Taliban Sympathies in Troubled Border Region

National Security Archive Electronic Briefing Book No. 227
Edited by Barbara Elias

Posted - August 14, 2007

www.gwu.edu...



Taliban 'receives direct support from Pakistan'
Taliban fighters in southern Afghanistan receive direct support from the "S" wing of Pakistan's main intelligence agency, according to a report published on Thursday.
www.telegraph.co.uk...


Pakistan's main spy agency continues to arm and train the Taliban and is even represented on the group's leadership council despite U.S. pressure to sever ties and billions in aid to combat the militants, said a research report released Sunday.

crooksandliars.com...

It seems obvious that Pakistan is heavily involved with keeping the Taliban fighting against the UK and the US soldiers.. Why is another question, but here I am trying to focus on the flooding.

So as to stop any outrage and a bigger war by other countries, Pakistan has not been directly attacked by US or UK armies, but is there another method of attack?

Is it the control of the weather?

For example;

Rain-making lasers could trigger showers on demand
Lasers that stimulate condensation may help to induce rain artificially.

www.scientificamerican.com...


A few years ago scientists were surprised by the sight of two planes carving a hole through a cloud—which then began spewing snow.

A new study spawned by the accidental discovery solves the mystery behind so-called hole-punch clouds and explains how airplanes can change the weather, at least on an extremely local level.

Scientists have studied hole-punch clouds since the 1940s and have long suspected that planes play a role in their formation. pictures of potentialy new clouds

news.nationalgeographic.com...

But this link sheds a new bit of light onto exactly what I am trying to aim at and please note that if you visit this link you will see that the portion I make in bold is actually in RED on the site... The site this report appears on is quite an eye opener too.. Pakistan Defence

BEIJING - Chinese weather specialists used chemicals to engineer Beijing's heaviest rainfall of the year, helping to relieve drought and rinse dust from China's capital, the official Xinhua News Agency reported Friday.


Technicians with the Beijing Weather Modification Office fired seven rocket shells containing 163 cigarette-size sticks of silver iodide over the city's skies on Thursday, Xinhua said.

forum.pakistanidefence.com...

Pakistan Defence!!! Why would there be such a report on a defence web site, unless they knew they were being deliberately foccused on for an atmospheric attack instead of a militaristic 'hardware' approach?

The plot has thickened...


Waters have exceeded the danger level at a key flood barrier in Pakistan's southern province of Sindh.

The Sukkur Barrage flooding means Sindh faces as much devastation as that seen further north in Khyber Pakhtunkhwa and Punjab provinces, say experts.

Enraged survivors have been physically attacking government officials in flood-hit areas, amid widespread anger at the pace of the relief effort.

At least 1,600 people have died in the region's worst deluge in 80 years.

With more than 14 million people already affected, the monsoon rains show little sign of abating.

www.bbc.co.uk...
It would seem that the rains are now way out of control and show little sign of backing off... But, perhaps, it is all deliberate.. A deliberate attack to destroy a country "naturally" in order to hide all blame of 'finger pointing'...

So now you've got this weather foccused and localised on an area and you've destroyed most of the infrastructure, just how do you stop it so it does not cause more damage than you need?

Well, we have already seen some evidence of this with the Beijing Olympics, once again...

GAMES organisers fired 1104 rain dispersal rockets to stop it raining on Beijing's coming out parade.

Chinese authorities have confirmed that in the country's biggest ever "rain dispersal", government "weather changers" began firing rockets into Beijing's blanket of clouds four hours before the Opening Ceremony.

www.dailytelegraph.com.au...

But, is there also another way? A way that not only appears to be partly nautral, but also avoids blame yet again.. Smoke may be the trick..
Let's have a look at the current fires in Russia;

Smoke from Russian fires blankets Moscow

Landmarks reduced to outlines in thick pollution and visibility down to 50 metres in some areas

www.guardian.co.uk...


Russia has mobilised almost 250,000 people to fight the wildfires in the country, as soaring temperatures and high winds continue to fan the flames.

President Dmitry Medvedev has described the situation as a "natural disaster of the kind that probably only happens every 30 or 40 years".

www.bbc.co.uk...


The scale of the damage caused by recent forest fires in Russia's Far East amounts to a world-wide ecological disaster, a United Nations team has said.

The Russian news agency, Itar-Tass, said the team was shocked by the destruction it saw on the island of Sakhalin and the vast region of Khabarovsk near the border with China.

news.bbc.co.uk...

Note: ..near the border with China

And was it not China who used a method to prevent rain?
Could it be that China is actually involved in this possible 'natural' attack on Pakistan? Could it be that China has been firing thousands of these 'rain dispersing' rounds into the air to dry out an area so much that a forest fire is inevitable?

And just what can smoke from a forest fire do?

Smoke from forest fires reduces rainfall and spells trouble for the Amazon rainforest
April 14, 2005
Recent studies by NASA scientists have found that heavy smoke from Amazon forest fires inhibits cloud formation and reduces rainfall. This finding, combined with other NASA studies suggesting that deforestation can affect regional climate, means that the Amazon rainforest may be on the verge of a significant environmental transformation.

news.mongabay.com...

Are we actually witnessing a new form of attack on a country that nobody dares attack due to its nuclear defences?
Is Pakistan aware of this method of attack but are completely unable to retaliate or prove that this method is being used.
This will obviously tie up much of Pakistans resources, destroy much of its farmland and factories and general output and reduce its financial capability by years.

Meanwhile, someone, somewhere, is laughing their head off....

Your thoughts?



[edit on 9-8-2010 by Extralien]




posted on Aug, 9 2010 @ 10:29 AM
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Yes it is an attack on them. We flew planes overhead and dropped millions of tons of water and we had HAARP direct a storm that caused floods.



posted on Aug, 9 2010 @ 10:30 AM
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I'd like to know where you got that kind of info from?

I'm kinda glad I actually tried to get some form of evidence to back up my ideas about how this is all going on



posted on Aug, 9 2010 @ 10:34 AM
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I believe if the US did have weapons that could control the weather in such a way, they would have no qualms in using it. Whether that technology exists, to such a degree where it can reek the sort of weather conditions we see in Pakistan and Russia, i doubt.

What we are seeing in my opinion is the effects of global warming and we will see more freak weather conditions in the future.



posted on Aug, 9 2010 @ 10:43 AM
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It may not be the US that is doing this, but that is not to say that they don't have a hand in this somewhere.

If China have the ability to create rain and prevent it, then it may be possible that this is being used...by whom is another matter.

It might be possible that someone is using a lot of rain prevention in order to dry out the forests in Russia so as to eliminate the rains in Pakistan at a set time..

This could all be a well planned operation to ensure that the rains do not go way beyond the time that is/was needed to flood Pakistan.



posted on Aug, 9 2010 @ 10:47 AM
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And would you believe it... This was posted whilst I was still writing this thread..

Devastating floods in Pakistan and Russia's heat wave match projected trends of ever more extremes caused by global warming even though it is impossible to blame mankind for single severe weather events, scientists said.

www.abovetopsecret.com...

I like the way that they mention 'global warming' yet also say it is impossible to blame us for single events.

IMO, these events which tie these areas in are a bit too much of a coincidence.



posted on Aug, 9 2010 @ 10:47 AM
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I see where you are coming from but there is lot of flooding elsewhere in the region as well. India and china have had some heavy rain and it is Monsoon season in parts.I think this is all part of the big picture with a lot of unusual weather events around the globe.I give the credit to mother nature and not to the U.S.



posted on Aug, 9 2010 @ 10:57 AM
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I just find it odd how Pakistan has been hit in such a way.
We've all heard about chemtrails and the Beijing Olympics weather being controlled, so why not use it as a method of attack...You don't want any nukes coming your way if you got caught.

It is espionage on a massive scale but making it look natural.

Of course it is going to trickle over into other areas. Controlling nature has been something I have been hearing about since i was a kid. Even in the 2000AD comic books from the 1970's, Mega City 1 had a weather control system. This type of warfare is in its infancy as far as it goes as a method of attack. We know we can't make nature do all that we hope, but it might be that someone is having a damned good try.



posted on Aug, 9 2010 @ 11:02 AM
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It doesn't help that all countries are ripping up forests and altering river flows.

Sometimes man causes the problems by altering the lay of the land..
I've seen it in Malaysia where normal rains flooded a whole town thanks to man clearing all the nearby hills ready to plant palm trees for oil...



posted on Aug, 9 2010 @ 11:07 AM
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Yes I agree on that too. We do have a lot to answer for regards our environment. But it is difficult to say that these events in Pakistan and Russia are actually connected to so called man made global warming.

This seems to be more of a localised attack rather than sporadic outbreaks of great floods and fires on a global scale.

This thread just gone up recently too about the fires in Russia;

"From the moment of the foundation of our country, we can say, in the last period of 1,000 years, no similar heatwave has been observed neither by ourselves nor by our ancestors," said Alexander Frolov on Monday.

"This is a completely unique phenomenon. There are no observations of this in the archives," he told a televised news conference.

www.abovetopsecret.com...



posted on Aug, 9 2010 @ 11:15 AM
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I am trying to believe it,but i dont see them having that sort of power,it's basically saying the U.S has become In charge of World with the power of the gods and what of other mass flood events like Bangladesh who are constantly getting huge flood events not that far from Pakistan.I cant see how turning Pakistan into a quagmire would help fight the Taliban,It would only make civilians suffer ,possibly lose everything and then turn to fighting as they have nothing to lose,or head to higher ground in the North.



posted on Aug, 9 2010 @ 11:30 AM
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It's not about the citizens though. It's about stopping those in control of Pakistan who are helping the Taliban.

This could be a covert operation (which has been shown to very possibly work by the methods used for the Beijing Olympics or by the use of chemtrails etc.) to destroy the economy of Pakistan.

Rather than do an all out strike agains Pakistan for its "terrorist" connections, you've gotta handle it in a different way. Was it not said that anyone connected to "terrorism" will be hunted down? Was there not a war started against all those who harbour terrorists?

Pakistan has nukes, so you really don't want them flying your way after an obvious military strike.. IF the fires in Russia are also a part of this in order to control the final outcome of the rains (ie, the smoke prevents further rainfall), then you've got a double attack going on with no backlash.

You get to strike your intended target but also strike someone you've wanted to slap for a long time..

This is why i put this in the skunk works.. It was an idea that came to mind after all these years of political nonsense that has been going on and all that we read about here on ATS.. It kinda makes sense, proving it is another thing.. yet it does seem highly possible that this is actually what is going on..



posted on Aug, 9 2010 @ 11:39 AM
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Check the thread that this post is in;


OMG,
that RT video said that there were over 850
different fires raging. That is almost impossible
to be done naturally.

I believe this to be an attack on Russia !!!

www.abovetopsecret.com...



posted on Aug, 9 2010 @ 11:45 AM
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I agree that what you are saying is possible,but as you say Its near impossible to prove, the same as me saying its a natural weather cycle is also hard to prove but there is a lot more data supporting natural causes.As for the quotes about terror ,i see them as nothing more than part of the early fear campaign that was so successful.Either way Its going to get interesting!



posted on Aug, 9 2010 @ 12:02 PM
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One striking post on one particular website makes me wonder that this is all, in fact, correct..

And that is the website that is called Pakistanidefence.com
As i posted in the opening post, here is the link again.
forum.pakistanidefence.com...

It claims to be for Pkistani military personnel, yet how official it is I am yet to look into, which I'm doing right now..

This stands out as a major point towards someone KNOWING that there is such an attack under way.. and is most probably aimed at Russia too.



posted on Aug, 9 2010 @ 01:30 PM
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Wow.. people thinking the summer Monsoonal rains of the Asian subcontinent are a weather weapons and that a large number of summertime wildfires in a country the size are Russia, must be man made



posted on Aug, 9 2010 @ 02:03 PM
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I knew the H word would be dropped.
Harmonica, no HAARP the do nothing Illuminati construction in
operation by anti Tesla agents.
The only rain maker was William Reich and the FDA or some government
agency took his Tesla wave tubes away.
Most likely after downing a saucer and talking to Einstein about it.



posted on Aug, 9 2010 @ 02:28 PM
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Yeah, I was kinda dissapointed that HAARP was mentioned seeing as I gave enough links to how the Chinese controlled the weather.

We have to take into consideration any and all recent events. One of the major events that we are not really discussing anywhere, as such, is how China is now a superpower and has a big control over the stock markets of the world, especially as a lot of countries buy a lot of product made in China. We see the evidence for this in almost every shop, including sweets (candy).

It does make me ask questions when it comes to weather control. We know they wanted to get rid of the smog for the games and also to ensure good weather, but was this all just a test of a device for military purposes.

I can imagine that this would be a lot cheaper than HAARP powering up to create some earthquake or whatever..

We're all aware of the dodgy back door deals that ALL the governments are involved in.



posted on Aug, 9 2010 @ 02:54 PM
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China has a great hydro power dam in the works and even taking
oxygen out of the air to help in metal production.
China has mines in Afghanistan.
So China does not want the rain to bust any of their dams.
Afghanistan doesn't seem to get much rain anyway.
So dumping on Pakistan might be the appropriate thing to do.
Either on purpose or just the nature of things.

The China acceptance of manufacturing for WalMart and others
has perhaps helped getting hydro electric power technology from
the illuminati holders like GE but I do not know who they are.
One gas technology company spun off a Israel and a China division
so looks like they might get as smart as Tesla some day.

In WWII, the Foo craft was reported over the China Sea.
Were they from China or Japan or fast trip from Germany.
Since then its been down to earth technology sold world wide
and anything more powerful has never been disclosed.



posted on Aug, 9 2010 @ 03:10 PM
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This is scary. Something is happening. All these events that are all happening this year. I can bet its going to get exponentially busier. Whether this is being acted out for someones amusement, or it is actually divine pest control, it is history repeating itself.

I feel bad for all the innocent people who are caught up in this sick game. Most people just want to live their lives doing best for themselves and friends and family. Its really only a minority of people who are corrupt and dangerous.



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