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posted on Aug, 9 2010 @ 12:36 PM
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Jeez does this topic ever get OLD??? Honestly I wish some of the incredible things I hear about us were true because it would sure liven up the business meetings a lil bit lol..

Bro. Sims
Unity Lodge #28 Detroit, Michigan
F&AM PHA




posted on Aug, 9 2010 @ 01:09 PM
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You didn't present a single argument, you did however ridicule the people that have a different opinion that you.

Very enlightened of you brother, I can feel the love of brotherhood you are trying to spread here on the forums!



posted on Aug, 9 2010 @ 01:43 PM
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What did the freemason say to the other freemason?

"Sup, G?"

What else did he say?

"I'll tell you later.... it's a secret."



posted on Aug, 9 2010 @ 02:09 PM
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Though I cannot speak from direct experience as I am not a freemason, my father was. My only knowledge is from a light brushing of the works of Manly P. Hall.

I learned most of the tale when I was a bit older of how when I was a child he had been at the 32nd degree, preparing for initiation into the 33rd. It was at this time that he discovered something that disturbed him greatly, and he then walked away from the organization.

When he was demoted from a managerial position at work because of this, he refused to talk about the organization.

Sitting around many a campfire in the middle of the Piny Woods, in the Davey Crockett National Forest, I would ask - and still he would refuse to talk about it.

One time though, after I was old enough to drink, at just such a campfire, just my father and myself with no one else around for miles we were sharing a bottle of glenfiddich. I asked for what will most likely be the last time if he would please tell me anything about his time with the freemasons.

The look on his face said he was mortified, terrified, and angry all at the same time.
He said to me "Never ask me about that again". After a long moments pause though, he said this which will haunt me till the day I die:

"Son, if anything ever happens to me, or if you find yourself in fear for your life - go into the most public place you can find, and yell 'Who will help the Widow's Son?' "

The little research I have done over the years since that night has been focused on discovering the significance of this rite, however I suspect it to be nothing much more than a universal distress call.



posted on Aug, 9 2010 @ 02:54 PM
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Ah Via Masonicon!



What do you suppose these secrets might be
That those masonic bastards are keeping from me?

They walk around town with their smug smiles;
I see a damn lodge every four miles!

I decided to ask three masons their secrets to tell!
Then I would have the power and they could go to hell!

The first one I stopped with a right firm shove
"What is your aim?", he said "Brotherly Love!"

What the second one said was beyond belief!
I don't know what it means, but he said, "RELIEF!"

The third I punched so hard he lost a tooth
but he grinned with his gap and said, "We seek only Truth!"

I was so angry I wanted to choke out their breath!
"We shall see," I thought, "If they fear their own death!"

The first one I found, and boy was I hot!
"Give me the secrets!" but he said, "I SHALL NOT."

The second didn't budge even when I said he'd be shot;
Even facing sure death he cried, "I WILL NOT."

The third was the most defiant of all
I grabbed his shirt and raised my stone maul!

"Don't think of refusing! You'd better not!"
With a calm disposition he said, "I can not."

Shaking with anger and at my wits end
I fell to the ground, but he said, "My friend..."

"You seek handshakes, silly words and shiny rings
but Masonry's not about any of these things.

There is a secret we have but cannot share
no matter the time, not here and not there;

But it's not for the reason you might surmise -
when you figure it out it's quite a surprise!"

The first and the second spoke up as well,
explaining the secret is not something you tell.

"It's an experience you seek and desire,
a journey through Life until you Retire;

It's not in a book or a scroll upon some shelf
To know you must learn about it yourself.

You don't need us Masons to figure it out
We'd love to tell the whole world with a shout!"

So I started a journey down the road less taken
and when I finally learned it I was quite shaken!

"That was hard!" I thought, but it could have been worse!
I learned I am One with the whole Universe!

So now if you see me on the street with a smile
Come sit with me and let's talk for a while

I'll tell you about a great Secret I can't transmit
and the wonderful journey that led me to It. :-)


- by the artist formerly known as emsed1



posted on Aug, 9 2010 @ 03:26 PM
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That is an true and beautiful story.
Thank you for sharing that.



posted on Aug, 9 2010 @ 03:31 PM
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A beautiful poem no doubt. I must admit on more than one occasion i have pondered seeking admittance into this order, as it has been difficult in finding the teachings of the thrice great Hermes, and I believe they carry on the traditions and knowledge. Though I suppose there's only one way to find out.



posted on Aug, 9 2010 @ 04:17 PM
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Both this and your previous post started to give me a headache, so I didn't read all of them. COMMAS! PERIODS! LEARN AND USE PROPER SYNTAX!



posted on Aug, 9 2010 @ 05:12 PM
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Originally posted by Schrödinger
reply to post by alvarez313
 


You didn't present a single argument, you did however ridicule the people that have a different opinion that you.

Very enlightened of you brother, I can feel the love of brotherhood you are trying to spread here on the forums!


Relax.. I didn't ridicule anyone first of all. And what am I supposed to present an argument about? It's not my duty as a mason to convince anyone outside of the Craft that we are not doing the asinine things that are spouted out regarding us. Profanes are going to believe what they want regardless. I notice that whenever their silly "evidence" is thwarted they immediately go to "well only higher levels know the true secrets" etc. So instead of wasting time with that I choose to find humor in the situation. If you don't care for my take on it that's fine, it's a free country so you're granted that right.... So mote it be!



posted on Aug, 9 2010 @ 05:45 PM
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Originally posted by alvarez313
Jeez does this topic ever get OLD??? Honestly I wish some of the incredible things I hear about us were true because it would sure liven up the business meetings a lil bit lol..

Bro. Sims
Unity Lodge #28 Detroit, Michigan
F&AM PHA


You apparently do not know what you are writing, so I will help you:
Now since I am the vocal anti in this discussion, I can assume you are talking about me.

In your words I am; repetitive, unbelievable, worked-up, extremely foolish, spouting, unholy, presenting foolish evidence, time-waster, funny ( and I take that as you are laughing at me, and not with me, since I am definitely not laughing)

You are so used to ridiculing your opposition that you are not even aware of the fact that it is all you do. Both your post is just filled to the brink with subtle and not so subtle personal attacks!

And yet you claim, that this is not what you are doing!

So mote it be?

Are you praying now?

Now instead of assuming that I am just presenting "oh the same old drivel" try reading what it was I was writing.

[edit on 9-8-2010 by Schrödinger]



posted on Aug, 9 2010 @ 06:44 PM
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I'm sure there are good masons and bad masons. The ones that have been implicated in serious criminal activity have been 'clandestine' lodges (by my understanding, a lodge that is sort of seperate from the others). Here is the only thing I've heard from a secondhand source about a mason: My friends grandfather was a mason (I have no idea what rite, degree, etc. I was younger at the time and quite frankly knew nothing about masonry). They said he had allowed them to look at a very old book when they were little kids that showed precise measurements of many ancient buildings, including the pyramids. Thats all I've heard from a personal source.
But really, masons did help to start this country, and it seems like a better idea than a monarchy or dictatorship. A country founded on freedom and rights of the people as opposed to a repressive state ruled by royals and religious leaders.



posted on Aug, 9 2010 @ 07:07 PM
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I don't care how many freemasons stand up and talk till they are blue in the face about how they don't do this or that or believe this or that and all the evil stuff said about them is bull. bla bla bla They can prove nothing.

Each freemason only has one story. Their own personal truth.

As large as the freemason movement is no freemason can tell me there does not exist a faction of freemasons that are in fact evil, that don't worship Satan or have secret codes and agendas.

Every large organization has these people and these things. I know of baptist churches, companies, governments that have these.

So you have been a mason for 10 years an have never seen it in your humble lodge. So what? That does not mean these things do not exist and the ones who are doing these things aren't talking and wouldn't tell you anyway. This cannot be denied. It is simply the truth of how things are.

So no freemason has the right to claim that the things researchers have uncovered is not true.

If a freemason does that they are full of bull and that would be just like an American citizen claiming the American government never did anything wrong.

No freemason can ever tell me these things cannot possibly happen in their society because of the rules they have for their members. People are human, people will do as they please and manipulate yes even other freemason members as they please for greed money or power.

So yes, all the evil bad things spoken of about freemasonry Can and Do happen.



Btw.. whats the difference between a mason and a freemason.. what makes a mason free?



posted on Aug, 9 2010 @ 07:36 PM
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Yep you got it buddy! I realy dont know if your rant deserves a response besides i am one of those top seceret high level masons that control the world



posted on Aug, 9 2010 @ 08:37 PM
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My father in law is a mason and he is one shady dude well as far as I'm concerned he has no tolerance or charity.



posted on Aug, 9 2010 @ 09:23 PM
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Originally posted by devinthadude
My father in law is a mason and he is one shady dude well as far as I'm concerned he has no tolerance or charity.


dude, you are porking his daughter.

give him a bit of leeway.



posted on Aug, 9 2010 @ 09:24 PM
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Well I guess he gave something up for charity



posted on Aug, 9 2010 @ 09:27 PM
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ok well then feel free to make a hasty exit! ty



posted on Aug, 9 2010 @ 09:38 PM
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the fact of the matter is that in any group there are bound to be bad people what im trying to shed light on is which one has more power here the ones that say they are seeking truth and spreading brotherly love or the ones who claim to be but are hiding there true purpose ive read most of the posts but no one says anything that i have not already seen or read you are not privy to this information, and i wonder if they seek to spread love and understanding why not share there information with the world to create such love they claim to try and spread why keep these things secret if they can help humanity it seems like they are blackmailing humanity for peace and understanding.



posted on Aug, 9 2010 @ 09:54 PM
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One must come of there own free will to become a Freemason, I couldnt solicit membership by recruiting in the way other organizations go about doing so. Although Masonry is advertized by its members everyday as they spread brotherly love, and promote and do good works to build the community. In doing so others of like mind may be curious to investigate and find out for themselves what Freemasonry is about and seek about joining a lodge. There is no seceret that will explain what your looking for, the seceret is within you, and through Freemasonry you can gain insight to becoming a better man and citizen to your community.



posted on Aug, 9 2010 @ 09:56 PM
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why not help everyone do this why is this only for members to keep everyone in the dark and not allow the masses to understand themselves




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