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Originally posted by Three_moons
One word & one line: Perception
Originally posted by mr-lizard
Originally posted by Azrael Falls
Prove me wrong by running headfirst into a tree with your eyes closed and believing it won't hurt you... Go !
But you're not at that level yet. You'd have to drop all fear and raise your frequency and then you could feel the moisture in the tree.(There's more to it than that.) The Matrix isn't real, but we make it so. Do we really need all those symbols bombarding us every second? Why do we need them?
And this whole MATRIX nonsense, is mistranslation and pseudo-science. I'm sorry but to say that our parents and children are nothing but the figments of our projected imagination is nonsense. This whole reality is an illusion is churned out on ATS by pseudo-religious and faux-spiritualists too often. Prove me wrong by running headfirst into a tree with your eyes closed and believing it won't hurt you... Go !
Originally posted by dominicus
The actual Matrix movie written and created by the Wachowski brothers stemmed from their love of eastern philosophy, buddhism, gnosticism, and especially Advaita Vedanta (end of the vedas)
The investigation also stated that ‘credible witnesses employed at Warner Brothers came forward, claiming that the executives and lawyers had full knowledge that the work in question did not belong to the Wachowski Brothers.’ These witnesses claimed to have seen Stewart’s original work and that it had been ‘often used during preparation of the motion pictures.’ The defendants tried, on several occasions, to have Stewart’s case dismissed, without success”.
The Matrix & Terminator movie franchises have made world history and have ultimately changed the way people view movies and how Hollywood does business, yet the real truth about the creator and creation of these films continue to elude the masses because the hidden secret of the matter is that these films were created and written by a Black woman
Another case of the corporations believing they can do anything they want without repurcussions. In the end though she won her court battle
LOL, seriously who are you?
You postulate that this reality isn't a matrix and you are up against thousands of years of genuises such as socrates, plato, empodecles, buddhism, advaita vendanta, the vedas, individuals who have comtemplated existence fr decades ....and we're supposed to believe you ...HA!!! Laughable.....
I have studied the matrix theory Intensely for hours on end daily for the last decade and your statement is not only a farce but also part of the matrix. I'll give you a million bucks to prove me wrong and it has nothing to do with being in pain after hitting a tree. "tree", "hitting", and "pain" are all part of the illusion
So because early philosophers, esoteric teachers and buddhist thinkers believe that reality isn't real, you automatically laugh in the face of the opposition. Despite the Buddhist ideal of 'challenging everything' ...
I too believe EVERYTHING is a matter of vibrating matter, but to say that vibrating matter does not exist is laughable.
I can understand how you consider touch and sense an illusion, but the simple fact is.... We CAN touch, feel, smell, see and hear and react to exterior stimulus.
If a tree falls in the woods does it make a sound if nobody is around? No it doesn't.... because the displaced air does not send vibrations to the tiny tiny nerves and bones of the experiencer..... BUT it still DOES cause displaced air.
Then again, if pain is an illusion, you will prove me wrong by running head first into a tree. Either put your money where your mouth is and rise to my challenge of proving your hours and hours of daily research OR back down.
"And those whose hearts are fixed on Reality itself deserve the title of Philosophers. (Plato, Republic)"
Vibrating matter is just one perspective. If you study what happens to Atoms in Bose-Einstein condensate ...the closer they moved atoms to absolute zero freezing point ...the more the atoms changed, from atoms, to strings, then into an omnipresence ......an omnipresence with no vibration.
There is no one doing the touching, smelling, seeing, hearing .... you only "think" there is and thoughts are not the actual. Thoughts are illusion. The mind thinking and labeling is the projector of the illusion. You yourself don't even exist, you are just a thought that thinks that you exist ...find out where the thought 'I' or 'I am' comes from and you will see there is nothing there that you can find.
These are all just labels, ideas, concepts .....none of them are the actual ..they are just illusuory representations of the actual.
Just look at those who said that they broke free from the Illusion, i.e. Christ, Buddha, certain saints. They could walk thru walls, on water, float, etc ...this is just the natural outcome of breaking free from the Matrix. I'm not there yet ....but I have glimpsed this "free of the matrix state" hundreds of times already and know that it is absolute truth and that it is "there" underlying the matrix. The only way to experience that is to relinquish your identity ...relinquish the projector of the matrix.....
If you study Plato you will find that some say he is a watered down version of Socrates ....Plato got most of his teachings from Socrates who taught that it is all illusion and that any stance you take can be destroyed ...leaving you with a no stance ...and in that no stance, that chaos ...that is when the matrix falls and the real is seen.
I understand what you are saying... That thoughts are nothing more than electrical impulses on organic matter, which in turn are constructed of cells and are nothing more than chemical events blah blah, BUT you are looking too far inwards, too far to nothingness, the reason you and all the greatest minds can't find the answers is because the further you deconstruct something, the further our current state of understanding fails to see anything.
But you're simply parroting stuff now. You have to admit that molecules exist for them to exist within the theory of string theory etc , so therefore build outwards, NOT inwards. If you build from the foundations outwards, then you'll realise that these concepts and labels and ideas HAVE to exist, have to have purpose and meaning and substance. Because they DO exist.
The greatest part of our evolution is to grow, nothing grows inwards, living beings do not deconstruct themselves.... Nature grows and blooms and strives for the stars (plants, trees, birds etc)...
Then do it. You're the expert. You're the one who thinks that experiences are illusions. So i'll say it again. Run head first into a tree, or drop a rock on yourself and then tell me it/you doesn't exist.
I know. Including your own.
Originally posted by dominicus
This is why monks and certain Individuals go into caves for decades ..they drop all labels, mind stuff and break free from the matrix ...but breaking free means that you are no more ...personality no more, individuality no more, ....the cost to find the absolute truth is yourself.