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Originally posted by jam321
you can't put dead people on trial.
Originally posted by Faiol
you are right
these wars are a joke
terrorists doesnt exist
Originally posted by byteshertz
I know this has all been said before and I am sorry for dragging you all through it again but something is not sticking in the minds of some people. I am all for having your own opinions but they should at least have a basis of fact. I have nothing against American people and love you all like brothers and sisters but I direct this squarly at the American public in general because you are the one's that can make a difference, you are the one's not taking action and you are the one's that don't know the facts - so I am going to put 3 key areas of fact below that you need to get through your head before you continue to embarrass yourself and frustrate the rest of the world (it's like talking to people from the movie idiocracy)
To those American's that do know the fact's I am sure you are as frustrated by this as I am and I appologise for the blanket comments.
The Afghanistan war:
•Initial reason for invasion: Response to the September 11, 2001 attacks on the US.
•Aim: was to find Osama bin Laden and put him on trial along with other Al-Qaeda members. Another aim was to end Al-Qaeda as an entity and remove the Taliban regime in Afghanistan which harboured the terrorist organisation and supported them.
•Result: After 10 years Osama has not been found and the number of "terrorists" groups have increased since occupation. The war continues.
- Your COUNTRY attacked another COUNTRY because a group of PEOPLE in that country were the ones your government claimed attacked you. How will you know when you have won the war? How many lives are you willing to take to stop this group of people?
The Iraq war:
•Initial reason for invasion: The United States and the United Kingdom claimed that Iraq's alleged possession of weapons of mass destruction (WMD) posed a threat to their security and that of their coalition/regional allies. After investigation following the invasion, the U.S.-led Iraq Survey Group concluded that Iraq had ended its nuclear, chemical, and biological programs in 1991 and had no active programs at the time of the invasion.
•Aim: stop Saddam Hussein from obtaining weapons of mass destruction
•Result: Although some degraded remnants of misplaced or abandoned chemical weapons from before 1991 were found, they were not the weapons which had been the main argument to justify the invasion. A U.S.-led Iraq Survey Group concluded that Iraq had ended its nuclear, chemical, and biological programs in 1991. Saddam Hussein is executed by the new governement. The war continues.
- Why are you still in this country? Did you stop to think maybe they do not want the peace and democracy your country is trying to force upon them?
DO YOU SEE ANY WAY YOUR COUNTRIES GOALS CAN BE ACHIEVED THROUGH WAR WITH EITHER OF THESE COUNTRIES?
And lastly before this word comes up a million times...
• Terrorist: a radical who employs terror (panic) as a political weapon
- Thats right! nothing to do with nationality, groups or weapons. It is a label that can be used by someone to label someone else without any evidence so IT MEANS NOTHING!
IT IS ONE LEVEL OF STUPID TO JUSTIFY STARTING THESE WARS BUT IT IS ANOTHER LEVEL OF STUPID TO STILL JUSTIFY THEM APPROACHING 10 YEARS ON WHEN THE INITIAL REASON FOR WAR IS NO LONGER VALID
Edit to fix format - apologise for spelling to tired to edit.
[edit on 8-8-2010 by byteshertz]
Originally posted by Faiol
but, how many of these insurgents are really terrorists and how many of these are parents fighting for revenge or for the lives of their families?
Originally posted by sdcigarpig
There is a slight problem to your past. Iraq and Afganistan are like Vietnam and Korea, they are policing actions, not official wars. For it to be a war, and I will never understand why the congress did not do this, but for this to be a war, there has to be a declaration of war by the US Congress. Congress never really authorized or declared war on either country.
Originally posted by muzzleflash
You are totally wrong about the reasoning for war.
Reasons for War : Money and Power
In order to keep the $$$ flowing and the power growing, the wars must go on.
When it ends in those nations, the war will move to other nations.
How come you haven't figured this out yet?
The wars will not end until mankind can overcome it's lust for power and money.