Anti-gay homophobes - what country would you choose?

reply to post by Nofoolishness

No offense, and I'm sure you're straight as an arrow (and think about intercourse with women a lot), but first you say you don't find men "sexually attractive", but then:

Quit bringing up that 'spectrum' bullcrap too. I can look at a man and think he is attractive. that does not mean i want to have sexual intercourse with him.

I agree, if a man finds a man attractive that's his right as a man, and we don't need no sissy bs theories to explain it!




[edit on 9-8-2010 by halfoldman]

You are simply wrong, all evidence support that we are bi-sexual to some extend! And that it is society that provides us with the norm of monogamous heterosexuality!

Do I consider myself by-sexual? To some extend yes.
Am I sexually attracted to other males? No, I am not!
Do I love other males? Yes, I do, my father, brothers and sons!
Can I see that another male is attractive? I surely can, that does not make me want to have sex with them however.

What is sex?
Is sex only the insertion of ones genital into another's orifice? No it is surely not.
There are many types of sex, and I would even go as far to say that, when I nurture my baby son. (changing dippers and what that includes) he sometimes get a erection, I am having a form of sex with my own son.
Do I get pleasure from this nurturing? I surely do! Does he get pleasure from this nurturing? He sure does! Do I get sexually aroused from nurturing my son? No not the slightest! Does he get sexually aroused from me nurturing him? Well, I cannot be sure, but it sure looks that way to me.

Does that make me or my son homosexuals? I am pretty sure it doesn't!


EDIT: Added a sentence to emphasize


[edit on 9-8-2010 by Schrödinger]

Originally posted by Schrödinger
reply to post by Annee

 

You are not helping the homosexuals cause, with statements like that, you only serve to divide people instead of uniting them!

You haven't made a single refutation or counterargument, instead you have just chosen to use ad hominem attacks.

I have explained pretty clearly where my objections are.

Stop flaunting your political, religious and sexual orientation in public!
It belongs inside the four walls of your private home!

While I agree, that we have way more social equality and rights for minorities over here, we are now starting to see the dark side of this!
This is what I call the minority dictatorship or majority discrimination.

great analysis

Originally posted by halfoldman
reply to post by Nofoolishness

 

No offense, and I'm sure you're straight as an arrow (and think about intercourse with women a lot), but first you say you don't find men "sexually attractive", but then:

Quit bringing up that 'spectrum' bullcrap too. I can look at a man and think he is attractive. that does not mean i want to have sexual intercourse with him.

I agree, if a man finds a man attractive that's his right as a man, and we don't need no sissy bs theories to explain it!




[edit on 9-8-2010 by halfoldman]

There is a difference from sexual attraction and attraction.

Its like me looking at tom cruise and thinking "he is hot' or "man he sure is good looking".

Or just seeing some random dude down the street with model looks and model body. I can find other men attractive in that sense. This is called aesthetic attraction. Its no different then from looking at a great painting and finding i beautiful.

Just because i look at a guy and a thought pops into my head "wow...he sure is handsome" that does not mean i next think "wow....i wanna take his shirt off and lick his cheast!".

Sexual attraction=I find a man sexually attractive. as in i would have sex with that person. as in i get aroused by a man just as bad as a heterosexual would to the opposite sex.

Aesthetic attraction= You can find a man 'attractive'. Its no different then women who say "you are beautiful girlfriend!" humans are made to find things that look good attractive.



[edit on 9-8-2010 by Nofoolishness]

Originally posted by Schrödinger
You are simply wrong, all evidence support that we are bi-sexual to some extend! And that it is society that provides us with the norm of monogamous heterosexuality!

When you use the word "bi-sexual", think of the fact that the definition is stereotyped, and that most men's idea of bi-sexuals forms from what they've seen on online porn sites.

I'd rather think of it as if we're all basically sexual, and can direct our sexuality on just about anything, just like a dog can make out with a leg, because that's where the dog's sexuality takes it at a given moment in a given situation.

You will never however convince a devout Christian that there's any point in making out with a leg, or someone of the same sex.

Originally posted by Schrödinger
You are simply wrong, all evidence support that we are bi-sexual to some extend! And that it is society that provides us with the norm of monogamous heterosexuality!

Do I consider myself by-sexual? To some extend yes.
Am I sexually attracted to other males? No, I am not!
Do I love other males? Yes, I do, my father, brothers and sons!
Can I see that another male is attractive? I surely can, that does not make me want to have sex with them however.

What is sex?
Is sex only the insertion of ones genital into another's orifice? No it is surely not.
There are many types of sex, and I would even go as far to say that, when I nurture my baby son. (changing dippers and what that includes) he sometimes get a erection, I am having a form of sex with my own son.
Do I get pleasure from this nurturing? I surely do! Does he get pleasure from this nurturing? He sure does! Do I get sexually aroused from nurturing my son? No not the slightest! Does he get sexually aroused from me nurturing him? Well, I cannot be sure, but it sure looks that way to me.

Does that make me or my son homosexuals? I am pretty sure it doesn't!


EDIT: Added a sentence to emphasize


[edit on 9-8-2010 by Schrödinger]

Then your not bisexual. Bisexuality is where you find both genders sexually and emotionally attractive.

bisexuality=you can have sex with and fall in love with both genders.

reply to post by Schrödinger

A very honest, open, yet so innocently frank post, and I believe what you say is from the heart.

Do I consider myself by-sexual? To some extend yes.

But:

Am I sexually attracted to other males? No, I am not!

I'm not sure I understand.
If you admit to being bisexual, then you are attracted (by definition) to both genders.
Or did the meaning of "bisexual" change recently?
I am totally gay, and although I've had social pressure to be with a woman in that way, I don't find women sexually attractive at all.
I guess people are making a philosophical point.
True bisexuals are even rarer than gay men by my experience.
Of course I refer here to the "bisexual" as a distinct sexual orientation.


[edit on 9-8-2010 by halfoldman]

reply to post by Heliocentric

You will never however convince a devout Christian that there's any point in making out with a leg, or someone of the same sex.

Well, I guess you're not speaking from experience on that one.
None are so "devout" these days that they'll castrate themselves, like Origen and other early Christian men.
Quite a number of gay men go the masochistic religious route - with the odd fall from grace. Just read the newspaper.



[edit on 9-8-2010 by halfoldman]

You're right, I'm not a devout Christian, and can therefore not know how they reason.

reply to post by Nofoolishness

Well, as long as you're happy.
I must say that I don't experience being gay as a constant turn-on either.
I can shower with guys and all that...
It's more like a beautiful face, an attitude, a cameraderie that I take to my personal space. A gesture, a touch, a glance...

But imagine poor Tom Cruise (whom you mentioned).
I mean if even straight guys think he's aethetically hot, I'm not surprised he went a bit nuts.

reply to post by Heliocentric


Thank you, couldn't have said it better myself!

I totally agree with your definition.




reply to post by halfoldman



Well I can see I made an oxymoron, that does not however have to make my statement false.

I think what I mean is that I am not attracted to males, but I could have sex with them, I suppose! I would not exclude it! But I consider myself pretty masculine, and I am attracted to the feminine, so I would find it plausible, that I could be attracted to a beautiful feminine man!

I would further speculate that I just haven't found one!

I do not fantasize about men, but I can see a reason behind, men giving each other satisfaction, should the need or correct situation arise.

Originally posted by Schrödinger
I do not fantasize about men, but I can see a reason behind, men giving each other satisfaction, should the need or correct situation arise.

Neither women nor goats around?

Originally posted by Heliocentric

Originally posted by Schrödinger
I do not fantasize about men, but I can see a reason behind, men giving each other satisfaction, should the need or correct situation arise.

Neither women nor goats around?

LoL yea something like that, though I would probably take a man before I took a goat

reply to post by Schrödinger

Thank you very much for the clarification.
It is indeed an honor to have chatted with somebody as honest and self-aware as yourself.
I cannot personally second that everyone is bisexual, but I guess, with enough hunger most of us are also cannibals.
But given a choice, most of us are pretty secure in our identities.
You are a wise man - and perhaps above us all a bit.

Originally posted by Schrödinger
LoL yea something like that, though I would probably take a man before I took a goat

How about potbellied, bald man with poor hygiene vs. cute, clean, well-groomed female goat?

Take your time to think it through...

Originally posted by Heliocentric

Originally posted by Schrödinger
LoL yea something like that, though I would probably take a man before I took a goat

How about potbellied, bald man with poor hygiene vs. cute, clean, well-groomed female goat?

LMAO, true hadnt thought of that, I would pick the goat

Me too! But I would close my eyes and imagine Scarlett Johansson...

reply to post by halfoldman


You are welcome, and likewise; it have been a very insightful and learning debate for me

Originally posted by Schrödinger

Originally posted by Heliocentric

Originally posted by Schrödinger
LoL yea something like that, though I would probably take a man before I took a goat

How about potbellied, bald man with poor hygiene vs. cute, clean, well-groomed female goat?

LMAO, true hadnt thought of that, I would pick the goat

Your still not bisexual dude. I could have sex with a man too....if i could get it up. but i dont WANT to have sex with a man. Im not sexually attracted to a man. I could in fact have sex with ANYTHING if it has a hole because im human.

Humanity is very sexual. We are so sexual in fact that the females of our species get aroused SUBCONCIOUSLY to not only lesbian porn,gay porn,and even ANIMALS having sex. Essentially women while not reporting being aroused there bodies are aroused.

Does this make all women bisexual? no. It just means that we are sexual creatures.

to be bisexual you have to have

1.) sexual attraction. You must look at a man and go "hmm....oh yeah look at those abes" or what ever gay men find attractive on other men.

2.) emotional attraction. could you see yourself falling in love with a man? spending the rest of your life as a man. If not...nope not bisexual. I could see myself doing that...for a few seconds and then i feel like im gonna throw up!

The truth of the matter is...most 'bisexuals' are like you. Even though they THINK they are bisexual all they are is horndogs. There is a reason why bisexuals are stereostyped to have sex with anything.

'bisexuals' like you have given other bisexuals a bad name. It is to the point now that nobody takes bisexuality seriously anymore. even the gay community thinks bisexuality is bullcraP,AND BISEXUALS ARE IN THE COMMMNITY FOR GODS SAKE!!