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Anti-gay homophobes - what country would you choose?

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posted on Aug, 8 2010 @ 02:19 PM
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Great post, with some crucial insights!
But:

Iran or Zimbabway? Neither, Iran is a theocracy, with no real rights for anyone else, and the other is slowly changing and an unstable government, and both are in a very volatile part of the world.

How is Zimbabwe in a volatile part of the world?
It's neighbors are the most stable, well-off democracies in Africa.
Its homophobia (first voiced by Mugabe in the late 1990s) is its most volatile danger, I'd say.




posted on Aug, 8 2010 @ 02:22 PM
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I agree, all evidence support what you are saying!

Thanks for a good civil debate, it has made me think, so I will retreat for now, and perhaps come back.

S+F for you sir!



posted on Aug, 8 2010 @ 02:24 PM
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Originally posted by halfoldman
Alright, homophobia is the focused hatred toward homosexual people.
It is rarely seen as a symptom on its own, but usually accompanies other phobias. A phobia against women and femininity is usually concurrent with it.

Phobia implies a fear of not a hatred of agoraphobia, arachnophobia, hydrophobia. And ism would imply a hatred or at least a point of view... racism, sexism, socialism, capitalism. A hatred of homosexuals is simply sexism and not a phobia. I think what bothers a lot of people is that for the most part, people are modest in their sexuality, they rarely display public affection (teens excluded) and find it highly offensive to see a group running around screaming at the top of their lungs "ACCEPT MY SEXUAL PREFERENCE!" Most people shouldn't and probably DON'T care what you do in the bedroom, just as you probably don't want to know what I do in mine.

So let me flip your question around on you... what country would anti-straight heterophobes choose?



posted on Aug, 8 2010 @ 02:34 PM
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Thank you!
And the danger I note with something as ill defined as "homosexuality", is that it becomes a cause to wipe out opposition.
Since most people already find the very idea of same-sex physical contact revolting (outside ritualized sport), it is very easy to falsely attach "gayness" to further fetishes like corprophilia.
The West's own ambivelance towards, and religious views on homosexuality are exported to global regions.
Just like missionaries never intended certain practices linked to exorcism, what is exported on homosexuality can lead to serious human rights abuses.



posted on Aug, 8 2010 @ 02:36 PM
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Originally posted by Schrödinger

Mardi Grass is a Carnival, that goes on at evening/night time, where our children should be asleep. But it might be a double standard, at least I admit it, and to answer your question, no I have nothing against carnivals.



Thanks for that.

The parade is Once a Year - - and I'm sure it is advertised and notices put out.

Its one of those things - if you object - you stay home.

I wouldn't take my children to any re-enactment of Jesus carrying the cross.



posted on Aug, 8 2010 @ 02:49 PM
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Originally posted by brutalsun

Originally posted by halfoldman
Alright, homophobia is the focused hatred toward homosexual people.
It is rarely seen as a symptom on its own, but usually accompanies other phobias. A phobia against women and femininity is usually concurrent with it.

Phobia implies a fear of not a hatred of agoraphobia, arachnophobia, hydrophobia. And ism would imply a hatred or at least a point of view... racism, sexism, socialism, capitalism. A hatred of homosexuals is simply sexism and not a phobia. I think what bothers a lot of people is that for the most part, people are modest in their sexuality, they rarely display public affection (teens excluded) and find it highly offensive to see a group running around screaming at the top of their lungs "ACCEPT MY SEXUAL PREFERENCE!" Most people shouldn't and probably DON'T care what you do in the bedroom, just as you probably don't want to know what I do in mine.

So let me flip your question around on you... what country would anti-straight heterophobes choose?

Well, I'd say with homophobia two things are going on:
- a revulsion at contact with the same sex (outside certain ritualized sport, where men "trying to kill each other" justifies their touching)
- an actual revulsion at gay people (usually because they signify the former reaction)
There is also another possibility: straight men sacrifice a lot to be butch and macho. And suddenly, here comes this queen who implies: "Look at me, I'm happy, and all your efforts mean nothing to me!"
It's the ultimate mocking.
Furthermore, femininity is even seen as frivolous in women, and it is even more threatening in men.
There is no country as yet, but just as the Jews (and I think the Roma and Kurds should get) gays, lesbians and transgendered people should be given a country, or piece of land.

For hardcore homophobes I'd say: go to Uganda, Iran or Zimbabwe.



posted on Aug, 8 2010 @ 03:07 PM
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I think what bothers a lot of people is that for the most part, people are modest in their sexuality, they rarely display public affection (teens excluded) and find it highly offensive to see a group running around screaming at the top of their lungs "ACCEPT MY SEXUAL PREFERENCE!"

There is nothing modest about heterosexuality, or patriarchy anywhere.
Where is this modesty?
The Playboy Mansion, The Kardashians or the many porn movies of hetero celebs on the web?
Is it in some polygamous scripture?
Gay culture usually follows hetero culture.
So, admonish hetero culture for its lack of modesty and we may follow.

But isn't that the problem? Modern, open gay culture is just one of the things that other cultures detest - but it's just the symbolic tip of an iceberg.



posted on Aug, 8 2010 @ 03:30 PM
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One thing I'd like to comprehend are groups of Evangelicals, like Frontline Ministries.
On the one hand they are very anti-Islam, but they are also anti-gay.
But now, would they have more in common with a gay person of the same Christian religion, or would they rather be anti-gay with conservative Muslims?

It seems they got along once for anti-gay tourism protests, but I guess that conservative theistic co-operation was spoiled by 9/11 and George
W. Bush.



posted on Aug, 8 2010 @ 04:15 PM
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The reason why I say Zimbabwe is in an unstable region of Africa, is that if you go north, you start getting into countries that are in political tourmoil, with some of the far worse crimes against humanity has seen. Perpetual wars that go on for generations, where it gets down right tribal and dangerous for anyone living in that area. Political unrest, the causes are either religious in nature, or from hurts done in times past. Most paramilitary groups will move from country to country, making the entire area dangerous.



posted on Aug, 8 2010 @ 04:35 PM
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Fair enough, I see your point.
Although the leaders in the SADEC region would usually be South Africa and Botswana.
What is sad however, is that as soon as one hears that homophobic drivel, a country is going under.
Perhaps gay people are to a social environment what some frogs are to ecosystems - early warning signs!
When states turn to homophobic rhetoric, rest assured some other group is actually intended as next!



posted on Aug, 8 2010 @ 04:36 PM
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Well you can tell a lot about any society by the manner in which it treats it minorities.



posted on Aug, 8 2010 @ 05:39 PM
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So true, and of course "minorities" can be manufactured at will.
But what I've never understood - heterosexual women are not a minority.
Yet in a lot of these countries they have virtually no rights, they are sytematically raped and abused, and yet they are one half (at least) of the population!
I mean Grace Mugabe is just as cold-hearted as her hubby.
How does that work?
Why do so many women in these countries applaud their own mistreatment?



posted on Aug, 8 2010 @ 06:14 PM
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Can there be healthy homophobia?
Take Mel Gibson - once just a "righteous homophobe", now seen as an anti-Semite, racist, wife-beater.
The public image of functional homophobia as an ideal is at an all time low.
The fact that states with official homophobia are the worst dystopias is a further embarrassment.

To many, the fact that the US still wants to wage war against nations when that "conservative" war-like section wants to implement similar policies (as their Muslim enemy) is the biggest joke!


[edit on 8-8-2010 by halfoldman]



posted on Aug, 8 2010 @ 06:34 PM
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What? Gays still feel intimidated by machos?

Where I live, they're all muscled up, while fag-haters generally are low educated, pot-bellied, balding unattractive mid-level alcoholics, who blames everybody for their misfortunes in life, including the gays.

Why is homophobia really still an issue in the Western world? It finally gave gay people its civil rights, and we're talking about a low percentage of the population.

What else is there to do? If you want even more rights I'm okay with it, if you want to take over a state or two, or found your own republic I'm okay with it. If you want to invade the Arab world and force them to legalize anal sex I'm okay with it too.

We took women out of the kitchen, and homosexuals out of the closet, that's done. But others are still persecuted. How about if we decriminalize the pot smoker? who - I swear - does nothing wrong by smoking a dried flower and hurts no one, but is still harassed, fined and put in prison.



posted on Aug, 8 2010 @ 06:48 PM
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I don't have too many problems with gays... But the ones who flaunt it disgust me. Especially around children. I don't mean showing love for each other (i.e holding hands or hugging), but i mean the ones who outwardly talk about very personal sexual contact such as "I stuck *** up his **** and ******* in his **** and then he ****** it all up and then did exactly the same to me but i refused to **** it because i'm a 'giver' not a 'taker'....

Maybe it's because i was brought up catholic but I consider it against the laws of nature.

I once had to attend a 'gay rights equality' course many years ago, and the gay spokesperson went beyond the obvious 'oh yeah we're being persecuted for our sexuality' but actually went into detail about what him and his partner did together...

Eurgh.


Edit: The Uk. Although i DO think we're becoming too 'politically correct'.

[edit on 8-8-2010 by mr-lizard]



posted on Aug, 8 2010 @ 07:17 PM
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The reason you gays will never be truly happy or even content
is because deep down you know what you are doing to each other
is not only wrong its discusting!
Your endeavours for equality is simply an attempt to justify your
filthy deeds as accepted, therefore normal behavior.
While i conceed that i am infact anti-gay im not homophobic. The
only thing i fear about an act of gayness is one happening to me!
The last poof that tried was left bleading at the piss-trough.



posted on Aug, 8 2010 @ 08:37 PM
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Homophobic means to be afraid of homosexuality, Yes?

Well from what I can see most Heterosexual men are not AFRAID of gay men.

So we need to get this bandage terminology thrown out to begin with. It's as bad as the overt use of "Anti-Semitic" applied to anyone that does not agree with the actions of one state.

Homophobic is exactly the same, it is a bandage term used for anyone who disagrees with the homosexual lifestyle, and is thus a misnomer that simply does not apply in the real world for most men.

As for where gay men or straight men should live, anywhere they want is the only answer.



posted on Aug, 8 2010 @ 09:18 PM
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Originally posted by lestweforget
The reason you gays will never be truly happy or even content
is because deep down you know what you are doing to each other
is not only wrong its discusting!
Your endeavours for equality is simply an attempt to justify your
filthy deeds as accepted, therefore normal behavior.
While i conceed that i am infact anti-gay im not homophobic. The
only thing i fear about an act of gayness is one happening to me!
The last poof that tried was left bleading at the piss-trough.


Oh Joy! I think you probably have a few other issues as well living in this world.

Are you God Fearing as well?



posted on Aug, 8 2010 @ 09:22 PM
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Annie God hates sin and homosexuality is sin. I am sorry that you disagree but the truth is the truth. It dosnt meen Christian people should hate gays or treat them like second class citizens. It meens they need to relize that there actions are an abomination to God and need to change there lifestyle.



posted on Aug, 8 2010 @ 09:23 PM
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Originally posted by humbleseeker
Annie God hates sin and homosexuality is sin. I am sorry that you disagree but the truth is the truth. It dosnt meen Christian people should hate gays or treat them like second class citizens. It meens they need to relize that there actions are an abomination to God and need to change there lifestyle.


Man created the myth god.

Man is responsible for man - - and hating what they don't understand because of ignorance.



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