The War for Your Mind: "Ground Zero Mosque" , page 3

reply to post by ~Lucidity

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You start off saying this is "not" a discussion of the right or wrong of building a mosque there, but only of disinformation, then you proceed to label all information against this mosque as "misinformation", and even state that all opposing it are wrong. Sorry, but that does not fly. What you actually posted states your intentions clearly.

On the ISSUE, since that is clearly really the topic here:

1. The imam involved is suspected of having ties to radicals. He DOES make claims that the U.S. is to blame for 9/11. He is far from neutral on this issue.

2. It is a fact that a case had to be filed to allow those ads to be run. FACT. Like the ads or not; it wasn't right for them to be refused.

3. MOST Americans think a mosque there is a bad idea. See this all over the internet, on Facebook posts, blogs, article comments, everywhere. It has nothing to do with freedom of religion, and everything to do with good taste and respect. To place a mosque there would be nothing less than a slap in the face, a big middle finger, to America. The reality is that radical Islamic terrorists flew planes into the WTC and the Pentagon, and failed at another attempt on who knows what building, and placing a mosque anywhere near there now should not be tolerated. Any real "moderate" Muslim should see this. Where is the respect for the dead?

4. This has nothing to do with some hatred against all Muslims. Know people with Muslim friends that don't think a mosque should be built there. It isn't racist to be against this proposed building, and it isn't hateful. The hate is in proposing one there in the first place.

Now, as to your little "false information" list?

You state that saying Islam is not peaceful is false. Check this site for some accurate information:

Islam Watch

You state that claims of hidden funding are false. How would you know this? It is a fact that so-called, self-proclaimed "peaceful Muslims" have been proven to be involved with terrorist organizations, and even to raise funds for them. Remember That professor from USF? I do; lived in Tampa at the time he was arrested. Such a "peaceful" fellow....not!

If you wish to call the claimed groundbreaking or opening dates false, please provide us with the "real" ones. Heard this claim many times, but have yet to hear an alternate date offered.

You can quibble between "mosque" and "Islamic community center" all day long; won;t change that there would be a mosque IN such a center, or that such a center could spread anti-American information. You know, like saying that our government really did it?

Talk about most Muslims not believing as the hijackers? Prove it. I have seen videos that show even many that claim to be peaceful and moderate teach something completely different behind closed doors. Besides the ones found out, arrested, etc, we have expose videos. One such, a group someplace in GB sent women in undercover to such a location. A Muslim center that claimed moderation, peace, etc. The undercover woman went in as a Muslim, and simply asked questions. She was told that non-Muslims were the enemy, should be killed, etc. All caught on hidden camera. Look up "taqiyya", please.

Never heard anyone but pro-mosque people claim "on" ground zero. All ads and mention I have seen said "at", which means that immediate area. Two blocks is well within the area of destruction. Who is misinforming now?

I am not a family member (least as far as I know) of anyone killed there, and I am against that location for a mosque. I stated why at the start.

Now, have to add, saying the place should be declared a historical site or battlefield is NOT misinformation, but OPINION, and those people are entitled to state their opinions. Freedom of speech means you don't have to agree, but you can't tell them they are wrong for saying what they believe. Frankly, declaring the site a battlefield would not only be the right way to handle this, but would properly address this part of our history. It WAS a battlefield, after all. terrorists declared war on this nation, and killed thousands out of hate. Calling that act anything else is to avoid facing the truth. They started a war based on their religion.

By the way, have had several Muslim online friends state that they think that location is a bad idea as well, because it shows a complete lack of respect.

Originally posted by americandingbat
A couple more links to drop off here for anyone interested

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First, a blog post from the NYTimes about the State Department trip Imam Rauf is on:
U.S. Sends Muslim Center Imam to Arab World to Promote Religious Tolerance
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Ah, the irony! Screaming about how protesting this is some attack against their freedom of religion, and totally ignoring the FACT that the State Department has now acted against the Constitution in paying for a trip to PROMOTE a religion! You people never cease to astound me.

reply to post by LadyGreenEyes

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Can you explain how you get "promoting Islam" from "discussing Muslim life in America and promoting religious tolerance"?

Whether or not it's a good use of State Department funds to do outreach programs like the imam's trip to Arab countries is a valid debate, but not really related to the media coverage of the so-called "Ground Zero Mosque" which is the topic of this thread.

Protesting or rallying against the Park51/Cordoba project is not an attack on their freedom of religion, and I don't think Imam Rauf or anyone else has claimed that it is.

Legal or legislative moves against it on the basis of their religion are in violation of the First Amendment.

If the Burlington Coat Factory building should be protected as a "battlefield" then why didn't people advocate that action before this controversy? It sat empty for eight years before SoHo Properties bought it for these purposes in 2009 (after almost four years of negotiating and getting the sale set up). Either a place is a "battlefield" or it isn't; it doesn't suddenly become one when you're not happy with what a private property owner has planned for it.

As for your other allegations about the imam not being the moderate he seems, about funding, and about opening dates, they have been answered numerous times on this forum. I don't feel like answering them yet again right now. If you have any actual evidence to present perhaps I will.


edit to add: it wasn't addressed at me, but for the record yes, I am against law suits attempting to force churches to perform gay marriages if gay marriage is against their belief system. Honestly though, has such a lawsuit ever gotten anywhere?

[edit on 8/30/2010 by americandingbat]

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