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Scientific Evidence for DNA spontanously forming from only sand and water in sterile environment

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posted on Aug, 7 2010 @ 04:04 PM
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This is scientific evidence showing how DNA and life is created from sand and water in a sterilized environment - in 24 hours.



This information is collected from a variety of sources, shown at the bottom of the article. I did not find any previous information about this on ATS.

As far as I understand, this has huge consequences for our understanding about what is required for life to form, and where life can form amongst other things. This knowledge is in the public domain but has it gotten the attention it deserves?

See next post....


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posted on Aug, 7 2010 @ 04:04 PM
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In the year 2000, professor Ignacio Ochoa P. (Neurobiologist) put forward scientific evidence that loose inorganic materials can spontaneously and intelligently spiral together to form DNA, in the cold emptiness of space.

One DNA molecule is as complex as an entire encyclopedia so without a higher, organized intelligence guiding the process, we really cannot explain this.

Pacheco's experiment is very simple. Heat beach sand to white-hot luminescence, killing all known lifeforms that could live inside. Then deposit the sand into a test tube, partially filled with some distilled water.



Hermetically seal the test-tube shut with a Bakelite cover, and let the mixture cool down for an hour. Then pop it in an autoclave and sterilize it. The autoclave uses temperatures and pressures scientifically proven to kill all forms of life we now know to exist. Nothing can possibly live through that treatment. This is how surgical instruments are sterilized so they don't introduce bacteria into the body of the patient.

Then give your sterilized mixture 24 hours to sit undisturbed. Stand by as hidden, unacknowledged 'torsion fields' gather up the raw materials in your tubes and start creating DNA -- and life. Fast! After the 24 hours, skim off the top layer and study the results under a microscope. Repeat the same sterilization process two more times and continue to sample and study the results. That's it!

Remember -- all living material should have expired inside that tube after the first "fractional sterilization". Since the tube was sealed, nothing new could get in -- not bacteria from the air, nor anything else. Nothing at all.

Despite all these obvious facts, a thin layer of 'scum' appeared on the surface... filled with little living critters! Pacheco referred to this layer with the technical-sounding term 'supernatant'.

Some pictures from his paper (see link to paper for all pictures and explanations below):












Ignacio Ochoa's paper:
Ultrastructural and light microscopy analysis of SAPA bions formation and growth in vitro

Times of London:
Dust ‘comes alive’ in space

Institute of Physics study described by Times of London:
From plasma crystals and helical structures towards inorganic living matter

About the complexity of our DNA:
Landmark Genome Study Shows Complexity of Human 'Code'

Divine Cosmos
Science of Peace




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posted on Aug, 7 2010 @ 04:21 PM
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Ok. Now how does that prove creation vs. evolution?



posted on Aug, 7 2010 @ 04:21 PM
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Man o Man I doubly don't want to go under the knife now!!

Interesting read, I suspect there is something else going on though other than spontaneous life.

the question of if inert matter could congeal into something as complex as DNA in the vastness of space then the question should be is space infinite.

If it is infinite then the answer is absolutely yes and it does so an infinite amount of times.

The old 10 monkeys with an infinite amount time could type the entire works of Shakespeare comes to mind..

If the universe is finite then there would be a definate figure as to if this was possible given a few variables such as time, particle density etc etc.

Anyway, interesting read


S&F.

Korg

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posted on Aug, 7 2010 @ 04:32 PM
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It does perhaps prove that the universe is in fact geared towards generating life. Interesting. But, I think where you decide to take the implications of this, as with anything, rests largely with your preconceptions. An atheist can easily say that this proves that life does not need a creator.

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posted on Aug, 7 2010 @ 04:37 PM
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Originally posted by sligtlyskeptical
Ok. Now how does that prove creation vs. evolution?


True, it doesnt.


Originally posted by Watcher-In-The-Shadows
reply to post by Copernicus
 


It does perhaps prove that the universe is in fact geared towards generating life. Interesting. But, I think were you decide to take the implications of this, as with anything, rests largely with your preconceptions. An atheist can easily say that this proves that life does not need a creator.


True.

I will modify my parts of the original post.



posted on Aug, 7 2010 @ 05:40 PM
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While I do believe life was created by a higher power, there is one possible flaw in this experiment. The silica skeletons of diatoms would survive the white hot heat.

Diatomaceous earth
en.wikipedia.org...


This would not explain the DNA being found though.



posted on Aug, 7 2010 @ 05:42 PM
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It looks like David Wilcock featured this paper in one of his videos.

DAVID WILCOCK at the Project Camelot Awake and Aware Conference, Los Angeles, Sept 2009

As usual, the video and paper was labeled with the "WOO" word by sceptics.

Maximum possible WOO?
www.rationalskepticism.org/general-debunking/maximum-possible-woo-t10549-60.html

Se this quoted part where they make fun of the paper.


2:03:14 Ultrastructural and light microscopy analysis of SAPA bions formation and growth in vitro
By Dr Ignacio Ochoa Pacheco (Don't google, just don't... All I get is creationist hits saying it's game over for evolution.)
Took Beach Sand, heated it to white hot luminescence, stuffed it into sterilized test tube, put in distilled sterilized water, in a vaccum!
FIve days later found scum growing on test tube. LIFE!
Slides showing things found in the scum. (As usual his commentary is so very useful)
"This one looks like a little brain"
"This one looks like it broke off from a sea vegetable."
"Another one looks like red blood cell"
"Here's one like a white blood cell"
"Here is the Bomb digitti! this thing has about 20-30 000 genes just about as many as You" (Wow I fluctuate between have 20-30 thousand genes at any point in time?)
"He has a head he has a mouth" "Probably excretes somewhere" "He has a defence structure"
"This DNA is in space it's Everywhere!"
"The DNA wave says: 'Oh this is the silica basis of sand! I need to make little sea creatures in here' just like in a nuclear reactor "Oh I need to build radioactive bacteria in here."



posted on Aug, 7 2010 @ 05:43 PM
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Absolutely a interesting contribution, thank you.



posted on Aug, 7 2010 @ 05:44 PM
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reply to post by Copernicus
 


I´m wondering, were the samples they found different from samples one would find in the sand they used, before sterilisation, or were it complete new lifeforms?



posted on Aug, 7 2010 @ 05:44 PM
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This comment is not very useful. The scientific evidence can stand on its own without David Wilcock if required.



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posted on Aug, 7 2010 @ 05:47 PM
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Wow.

I am literally floored. This is probably the most significant thing I have read in a while. I have always been astounded with life. Like, when you see plants growing between the cracks of sidewalks or out of walls or other crazy places, because life is so determined to exist. This is just another step to that. Life is incredibly stubborn. This is an incredibly inspiring story to me.



posted on Aug, 7 2010 @ 05:49 PM
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Its quite awesome and exciting. I was also stunned when I found out about this. From the mass media, you would think this discovery is minor. But as far as I understand, the implications are huge and its a major breakthrough.


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posted on Aug, 7 2010 @ 05:55 PM
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I agree, that's why I said these two statements.

"they make fun of the paper."

"As usual, the video and paper was labeled with the "WOO" word by sceptics."

However, I brought this up as a preventive measure, you might know the reasons why.

I didn't intend for the post to be interpreted as character assassination.

Sceptics who throw the "woo" word around frequently are borderline pseudosceptics...



posted on Aug, 7 2010 @ 05:58 PM
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OK. So I read this twice to make sure but if I've got it wrong, don't jump all over me...

He says he sterilizes the sand then puts in the tube, seals it and autoclaves it. Right? Well, the test tube's interior was never sterilized. So sealing it means the pressure would remain the same and away from the walls of the glass, the temperature could vary, no? So anything on the inside of the test tube prior to putting the sand in would be able to grow.

Did I miss something?



posted on Aug, 7 2010 @ 05:59 PM
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Ah I see. I didnt understand your reasons but now I do.



posted on Aug, 7 2010 @ 06:01 PM
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I dont think this professor would make such a basic mistake, but lets find out. Im not a scientist, but shouldnt this experiment be very easily to replicate if you have access to some basic stuff?

Would be awesome if someone on ATS could do it.



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posted on Aug, 7 2010 @ 06:30 PM
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Notice the date of the final, completed paper, April 2001.


orig posted (2000jan31) reposted & completed (2001apr08)**

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by
Prof. Ignacio Ochoa P. (Neurobiologist) © 2000-2001


Such experiment could already have been replicated by independent parties.

Those days sometimes forces people to resort to global, open peer review by internet users.

It includes the standard sections of an article sent to peer reviewed journals.

Zzombie, Point of No Return and 35Foxtrot are true examples of "honest" sceptic inquiries.

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posted on Aug, 7 2010 @ 09:34 PM
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Isn't this very similar to how the bible and other ancient texts describe us coming into existence? And this scientist happened to put the sand in the tube? So this DNA needed intelligence behind its creation.



posted on Aug, 7 2010 @ 09:42 PM
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To make my last contribution for a while, here is his thesis title, for those who might try the "correspondence diploma mill" or "pay for a degree".

His full name is "Ignacio Enrique Ochoa Pacheco".

He got his degree from Universidad de Los Andes, Venezuela in the year 1989.

The university's website is www.ula.ve

Titled as "Reconstrucción in vitro de la corteza motora de ratón".

Thesis bibliography record here, from Universia, a well known spanish language academic website.

biblioteca.universia.net/html_bura/ficha/params/id/37758317.html

To finish, the thesis record is indexed at the university's own catalog.

platon.serbi.ula.ve/librum/librum_ula/ver.php?ndoc=198872



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