Calling all Debunkers, and anyone who thinks Holocaust Denial is offensive, debunk this!

Originally posted by filosophia
reply to post by AngryCymraeg

 

I dont believe in hitlers race theories but I dont see how that is relevant to the facts. There was no zyklon b residue in the gas chambers, the most famous holocaust victim ann frank didnt even die in a gas chamber but by typhus, meaning typhus was the real 'evil dictator' not Hitler who gave no written order for a holocaust and the cruelties were carried out by underlings. The pictures of the dead bodies, those famous pics that people say proves the holocaust, proves disease killed them. This does not change based on hitlers state of mind. Plus, you are assuming you know someones subjective state of mind you never met. How can that be I wonder, obviously because you believe hitler killed six million. I dont, which is where we differ.

You are, once again, quoting Leuchter. Leuchter has been disproved. It was quite easy because the man wasn't an expert, wasn't in the right chamber and in fact didn't know what he was doing. Not every victim of the Holocaust died in a gas chamber. Up to a million of the dead were shot dead by the Einsatzgruppen in the East. However, this was regarded as being inefficient - Himmler fainted when he was splashed by brain matter when he witnessed a mass shooting. Yes, disease was also a factor. Bergen-Belsen, where Anne Frank died, was a classic example of this. The mentality of the Nazis is chillingly illustrated by Bergen-Belsen. To concentrate so many people in such a small area, with so little water and food, next to no medicine and no real sanitary arrangements, just because they were Jewish and therefore subhuman, speaks of indifference that amounts to barbarism.

Originally posted by filosophia
reply to post by AngryCymraeg

 

Soviets setting foot on german soil has nothing to do with deaths in poland, like the katyn massacre, committed by the soviets, blamed on the nazis. So even mainstream history has an example of a soviet massacre blamed on the nazis, and yet you say the nazis could not possibly have been framed. Ha! Well I differ.

Sorry, what? Katyn is one thing, the Holocaust is another. We have the reconnaissance photos taken of places like Auschwitz when the Eastern Front was hundreds of miles away. We have similar pictures of Sobibor. We have the reports that reached the West that something terrible was happening in German-occupied Poland. We have, in other words, the proof. No-one has ever claimed that the Soviets framed Hitler for the Holocaust. No-one. You are now grasping at straws.

Originally posted by AngryCymraeg
By the way, you claim that Hitler tried to make peace. Can I ask, based on his previous track record, who in his right mind would have taken his word that he was going to be a good boy and play nicely with the world?

Plenty of speeches and writings prove hitler wanted peace. You only disbelieve him because of the holocaust official story. You see if I convince the world that you killed six million jews they probably wouldnt believe you if you said you wanted peace. Typical result of mass brainwashing. Here is a speech talking about peace
www.hitler.org...
Nothing in that speech about wotld war or how he has to destroy his enemies.


Now compare this to modern israel, they cant stop talking about war with iran or anyone else despite no just cause. So it is clear who the aggressors were, england and russia, not germany.

Originally posted by filosophia

Originally posted by AngryCymraeg
By the way, you claim that Hitler tried to make peace. Can I ask, based on his previous track record, who in his right mind would have taken his word that he was going to be a good boy and play nicely with the world?

Plenty of speeches and writings prove hitler wanted peace. You only disbelieve him because of the holocaust official story. You see if I convince the world that you killed six million jews they probably wouldnt believe you if you said you wanted peace. Typical result of mass brainwashing. Here is a speech talking about peace
www.hitler.org...
Nothing in that speech about wotld war or how he has to destroy his enemies.


Now compare this to modern israel, they cant stop talking about war with iran or anyone else despite no just cause. So it is clear who the aggressors were, england and russia, not germany.

Sorry, I just laughed so hard I almost threw up. You call that speech an example of Hitler's desire for peace? What??? He starts off by blaming the Jews (a common thread through all his rantings) glosses over the fact that he declared war on Poland, thus starting the war and then blames everyone but himself. Oh and it's dated to May 1941. One month later he invaded the Soviet Union. Oh, yes, very peaceful!

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I will have to see the aerial photos for myself, I cant find them, so if you can link much appreciated. As for the frame up, how I see it is, 1) the soviets killed more than the nazis, so why is the world obsessed about hitler? 2) the katyn massacr was a soviet massacre blamed on nazis. 3) The claim of six million dead can not be verified as there are no mass graves of six million or one million or even a few hundred thousand. Therefore, Germany was the target of propaganda, so the safe bet is to be skeptical of any so called nazi crimes declared by pro soviet forces.

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He was retrieving stolen German territory in Poland, the city of danzig. And why didnt the world declare war against the soviets when they invaded poland at almost the same period as the germans?
zioncrimefactory.com...

Of course hitler hated the jews, that was his thing, not mine, I would have just hated the zionists and political tools of the zionists, england and america. But I cant judge him for that. Most of the wotld is anti german and anti muslim, so the wotld is just as anti semitic, literally, as hitler thought he was, because of their oppression of palestine.

Originally posted by filosophia
reply to post by AngryCymraeg

 

I will have to see the aerial photos for myself, I cant find them, so if you can link much appreciated. As for the frame up, how I see it is, 1) the soviets killed more than the nazis, so why is the world obsessed about hitler? 2) the katyn massacr was a soviet massacre blamed on nazis. 3) The claim of six million dead can not be verified as there are no mass graves of six million or one million or even a few hundred thousand. Therefore, Germany was the target of propaganda, so the safe bet is to be skeptical of any so called nazi crimes declared by pro soviet forces.

I suggest you google search it and then hit 'images'. That should bring up the pictures. Same with Auschwitz. As for the Holocaust this was a unique and terrible crime - the mass murder of people based purely on their religion. As for the 'lack' of mass graves, wrong. They asre there. They contain the ashes of millions of people who were guilty of no crime other than to have been born Jewish.

Originally posted by filosophia
reply to post by AngryCymraeg

 

He was retrieving stolen German territory in Poland, the city of danzig. And why didnt the world declare war against the soviets when they invaded poland at almost the same period as the germans?
zioncrimefactory.com...

Of course hitler hated the jews, that was his thing, not mine, I would have just hated the zionists and political tools of the zionists, england and america. But I cant judge him for that. Most of the wotld is anti german and anti muslim, so the wotld is just as anti semitic, literally, as hitler thought he was, because of their oppression of palestine.

He 'retrieved' it by invading a neutral country. He had been told not too, especially after his annexation of the Czech areas of Czechoslovakia, which didn't actually contain any germans. After that the scales finally fell from Chamberlain and Daladier's eyes. Hitler could not be trusted and had to be stopped.

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I typed in holocaust aerial photos image but no images came up. Only pro holocaust sites with no easy to find images.

Originally posted by filosophia
reply to post by AngryCymraeg

 

I typed in holocaust aerial photos image but no images came up. Only pro holocaust sites with no easy to find images.

??? Try 'holocaust aerial photos' and then click on images to the left. They are there.

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So the soviets and nazis had a secret protocol pact dividing up poland among both sides, and the world constantly calls hitler an inter ventionist aggressor but not the soviets? I mean the soviet union killed more than germany, and communism has killed an estimated 100 million in both soviet and china. But instead of hating them, we hate germany and actually supported the soviets against the germans. WE HELPED COMMUNISTS! Let that sink in, now dissect the holocaust and look at the facts, that typhus and not gas chambers were the most likely culprit.

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Couldnt find them, if you want to post them feel free.

Okay I found them, maybe im not using a large enough magnifying glass but I dont see how anyone can discern anything other than buildings, let alone a holocaust, let alone gassing six million. Maybe you can explain what you see in these photos. What I dont see is a long line of trucks carrying supplies like millions of tons of wood or coal or zyklon b.

Originally posted by filosophia
reply to post by AngryCymraeg

 

So the soviets and nazis had a secret protocol pact dividing up poland among both sides, and the world constantly calls hitler an inter ventionist aggressor but not the soviets? I mean the soviet union killed more than germany, and communism has killed an estimated 100 million in both soviet and china. But instead of hating them, we hate germany and actually supported the soviets against the germans. WE HELPED COMMUNISTS! Let that sink in, now dissect the holocaust and look at the facts, that typhus and not gas chambers were the most likely culprit.

So you think that fascism shouldn't be fought as hard as communism? Both are equally repulsive, but at least Stalin didn't massacre millions of people just for being Jewish (he massacred millions of people to cement his position in power). And we have more than enough evidence for the gas chambers, and the shootings and the gas trucks, and so on.

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Italy had fascism. Germany had a type of fascism but used only against jews. Hitler viewed it as a fighting fire with fire, truthful propaganda vs. the allied propaganda which he viewed as false. I dont claim to be a national socialist, but that is what he viewed his movement as, National meaning German, and Socialist meaning taking care of the workers. Not fascism. Mussolini in Italy trying to make the trains run on time was fascism.

Originally posted by filosophia
I can hear the pro holocausters foaming at the mouth when I say this, so Ill say it again: what if he was framed, and it was all soviet atrocities.

You really, really need a history lesson and should read this.

Because you are supremely misguided to the point of blatant obtuseness and I have to wonder if you aren't just trolling here at this point.

Originally posted by filosophia
reply to post by AngryCymraeg

 

Italy had fascism. Germany had a type of fascism but used only against jews. Hitler viewed it as a fighting fire with fire, truthful propaganda vs. the allied propaganda which he viewed as false. I dont claim to be a national socialist, but that is what he viewed his movement as, National meaning German, and Socialist meaning taking care of the workers. Not fascism. Mussolini in Italy trying to make the trains run on time was fascism.

Hitler's own writings however showed his plan for Germany - he wanted Lebenstraum, or land in Russia, he wanted Germany to be 'free ' of Jews, he wanted the Slavic peoples to be repressed. His plans for Russia were monstrous - he wanted to build settlements in Russia using German soldier-settlers, with the Russians turfed off their own land and reduced to small numbers through starvation. You can find all this in Mein Kampf (a book that showed how little he understood about the world), the Second Book, his Table Talk and the transcripts from his military conferences (which again show that the man was an idiot). He had to be stopped.

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Looking at the photos more closely, and zooming in on the buildings, the only discernible thing, one has to wonder why there are so many barracks. If you were running a death camp, why would you need so many barracks? I counted at least 170 on just the right side. Each holding a few hundred prisoners, and you have thousands of prisoners, alive, that you have to feed, at a death camp, it just makes no sense. But getting back to the aerial photos, it does not prove in any way a holocaust was taking place. I read that the photos were taken on accident during bombings which actually killed prisoners according to wikipedia.

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I dont deny that hitlet had a boycott of jews, that could be inferred from reading mein kampf. He thought jews were responsible for all the worlds evil. I dont necessarily agree with that but that does not mean I must believe he killed six million jews especially when I know his only orders were to deport the jews. So that was the atrocity, jews getting kicked out of germany and having to go to israel and america.

Originally posted by filosophia
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Looking at the photos more closely, and zooming in on the buildings, the only discernible thing, one has to wonder why there are so many barracks. If you were running a death camp, why would you need so many barracks? I counted at least 170 on just the right side. Each holding a few hundred prisoners, and you have thousands of prisoners, alive, that you have to feed, at a death camp, it just makes no sense. But getting back to the aerial photos, it does not prove in any way a holocaust was taking place. I read that the photos were taken on accident during bombings which actually killed prisoners according to wikipedia.

You are forgetting that Auschwitz was a vast place that was also a mass labour camp. Auschwitz III for example provided labour for an IG Farben industrial complex. As for the photos keep looking. There are a number that show people being taken into the gas chambers. Besides - they were taken from severaol thousand feet. How much detail would it need to convince you?

Originally posted by AngryCymraeg
Hitler also had a problem with flatulence, due to the anti-gas pills and other 'medicines' that his quack of a doctor, Morell, kept giving him. By the end of the war the man was a physical and mental wreck.

Indeed. He was pumped full of all sorts of drugs to 'keep him going' towards the end...and of course the Strychnine in those flatulence pills couldn't have been doing him much good a all. And yet, despite all that, he still managed to keep going. But we are somewhat detracting from the overall point I was making, that Hitler was the only monster in that game of war.

Churchill won. He was certainly the better leader, but as a man, was he any better?