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Calling all Debunkers, and anyone who thinks Holocaust Denial is offensive, debunk this!

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posted on Jul, 26 2012 @ 11:36 AM
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Again, your ignorance is blooming.

Each section of camps and countries did different things. In Poland, they were starved to death, in the Soviet Union, it was killing squads, from Germany they were switched to Auschwitz.

The ones that worked hard and did well tended to be left alone. It was the weak and sick and just pure discretion that others got gassed or shot.

BTW, there is Allied photograph evidence from a fly over that the chimney's and holes are there. And befor you try to say that the photos were tampered with, NASA investigated the photos and found that they have not been tampered with.

And your hero, Leuchter, has been dismissed on every claim, when Zyklon B was found in the gas chambers and delousing chambers by a forensic laboratory in 1994.
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posted on Jul, 26 2012 @ 12:07 PM
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Mein kampf was written before the soviet invasion yet that was included in mein kampf so I dont see why the holocaust is a special instance.



posted on Jul, 26 2012 @ 12:10 PM
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The official story says in auschwitz they were gassed, yet the gas chamber has a glass window, opens inward, and a handle on the inside. No zyklon b residue in the gas chambers despite the official story claiming four million were gassed, but in the nineties this was reduced down to, REVISED, to one million. So who are the real revisionists? The zionist governments.



posted on Jul, 26 2012 @ 12:12 PM
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No proof to back up my claim lol, now you are being ridiculous. The proof is the official photos, evidence of starvation and disease, not gassings. Plus you are actually a denier yourself to say some prisoners were starved to death. The official story is 6 million were gassed no more no less.



posted on Jul, 26 2012 @ 02:06 PM
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Originally posted by filosophia
reply to post by nixie_nox
 


Mein kampf was written before the soviet invasion yet that was included in mein kampf so I dont see why the holocaust is a special instance.


Please clarify this, as it makes no sense whatsoever.



posted on Jul, 26 2012 @ 02:08 PM
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Originally posted by filosophia
reply to post by nixie_nox
 


The official story says in auschwitz they were gassed, yet the gas chamber has a glass window, opens inward, and a handle on the inside. No zyklon b residue in the gas chambers despite the official story claiming four million were gassed, but in the nineties this was reduced down to, REVISED, to one million. So who are the real revisionists? The zionist governments.


All incorrect.



posted on Jul, 26 2012 @ 02:09 PM
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Originally posted by filosophia
reply to post by nixie_nox
 


No proof to back up my claim lol, now you are being ridiculous. The proof is the official photos, evidence of starvation and disease, not gassings. Plus you are actually a denier yourself to say some prisoners were starved to death. The official story is 6 million were gassed no more no less.


The proof is there. I suggest you open your eyes and deny ignorance.



posted on Jul, 26 2012 @ 04:37 PM
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Holocaust denial is a special sickness reserved for the closed minded and blatantly stubborn.

Heres a good example of Nazi "hospitality"

Babi Yar



posted on Jul, 27 2012 @ 01:43 PM
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Originally posted by neformore
Holocaust denial is a special sickness reserved for the closed minded and blatantly stubborn.

Heres a good example of Nazi "hospitality"

Babi Yar





Holocaustianity is a special sickness reserved for the closed minded and blatantly stubborn.
en.m.wikipedia.org...



posted on Jul, 27 2012 @ 02:11 PM
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Originally posted by filosophia

Originally posted by neformore
Holocaust denial is a special sickness reserved for the closed minded and blatantly stubborn.

Heres a good example of Nazi "hospitality"

Babi Yar





Holocaustianity is a special sickness reserved for the closed minded and blatantly stubborn.
en.m.wikipedia.org...


Ok, that's repulsive. Holocaust denial is a denial of basic history, and has been disproved so many times that it's stupid.



posted on Jul, 27 2012 @ 02:51 PM
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Originally posted by filosophia
No proof to back up my claim lol, now you are being ridiculous. The proof is the official photos, evidence of starvation and disease, not gassings. Plus you are actually a denier yourself to say some prisoners were starved to death. The official story is 6 million were gassed no more no less.


Official according to whom? I think someone is leading you up the garden path to Lala Land...

I would say that the US Holocaust Memorial Museum would count as an 'official' authority...


German SS and police murdered nearly 2,700,000 Jews in the killing centers either by asphyxiation with poison gas or by shooting. In its entirety, the "Final Solution" called for the murder of all European Jews by gassing, shooting, and other means. Approximately six million Jewish men, women, and children were killed during the Holocaust -- two-thirds of the Jews living in Europe before World War II.

www.ushmm.org...

If you can find just one recognised authority on the Holocaust or the Second World War in general, who claims that six million Jews were killed by gassing...I'll eat my hat.

Even wikipedia doesn't make such a claim...


Since 1945, the most commonly cited figure for the total number of Jews killed has been six million. The Yad Vashem Holocaust Martyrs' and Heroes' Remembrance Authority in Jerusalem, writes that there is no precise figure for the number of Jews killed. The figure most commonly used is the six million attributed to Adolf Eichmann, a senior SS official.[242] Early calculations range from 5.1 million from Raul Hilberg, to 5.95 million from Jacob Leschinsky. Yisrael Gutman and Robert Rozett in the Encyclopedia of the Holocaust estimate 5.59–5.86 million.[243] A study led by Wolfgang Benz of the Technical University of Berlin suggests 5.29–6.2 million.[244][245] Yad Vashem writes that the main sources for these statistics are comparisons of prewar and postwar censuses and population estimates, and Nazi documentation on deportations and murders.[244] Its Central Database of Shoah Victims' Names currently holds close to 3 million names of Holocaust victims, all accessible online. Yad Vashem continues its project of collecting names of Jewish victims from historical documents and individual memories.[246]

Hilberg's estimate of 5.1 million, in the third edition of The Destruction of the European Jews, includes over 800,000 who died from "ghettoization and general privation"; 1,400,000 killed in open-air shootings; and up to 2,900,000 who perished in camps. Hilberg estimates the death toll of Jews in Poland as up to 3,000,000.[247] Hilberg's numbers are generally considered to be a conservative estimate, as they typically include only those deaths for which records are available, avoiding statistical adjustment.[248]

British historian Martin Gilbert arrived at a "minimum estimate" of over 5.75 million Jewish victims.[249] Lucy S. Dawidowicz used pre-war census figures to estimate that 5.934 million Jews died (see table below).[250]

en.wikipedia.org...

No-one, not a single official or historian claims that six million were killed by gassing. Only Holocaust denial propagandists make that claim, erroneously, knowing that the majority of their readership would never dream of picking up a book and researching the subject for themselves.



posted on Jul, 27 2012 @ 02:54 PM
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Originally posted by filosophia
The official story says in auschwitz they were gassed, yet the gas chamber has a glass window, opens inward, and a handle on the inside. No zyklon b residue in the gas chambers despite the official story claiming four million were gassed, but in the nineties this was reduced down to, REVISED, to one million. So who are the real revisionists? The zionist governments.


The gas chamber that you refer to, at Auschwitz, is a post-war reconstruction. The Germans levelled the actual gas chamber to the ground prior to liberation of the camp.



posted on Jul, 27 2012 @ 03:10 PM
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And a link to a Soviet famine does what, exactly?

Does it overturn the historical records of the Nazi slaughter at Babi-Yar? No.

Does it prove that you want to grab at any particular straw to back up your argument? Yes.



posted on Jul, 27 2012 @ 03:30 PM
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Originally posted by filosophia
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Interesting how much scorn you show for the unbelievers and yet you can not provide one piece of evidence to back it up. If hitler dreamed of one day holocausting jews, why wouldnt he write about it in mein kampf? Like he did the soviet invasion which tipped them off. How is it a holocaust could be engineered with no written instructions? Even pro holocaust documentaries state that hitlers underlings disobeyed orders to pack more prisoners into baracks, so isnt it possible the Germans who abused prisoners were traitors? There is even a German guard on record getting the death penalty for abusing jewish prisoners, why would that happen if there was a holocaust going on. At one point official sources said that every branch of government, even post office, was dedicated to the holocaust. How is this possible if nothing was written down?


What was the German guard's name? The one who was given the death penalty.

The Wannsee Protocol, the minutes of the Wannsee Conference where the Final Solution to the Jewish Question was agreed;

www.writing.upenn.edu...

On the 24th November 1938, when addressing the Das Schwarze Korps, Himmler stated;


This stage of our development will impose upon us the vital necessity to exterminate this Jewish sub-humanity, as we exterminate all criminals in our ordered country by the fire and the sword. The outcome will be the final catastrophe for Jewry in Germany, it's total annihilation.


The Villa, the Lake, the Meeting by Mark Rosebaum. Page 20


For us, this is not a problem you can turn a blind eye to-one to be solved by small concessions. For us, it is a problem of whether our nation can ever recover its health, whether the Jewish spirit can ever really be eradicated. Don't be misled into thinking you can fight a disease without killing the carrier, without destroying the bacillus. Don't think you can fight racial tuberculosis without taking care to rid the nation of the carrier of that racial tuberculosis. This Jewish contamination will not subside, this poisoning of the nation will not end, until the carrier himself, the Jew, has been banished from our midst.

Hitler, 30th January 1939


When Hell asked Hitler what he intended doing if he ever had full freedom of action against the Jews, his response was:

"If I am ever really in power, the destruction of the Jews will be my first and most important job. As soon as I have power, I shall have gallows after gallows erected, for example, in Munich on the Marienplatz-as many of them as traffic allows. Then the Jews will be hanged one after another, and they will stay hanging until they stink. They will stay hanging as long as hygienically possible. As soon as they are untied, then the next group will follow and that will continue until the last Jew in Munich is exterminated. Exactly the same procedure will be followed in other cities until Germany is cleansed of the last Jew!"


www.ess.uwe.ac.uk...

There is ample evidence both of intent and planning. And, despite your claims to the contrary, Mein Kampf does state that Germany, and even the proposed Pan-Germanic Empire, should consist of a singe ethnic group, namely Germans. Every action undertaken by the Germans in the occupied territories confirms the veracity of that intent. I suggest that you read Mein Kampf for yourself, instead of relying on the word of others as to it's content.

In terms of the concentration camps, and 'Hitler's orders'...what orders are those? Could you please give me an example of one of these orders, issued by Hitler? Himmler was in charge of the camps, and that task was de facto delegated the Theodore Eicke. Such was the nature of the Fuhrer Prinzip. All Hitler ever had to say, was that the Jews had to go, beyond that, it was not his concern. The hows, whys and wherefores, didn't matter, just the getting it done. Hitler, according to all accounts, didn't want to know, and we know that Martin Bormann vetted Himmler's reports and refused Himmler access to Hitler during the peak of the killing. Hitler didn't care how the job got done, and all efforts were made, in the case of the German Jews, to force emigration out of Germany, but that route proved too slow and ineffective. Only as a last resort was mass murder discussed. Of course no such quandary was experience in the case of the Polish and Eastern European Jews, they were simply murdered without question, but in the case of the German and Northern European Jews there was much moral wrangling, all of which is documented in correspondence between the various Gauleiters.



posted on Jul, 27 2012 @ 03:37 PM
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For good measure...Aktion 1005...the operation, ordered by Himmler to go back and conceal the evidence of the Holocaust and the Einsatzgruppen killing squads...

en.wikipedia.org...

From the testimony of Paul Blobel, who headed up both Babi Yar and the operation to cover it up, and who was so broken by the ordeal of murder that he undertook at Babi Yar, that he had to be institutionalised for alcoholism and extreme mental fatigue...


I myself witnessed the burning of corpses in a mass grave near Kiev during my visit in August 1943. This grave was about 55 meters long, 3 metres wide and 2 and half meters deep.

When the cover had been lifted, the bodies were covered with fuel and set on fire. It took about two days for the grave to burn down. I myself saw that the grave became red-hot right down to the ground.

Afterwards the grave was filled in, and thus all traces were as good as eliminated. Owing to the approach of the front, it was not possible to destroy the mass graves further to the south and the east, resulting from the executions of the Einsatzgruppen.


www.holocaustresearchproject.org...



posted on Jul, 27 2012 @ 04:10 PM
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The soviet despotism lasted far longer than the national socialists, so by bringing up an equal wikipedia article I show that your claim is irrelevant since the soviets showed equal inhumane treatment. But, the soviet famine is based around famine, not gassings, lampshade skin, jewish soap, mattresses full of jewish hair, also, the soviets did not waste time shaving prisoners hair. They just shot them. The holofraud is as ridiculous as the official story of 9/11. The fact that you can not see this is disheartening.



posted on Jul, 27 2012 @ 04:15 PM
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Originally posted by filosophia
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The soviet despotism lasted far longer than the national socialists, so by bringing up an equal wikipedia article I show that your claim is irrelevant since the soviets showed equal inhumane treatment. But, the soviet famine is based around famine, not gassings, lampshade skin, jewish soap, mattresses full of jewish hair, also, the soviets did not waste time shaving prisoners hair. They just shot them. The holofraud is as ridiculous as the official story of 9/11. The fact that you can not see this is disheartening.


No one is claiming that the Stalinist purges were any less humane than the actions of the Germans. But you are doing the reverse. Why are you right and everyone else is wrong?

Could you please link me to a site, or provide me with the source of the 'official story' of the Holocaust that you keep mentioning?

Thanks.



posted on Jul, 27 2012 @ 04:16 PM
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Well, Hitler said gallows, not gas chambers


So are you now gonna say hitler didnt mean gallows but gas chambers? Gallows would be effective, like during the french revolution, financed and controlled by the jewish run illuminati, but gas chambers is not as effective, not as open to public display, and the cleanup would be near impossible with prisoner labor, and the hair shaving is irrelevant. So wondering what you would say about that.



posted on Jul, 27 2012 @ 04:20 PM
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But by obsessing about the holocaust we do ignore the soviet tragedy. The website was taken offline, another censored website is zioncrimefactory.com

America and the Soviets both worked to destroy Germany during world war 2, so while Stalin is the usual suspect, Lenin and Trotsky, both Jews, are hidden from view, I wonder why. Now is your cue to call me the idiotically termed anti semite which I am not since I support the Palestinian semites. I am anti zionist, not anti jew despite your dream of me being a jew hater. Have a nice day



posted on Jul, 27 2012 @ 04:24 PM
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Let me break down some official revisions of the holocaust story

Lampshades made of human skin
Soap made up Jewish fat
mattresses made of Jewish hair
Shrunken heads
4 million dead at Auschwitz OFFICIALLY changed, REVISED to 1.1 million.

So that is why people have a hard time believing the holocaust. Believe whatever you want, dont trust me, but Im only here because my two year old thread is now suddenly the only thread of substance in a humiliating and disrespectful sub category LOL, of which I am now defending. The mods brought this on to themselves.



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