First off, the word "Jewish" is properly capitalized. Please show at least that little bit of respect.

Second, numbers aside, were the atrocities known to have happened any worse if they were done on just 600 instead of the estimated 6 million? There were groups of people, chosen for several reasons, who were deprived of their worldly goods, transported in cattle cars to camps which did not have any amenities as showers or toilets, tattooted like cattle, housed in cramped quarters which spread disease, given little food, and worked to death.
How can this not be seen as a crime against humanity, if even to just 60 people?
What would be the price paid by someone for doing such a thing today to just 6 people?
Or even only one?

Supposed they only shaved heads at one camp. That makes it okay? And removing their clothes for prison garb to control disease only works if the clothing given was kept clean. These camps had laundries? The same would apply to bedding, and sewage. Were clean conditions met at these camps? If even 10 people died as a result of a "disinfectant", why was it okay to continue using it? If disease was a problem, where were the medical staff to combat it? These camps had hospitals? What is considered to be a healthy weight, and which camps supplied enough of a healthy diet to maintain that weight?
How many mass graves were dug? No one really knows that. How many tons of cremains were disposed of? How many people were needed to produce those cremains?
And most telling for me, why take the children? Did the camps have schools, health care, good diet, etc for children? Were children enemies of the state for anything other than their heritage?


When do you think that makes any of it less horrible?

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Just realized you posted the same link?? The site you're linking says they were transferred?? Oooops, fail.


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You should read the whole article then before jumping to conclusions. Priority Inmates were put on the death march; some weren't, some escpaed, some hid, some played dead. Are you being disingenious or did you just not properly read the article?

How could there be survivors to tell their stories if they werent transfered or released?

What's with this all-or-nothing-at-all kind of thinking? Not every single concentration camp inmate was marched to death - the people who were going to be killed anyways (mainly jews, also some others) were marched to death. Some Kapos and inmates with preferential treatment didn't Some hid. Some fled. It was total chaos.

It did not happen in a uniform matter. Every camp has it's own unique story of the last days. Auschwitz was not one single facility but an area containing many seperate facilities. Many of the forced-labor inmates weren't marched to death but simply abandonded. There is no general rule as to who met which faith in the last days but generally the jews and dissidents were especially selected for death marches - other weren't that diligently included.

I don't know where the contradiction you are hinting at is. They did not have the capability do kill EVERY SINGLE camp inmate in every camp before the allies arrived. Did you honestly expect them to do so? It was a very chaotic time and through the whole of 1945 the picture gets very complex and individual for each of the camps - even for the camps within an area sharing a name such as Auschwitz.


And about the whole Gas chamber thing. What you fail to notice is that the gas chamber in Auschwitz is a model replica. It was never used and was never intended to be operational - it is there solely to illustrate. Did you honestly expect them to build an operational gas chamber for the sake of historical accuracy??

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I know many in my family who would beg to differ. 6 or 6 million it happened... Yes it did...
But you did not get all of us hey?

Better luck next time xxxx

Eisenhower, when he toured the camps after VE Day, ordered full documentation for those who he knew would later try to deny the atrocities ever happened. I believe he was thinking about some of the people who visit ATS.

I've got a gazillion questions and I'd love to find out everyone elses opinion/thoughts on this. Another question I have is...why would the germans waste the time and effort on an operation on Elie Weisels foot? Wouldnt they have just killed him? There are just too many conflicting stories for me to buy the whole holocaust story. I'm not saying I dont believe any of it. I'm sure there were heinous crimes but not 4 million of them. I've gotta bolt for now. I'll be back to read and ask some more, I'm sure of it..

Thanks, Kim

Originally posted by Demetre
. Another question I have is...why would the germans waste the time and effort on an operation on Elie Weisels foot?
Thanks, Kim

Elie Wiesel was not selected for extermination but was condemned to forced hard labor at a subcamp. Forced laborers had access to very primitive and rudimentary medical treatment. "Operation" (minor surgery?), as I remember the story from years ago - is not an adequate word. He had an inflamed foot and rather than let him die and therefore waste his labor potential they granted him treatment at a primitive, inmate-run infirmary. There's no contradiction in that. I believe he was sorting electrical equipment at the Buna facility if I remember correctly.

Again you are working under the impression that all and every jew(s) that was deported to a camp was imediatly selected for rapid extermination. No one - not even the most hardcore of Zionists - makes any such a claim. Only a certain part was selected and condemned to death by gassing. The rest was worked to death through forced labor (or nastier things)-.-- Some of those survived. Not all inmates were jews. There were different levels of hierarchy amongst the inmates. It really isn't that uniform a story.



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as a jew with relatives present and gone who had the tattoo and stories to go along with said tattoo.
the only thing i question at times is the 6 million number.
sometimes i think more, sometimes i think it was less.
nut the holocaust was undoubtedly real.

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