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Originally posted by ken10
But what if the bigger picture was the original intention to send all these jews to Palestine to create the Zionist state that is Israel.
I don't think any jews who had successful businesses would have voluntarily packed up to start afresh in a Desert........And i don't think a state could be justified for just a few.
Just more things to consider.
Well not too many made it did they hehe... That could have been the plan, but it didn't play out like that, and the Nazi propaganda against them was extremely bad to suggest that really wasn’t the true plan.
Originally posted by neformore
Originally posted by LordBucket
If you keep telling people that they hate jews, eventually they might start to believe you.
Heres a list of genocides in history
Show me a thread on ATS that claims the numbers were less than stated for any other genocide except the holocaust in WW2.
There is a reason why you can't, and its nothing to do with "accuracy".
I would like to see an official study with documented information regarding it as this would be more trust -worthy.
[…]Nachdem sich bei zahlreichen Durchgasungsobjekten aus der üblichen Beobachtung heraus bereits Gewißheit über den 100-prozentigen Abtötungserfolg auch bei Raumtemperaturen bis -10°C ergeben hatte, wurden in einigen dafür besonders geeigneten Kasernengebäuden die obigen Fragen eingehender geprüft. Nachfolgend seien einige der Untersuchungsergebnisse zusammengestellt.[..]
Translation by Nichirasu:
[…]After the observation made on numerous “Durchgasungsobjekte” that the 100% kill-rate can also be observed by room temperatures down to -10 degrees Celsius, additional tests were made in Garrison facilities that were especially useful for this purpose, above questions have been reviewed more thoroughly. Following a composition of these Test-results can be found.[..]
Even supposing that the second muffle did not consume heat, the cremation of two cadavers would on average have needed 15 [=30 ÷ 2] kg of coke.
Zimmerman imagines that the average coke consumption of "about 3.5 kilograms per body" depends on "multiple" cremations, which, according to the data in Bischoff's letter of 28 June 1943, means that the Birkenau ovens cremated four cadavers in a single muffle in one hour.
However i don't think that would be possible in a lot of countries, Due to current holocaust denial laws !!!
Originally posted by mazzroth
That should put some perspective into the Hologram.... I mean Holocaust.
Originally posted by mazzroth
1. Hitler and his party colluded with Zionist's and through this document called "The Transfer Agreement" they relocated Jews from Europe to Palestine to give them their Homeland.
2. The Zionist's then betrayed Hitler after he was used up and to make the Deal legitimate they sided up to the Allies and used the Nuremberg trials to seal the deal for sympathy for Jews and instigate foundations for the nation of Israel.
3. The real war atrocity's were the Dresden fire bombing, Hiroshima and Nagasaki but they were not discussed at Nuremberg. That in fact the 2 main scientist's involved in making the Nuclear Bombs were Jewish.
4. Its ok to be Anti-Semite if you are demonizing the Semitic Arabs of the Middle East, but say anything about the Semitic Jews and you have a plethroa of Departments attack you.
5. History has been re-written to stop you from questioning the lies and now they have to make laws to prevent Israel from being seen as illegitimate Internationally.
An estimated 197,464 prisoners passed through the Mauthausen camp system between August 1938 and May 1945. At least 95,000 died there. More than 14,000 were Jewish.
Another killing method, favored by the SS during the winter season, was to gather a group of prisoners in the garage yard and order them to undress. A guard then sprayed water over the group which was left to freeze to death. This was quite effective in a region where the winter temperature usually was around minus 10 degrees Celsius.
Originally posted by SeaWind
reply to post by NichirasuKenshin
Nichirasu Kenshin, thank you so much for your excellent posts here!
Incidently, I'm neither Jewish nor Christian (I don't belong to any organized religion -- although I believe in God as the supreme organizing intelligence of the universe).
Since you're a serious scholar, I respect your opinion on the Holocaust.
Can you recommend good general books on the Holocaust for lay people?
I can see how difficult it is to come up with an accurate number of Jews murdered in the Holocaust. I agree the figure is in the multi-millions.
Has any scholar tried to come up with an accurate number of murdered Jews?