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Originally posted by ken10
Just more things to consider.
Originally posted by NichirasuKenshin
So I'm not sure how things stand as far as quote mining goes. This seems to be a clear example of quote mining by Mattogno in order to support his view. What I find expecially telling is the last paragraph, taken from Romanov's correspendence with Mattogno.
Do you notice the total contradiction? He basically admits to the ambiguity yet he scolds Zimmerman to be a deliberate liar. IMHO, the quoted part above does clearly show that it is bogus to cite these Smersh interrogation transcripts in support of the "1 per oven or bust" argument.
From my reading; and this won't surprise you, Zimmerman's interpretation of those transcripts seems way more honest. At least Zimmerman notes the amiguity. But overall I would say it is pretty obvious that Prüfer was talking about the inability of the whole machinery to dispose of "such a number of corpses" and did not say that you could only put one corspe into the oven at a time or it would bust.
I say this part supports the "official/traditional" view (as you call it), but it probably is to ambigious to be a "smoking gun". This should count for the revisionist side too, especially when Mattogno admits to the ambiguity.
Well, the relevant parts are all quoted above. Anyone can form his own opinon.
Originally posted by NichirasuKenshin
3 arguments for open pit burning:
Originally posted by PplVSNWO
Originally posted by NichirasuKenshin
3 arguments for open pit burning:
I have already post arguments agains open pit burning above on why there where no mass open pit burnings, especially during the alleged time frame.
I see no evidence in your excerpts that refutes Mattagno's findings on open air burnings, just hearsay ie Here's photos of pits where eye witnesses where said to have seen open pit burnings.
Where is the proof of these mass burnings?
Originally posted by PplVSNWO
reply to post by NichirasuKenshin
Please don't reduce Mattogno's research on Sanderkation 1005 to just he would you say it's Soviet propaganda. How about reading why it's known to be Soviet invention. Linked from a book by Mattogno: Chapter VII:The Role of the Einsatzgruppen in the Occupied Eastern Territories
It's too long to post, so you have to go to section 4. Operation 1005.
Originally posted by NichirasuKenshin
reply to post by PplVSNWO
Let's just keep to the parts I quoted. It is your contention that Prüfer categorically stated that it is impossible to put 2 bodies into 1 oven?
I don't think so.
I'll have to look into the rest, I'm not that far yet. There's literally dozens of ways in which they could have burned the victims. (Combinations of cycles etc.)...
But can I extrapolate from your answer that the argument is that there was not enough fuel at Auschwitz to burn that many victims?
Pluse I think open pit burning is pretty much undeniable at this point. But anyways.
Originally posted by Studenofhistory
So the bottom line for me at this point in time is that yes jews were systematically killed by the nazis, that 2.5-3.5 million were killed and no, gas chambers were not used for killing. Does it matter if the number is 2.5 million instead of 6 million? Yes I think it does. The truth is horrible enough. It doesn't have to be exaggerated and the German people don't deserve to be vilified(and pay compensation) forever for deaths that did not occur.
Originally posted by PplVSNWO
No, neither I nor Mattogno has said it is impossible to burn two bodies in one baffle? Is that what you are extrapolating from Mattogno's paper?
None of which there is any proof of. Is "eyewitness" testimony all you have for alternative cremation methods?
Sure, there seems to have been enough fuel for the cremations that there is record of, but not enough fuel for anywhere near the claimed number of cremations.
See, there isn't any denying that open pit burning took place. There is just absolutely no evidence, and in fact there is evidence to the contrary, that large numbers(ie en masse) of bodies where burned in deep open air pits. I have posted two different papers in a post a page back that refutes the open air cremations fables at Auschwitz.
Now, while you accuse me of posting information that you think you have already posted a refutation too, it seems you are starting to make a habit of it yourself.
Edit- Why is somebody following you and giving a star for everyone one of your posts, even when there is no real content? Others have been making good posts and get no stars? Somebody using Megaphone possibly?