6 Americans on medical team killed in Afghanistan

"We are a humanitarian organization. We had no security people. We had no armed guards. We had no weapons," he said.

These weren't even members of the military who were killed. They were doctors with no weapons and no security. And they were shot in cold blood for what? Being in the wrong place at the wrong time after providing medical care to people in villages. They were out there helping people and were murdered for it. I hope they find the people who did this, and quickly.

[edit on 7-8-2010 by Jenna]

When I saw the news article, I assumed it meant American soldiers, but as you pointed out, these people went there on their own. The rest is speculation. Who killed them? Why would they go to a remote village in the first place? How would they know this information if they did not have military intelligence or some type of field intelligence? Did this village get bombed by al qada or America? and who killed them? This war is full of propaganda, don't believe everything you read. Just remember that the mainstream media had this information first, not the rest of us. This means they could have altered it any way they liked.

Originally posted by filosophia
Why would they go to a remote village in the first place? How would they know this information if they did not have military intelligence or some type of field intelligence?

To provide health care. Doctors Without Borders comes to mind. A remote village is a remote village regardless of country, and some doctors and nurses go out to whatever remote village they can find to give people medical care they wouldn't otherwise get.

As for how they'd find those villages, there was at least one man with them who took a different route to stop by his home. That tells me he knew where he was or he wouldn't have taken off and left the group. Not hard to find places if you have someone who knows the area with you.

reply to post by Jenna


There is already a thread on this here.

At the risk of coming across as extremely callous, Were these people unarmed? Most Likely.
Were they brave for doing what they were doing? Most definitely. Were they warned not to go into the area they went into ahead of time? Yes. Did they intentionally, knowingly put themselves at un-needed risk? Yes.

This is most unfortunate.

But they made a mistake in assuming that they would be viewed by the locals as being any different than the foreigner occupational forces whom have been killing their own families and children for years now.

It is commonly called WAR.

In conclusion, I hate saying this but it is also commonly known that the Intelligence community often times relies upon Humanitarian front companies in which to place foreign intelligence agents when seeking to gaining access to a new region.

I would not doubt that just perhaps the Taliban are aware of this practice as well...

first, your in a WAR ZONE that has been going on for almost 10 years..

yes, there mission is awesome and more of them need to be out there
but..

all alone? for all the freedom fighters(Taliban) knows, they could be spies or some sort..

not very smart to be wondering around in the mountains in my opionon

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Not very smart perhaps, but it's still something that should be done. The problem for me is that yeah it's a war zone, but these people aren't fighting a war they're killing everyone who looks or believes differently than they do. They target innocent civilians and either blow them up or shoot them. Yet they're still called freedom fighters. Freedom fighters don't target innocent civilians. These people do.

Doctors Without coffins

they understood it was a dangerous adventure, they are not the last to be killed in line of work. lets just move on there are 1100 people just killed few days ago from the Pakistani flooding we don't hear much about all those people do we.

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Here you go.

And yes, let's just move on and ignore the fact that innocent people are being killed for nothing more than being in the wrong place at the wrong time because it's just not important at all. You realize you didn't have to post in the thread if you don't care, right?

Originally posted by filosophia
This war is full of propaganda, don't believe everything you read. Just remember that the mainstream media had this information first, not the rest of us. This means they could have altered it any way they liked.

I find this statement funny.

Anyways, as I had said on another thread, I'm sorry for their families, but they were being fools. While they are now christian martyrs, they are also dead fools.

"Why didn't God intervene?", people may say. He did; it's called WORLD NEWS. It's called open-source information, warnings from the state dept., all the way down to the guys with US/ISAF flags on their shoulders laughing at you as you load the wagon, and telling you you're "f@#king retarded". What else does God need to do?

Originally posted by Jenna
reply to post by donteventrip

 

Not very smart perhaps, but it's still something that should be done. The problem for me is that yeah it's a war zone, but these people aren't fighting a war they're killing everyone who looks or believes differently than they do. They target innocent civilians and either blow them up or shoot them. Yet they're still called freedom fighters.

Freedom fighters don't target innocent civilians. These people do.

US/NATO kill unarmed men, women and children with drones / sf raids.. people convicted of nothing, ergo "innocent".. Yet shadowy party leader overlords (bushbama et al) have anointed themselves "king" like powers of judge, jury and executioner to summarily slaughter people guilty of noting but US govt "suspicion".

Akin to founding father days when the king brutalized / punished people without cause or due process... nazis were big fans of killing whoever they wanted.. excusing their murderous behavior with nationalistic propaganda in defense of what national socialists called the "Heimat" (homeland).. subjecting unpatriotic Germans and jews to "verscharfte vernehmung" (enhanced interrogation) assisted by a paramilitary gang of thugs known as "schwarz wassen" (blackwater)

Eye for an eye... who is to say this wasn't an angry, er.. "radicalized" mob looking for payback after a US air strike decimate their wedding? or that one of the "innocents" wasn't a CIA asset?..

Everything about the "war on terror" insult to humanity is a giant GOP & DNC LIE.. if CIA agents can be innocent "hikers", they can also be "innocent aid workers"...

Originally posted by GovtFlu
Everything about the "war on terror" insult to humanity is a giant GOP & DNC LIE.. if CIA agents can be innocent "hikers", they can also be "innocent aid workers"...

US airstrike on a village kills civilians = It's murder!!

Taliban murder civilian aid workers = Eh, they were CIA anyway; they got what was coming to them.

Sometimes, ATS reminds me of the Land of Misfit Toys.

Foreign aid workers, doctors, providing free help to remote Afghan villages...

Let's see, why would the local Taliban or enforcers of Taliban rules not want that to happen?

Minimize the dependance of the local villages on them and you minimize their control. Why would they not want to make sure this does not happen and discourage other aid workers, by sending a deadly message?

Stone cold logic. Bet it works.




[edit on 8-8-2010 by LadySkadi]

reply to post by GovtFlu


Eye for an eye? Don't be ridiculous. I wouldn't be the least bit surprised if the people responsible for killing these aid workers are the same ones who target markets full of Afghan women and children while their apologists try to claim they're targeting US troops.

Originally posted by jerico65

Originally posted by GovtFlu
Everything about the "war on terror" insult to humanity is a giant GOP & DNC LIE.. if CIA agents can be innocent "hikers", they can also be "innocent aid workers"...

US airstrike on a village kills civilians = It's murder!!

Taliban murder civilian aid workers = Eh, they were CIA anyway; they got what was coming to them.

Sometimes, ATS reminds me of the Land of Misfit Toys.

Pretty much.. the Afghanis live there and are defending themselves against an uninvited violent foreign occupier.

If the Taliban blew up a US "village" killing my friends, I'd call that murder.. if an angry mob of US citizens then found 6 Afghanis near by & summarily slaughtered them.. I wouldn't lose a wink of sleep.

Originally posted by Jenna
reply to post by GovtFlu

 

Eye for an eye? Don't be ridiculous. I wouldn't be the least bit surprised if the people responsible for killing these aid workers are the same ones who target markets full of Afghan women and children while their apologists try to claim they're targeting US troops.

Do you know what it's like to have your friends & family bombed to death an uninvited occupier who lied about why there were there? I've met them, their hatred & pain burns with the heat of 1000 suns.

I'd be motivated for payback, or "radicalized" harboring that much rage..

I certainly wouldn't turn on my fellow countrymen and join up with invaders who destroyed my neighborhood & way of life.. the cloth on a stick they wrap themselves in or rhetoric of their puppets.. means jack crap to me.

If I did join the occupiers, I'd expect me, my family, friends and any innocent person near me to be blown up at any moment.. I'd be targeted as a traitor, an enemy asset.. with that comes the realization if I'm shopping in market crowded with omnipresent "women & children" there is no "time out" or "out of bounds" in gorilla war.. it'd be foolish to assume "innocent people" around me would be spared.

Blowing up an entire market to kill ONE traitor would be a valuable lesson to everyone to shun, avoid & alienate rats who risk instant vaporization.

Kinda like how the US blows up an entire village targeting the Taliban.. after a few of those I'd imagine seeing Taliban fighters arrive in my village would be a sign to leave or risk being killed by americans.

Originally posted by GovtFlu
Pretty much.. the Afghanis live there and are defending themselves against an uninvited violent foreign occupier.

"Uninvited foreign occupier". You do know this was a civilian, unarmed medical mission, right? Not too much violence going on there.

Originally posted by GovtFlu
Blowing up an entire market to kill ONE traitor would be a valuable lesson to everyone to shun, avoid & alienate rats who risk instant vaporization.

So, according to you, it's OK for the Taliban to set off a car bomb in a market place and kill innocent civilians?

Originally posted by jerico65

Originally posted by GovtFlu
Pretty much.. the Afghanis live there and are defending themselves against an uninvited violent foreign occupier.

"Uninvited foreign occupier". You do know this was a civilian, unarmed medical mission, right? Not too much violence going on there.

You know who they "civilians" are because the news told you.. what did the people who killed them know? they were foreigners? and what else?

Apache pilots slaughter civilian reporters & kids thinking they're doing the right thing.. turnes out to be a mistake.. but it's an American "mistake" which are all excusable because our patch of cloth has neater colors..

Same rules apply to Afghanis afaik, I don't assume they knew every detail reported in the news.. they killed foreigners from occupier nations for their own reasons, er "actionable intel".. we won't know why because their side of the story doesn't get propagandized... if they thought a CIA asset was operating there and made a mistake.. they can drown their sorrows in a bar with those Apache pilots when the war is over.

Originally posted by jerico65

Originally posted by GovtFlu
Blowing up an entire market to kill ONE traitor would be a valuable lesson to everyone to shun, avoid & alienate rats who risk instant vaporization.

So, according to you, it's OK for the Taliban to set off a car bomb in a market place and kill innocent civilians?

You're assuming they were "innocent"... locals might have other info... the market could be a "den of rats", a favorite of traitors or callous occupiers who think women & children offer inoculation from attack... we don't get the Afghan side do we?

US govt claims authority to target the so called enemy anywhere at anytime, so according to me angry Afghanis can do the same... war is hell.

NATO / US wouldn't be killing & compromising them, they wouldn't retaliate for their reasons if george w obamao and his warmongering DC crip & blood mafia gave up on this immoral insult to humanity.