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Originally posted by VneZonyDostupa
reply to post by warequalsmurder
Please read your links more thoroughly, Warismurder. The "partisan groups" you are talking about are groups of youths vandalizing police/government buildings. They aren't partisans, they aren't revolutionaries, they aren't armed, organized militias.
VneZonyDostupa
As for the "Red Towns" usage, you keep going back to this defense that it's "used within the mafia", so of course I wouldn't find it online. But then, you talk about your friends telling you, and that so many towns are called "red towns". Please stop being such a willfully ignorant troll and just admit you were wrong. If the phrase were so common that your friends were telling you about it, it would have worked it's way into Russian political blogs and newspapers.
Originally posted by warequalsmurder
In the cases of Orel and Astrakhan it was reported that they did indeed appear to be organized.
Also on 7/20/10 (provided in my link), in Orel they used bottles filled with explosive fluids (Molotov Cocktails to some.) thrown through the windows of the police station, which takes premeditation (to concoct the explosives) and planning (to attack when the best chances of success can be gained against armed opponents i.e. police) in order to obtain an objective. This is organization my dear.
Near Perm in 6/12/10(provided in my link), 5 armed assailents with hooded masks shot/killed a police officer and wounded 2 other officers at a police station. They shot their police car and burned it so that nobody could follow them. They entered the police station and stole automatic weapons after neutralizing all defenders. Then they escaped with a car into the forests.
Doesn't sound like little kiddies to me!
They wore costumes (premeditation)
They attacked a police station. (premeditation and planning)
They destroyed the police car. (further organizational skills)
They killed and wounded all police present at the station. (cold calculated execution of a plan)
In any event I did tell the Readers that she would attempt to move the goal posts.
And she has not let you or me down now has she?
So, you claim that they all are disorganized now, yet I've got the evidence to prove that they are fighting the police with methods that take planning and organization (i.e. constructing bombs, attacking police stations). They are even being reported as being organized at that! Where is your evidence that these very partisans are disorganized?
People are fighting the police in Russia all over the place now regardless of your attempted whitewashing at this juncture of the debate.
Any way you try and squirm, my words of people fighting the police were true and you screwed up. You even went so far as to try and claim that there was only one instance of armed organized conflict against the police that I cited....
your exposed honey.
Now your only defense is to move the goal posts and try and sling the same mud back that was clearly branded upon your lying little fingers.
Originally posted by VneZonyDostupa
It doesn't take much organization to make a molotov cocktail. A bottle, an accelerant, and a rag. That's it. It's a relatively common gang weapon in Russia, especially among youths. You see attacks on police in America, too, mostly from the same sorts of people: youth gangs. Are the Oakland and Detroit gangs "partisan groups" to you, simply because they attack police?
VneZonyDostupa
Again, youth gangs. Police are attack in America everyday by street gangs. This doesn't make them partisan groups, it makes them thugs.
VneZonyDostupa
Once again, these are all things street/youth gangs do in America. Are they partisan groups, based on your criteria?
VneZonyDostupa
Please show me where I "moved a goal post". All I've done is point out that you are misinterpreting and article, likely based on your own faulty translation (or by using a web translation service, which doesn't show the nuances of language very well).
Originally posted by VneZonyDostupa
I never said they were disorganized. I said they weren't organized militias, which would imply some sort of political message. They are gangs of thugs who are attacking police, much like gangs of thugs in America attack police. Again, do you consider the Bloods, Crips, MS-13, or Latin Kings to be "partisan groups", or are they gangs?
VneZonyDostupa
Using your same logic, the same is happening in America. Do you agree or disagree with that? I would bet about the same number of police die in Russia each year as in America.
VneZonyDostupa
Please reread my post. I pointed out that only one instance of an armed MILITIA was shown in your articles. The rest were street gangs.
your exposed honey.
VneZonyDostupa
Reported for sexism. I've lost count of how many times you've called me "dear" and "honey". It's degrading and unnecessary.
VneZonyDostupa
Please point out my lie.
VneZonyDostupa
YOU said your friends told you about this phrase. YOU said "many towns" were called this. And yet YOU have been unable to show any use of the word in any media.