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Originally posted by rusethorcain
Also Matt 5:5-9. "Blessed are the meek, for they shall inherit the earth... Blessed are the merciful, for they shall obtain mercy... Blessed are the peacemakers, for they shall be called sons of God."
5 Blessed are the 1meek: for they shall inherit the earth. 1 Psa 37:11 6 Blessed are they which do hunger and 1thirst after righteousness: for they shall be filled. 1 Isa 55:1 7 Blessed are the 1merciful: for they shall obtain mercy. 1 Prov 11:17, Matt 6:14, Matt 18:33 8 Blessed are the 1pure in heart: for they shall 2see God. 1 Psa 24:4 2 Heb 12:14, Rev 22:4 9 Blessed are the peacemakers: for they shall be called the 1children of God. 1 Matt 5:45, Luke 6:35, Rom 8:14
Originally posted by Kapyong
Originally posted by marsvoltafan74
Religion by its nature is not intended to dominate and control but connect us with what we believe. The flawed nature is in the church not the religion. Never has a belief killed someone, only people who wrongly put that belief in action.
Christians DO commit sins which their religion tells people not to?
Which is the definition of hypocrisy.
Originally posted by autowrench
reply to post by marsvoltafan74
Actually, I have read the KJV Bible, and several other Bibles too, and the criticism aimed at Christians is well deserved in my considered opinion. Christians are against anything fun, and they are anti: gays, abortion, yoga, meditation, psychological counselling, reflexology, acupuncture, tai chi, martial arts, ayurvedic medicine, biofeedback etc. They claim that acupuncture, yoga and meditation invoke a demonic spiritual power since it is Eastern mysticism. They hate Wiccans, Muslims, Pagans, and any other religious faith that is not them.
They claim the only way to get to Heaven is to: Take Jesus, (a made up godman) into your heart and soul, that is, give over your immortal soul to a man who lived a long time ago.
Christians claim all ET beings are Demons, and that means all of the Creator's created beings on all planets.
Answer your question fully, OP?
Originally posted by adjensen
I don't criticize your (or anyone's) beliefs, aside from correcting misrepresentations of my faith and poor logical arguments intended to make a case against Christianity (as above.) I support your right to not believe, and appreciate the insights that thoughtful atheists and agnostics bring to many discussions.
I have a rather extensive knowledge of christian theology, history, doctrines and 'schismatology', whereas a considerable part of the christians I have debated with hardly know the bible, even less the consequences of the various christian doctrines (bible-based or not) and in the case of other religions christians often INVENT 'facts' about them.
So who ARE the real christians? Those who can find the 'right' interpretation? You need another two thousand years and another two thousand schisms?
Maybe you can even agree on, that the book of confusion CAN be read any old way, but then what makes any of you christians at all?
Originally posted by Tripple_Helix
reply to post by bogomil
In my opinion, the people who have taken the time to properly research the subject and question the scriptures with healthy caution- are the people who end up either Agnostic or Atheist.
I think that one must understand that most people have been spoon fed with ideals and doctrines, but have hardly ever taken the time to weigh the pros and cons themselves. Most leave their bible study for church days and that's pretty much where their 'research' ends
They see their religion or belief system as an extension of themselves- so, when one criticizes or questions their religion, they take it as a personal attack rather than a healthy debate on the subject. I think they feel that one is criticizing or questioning them.
Personal experiences override even the most skeptical of reasoning.
Originally posted by bogomil
I dare any christian to start a serious dialogue with me from as deep a platform as you wish. Please don't offend my or your own intelligence by suggesting bible-citations as such a 'deep' platform. whereas I e.g. would consider a discussion of 'faith' per se as a reasonable subject.
Former experiences have shown, that NO christians are willing to risk entering such a risky business. Come, deliever the sermons, and run before anything can threaten your schemes.
Or, they do not feel the need to debate with people or are not debaters of any kind. I think, sure, there are those that you describe, but to claim them as the majority is purely speculative. In fact I know many Christians that are profound intellectuals and believe what they do for very good reasons.
I think what people of your position are not taking into account is that perhaps Christians, in fact, do have valid reasoning and evidence for their beliefs. Additionally, they have personal experiences that lead to no other conclusion.
This is true, but can this not apply to all beliefs as well? Certainly it does to politics. Also, consider that many times we, in fact, do face attacks or criticism's.
For example, even though you use tact, your first assertion still implys that anyone with who can think for themselves is either an agnostic or atheist. Since I am not an agnostic or atheist, I can only come to the conclusion that you mean I cannot think for myself. I think most people would be defensive in such a situation.