It looks like you're using an Ad Blocker.
Please white-list or disable AboveTopSecret.com in your ad-blocking tool.
Some features of ATS will be disabled while you continue to use an ad-blocker.
You can get away with libeling JPZ because he is just a user name and it can't harm me in my real life.
So by your admission and by your "natural law", I have done you no harm so therefore no crime has been committed, as for FIJA, I doubt that one malcontent really can do them harm, besides, I can just hand the jury FIJA pamphlets and get away with it if for some god knows reason it does wind up in court.
Dissatisfied with existing conditions. n.
1. A chronicallydissatisfied person.
2. One who rebels against the established system: "immature malcontents who have long since sold out to conformity" (John M. Wilson).
Apparently suddenly you are new to this site, members on this site defame people and organizations constantly. Just look at the threads about the POTUS for example.
FIJA can do what they will, I stand by my remarks about them and if called to defend them in court I will do so.
I know of no bigger hypocrite in this site than you, but this thread is not about you, it is about the juries absolute right to judge both the facts of a case and the law pertaining that case.
Actually this thread isn't about that, it's about how a man was arrested for deliberately trying to tamper with juries. Whether or not he is actually guilty of said crime is also at issue.
In a telephone conversation later Julian stated that he was released from the hospital unharmed. He also said that technically he wasn't arrested, just shipped off in the ambulance.
The police called Emergency Medical Service of the NY City Fire Department to send an ambulance. I was placed on a stretcher at 12:25 pm and put into the ambulance. On the way to the hospital, two medics examined me, but I gave no response. We arrived at the NY City Downtown Hospital at 12:35 pm, and I was carried on a stretcher into the emergency ward.
I still uttered no sound nor moved a muscle. The hospital staff applied painful pressure to my chest in order to get me talk. Also a large object was place in my mouth with the intention of forcing it down my throat, but it was too large to get into my jaw. Then I was tickled by a small fine brush on my lips, nostrils, and left cornea. Still I did not move or talk.
Finally Dr. Rubinstein, an intern, begged me to talk, so I did at 1:10 pm. I said that I was all right and wanted to be discharged. He said that I would have to answer some questions, but I informed him that I was exercising my Fifth Amendment right to remain silent. He asked for my name, but I refused to divulge it.
He left me and talked with some other staff. He said that I would be discharged. He filled out some paperwork authorized by the attending Physician Antonio Dajer. Dr. Rubinstein admonished me that the Emergency Medical Service was intended only for sick people. I responded that he should so inform the Federal Protective Service. I signed the discharge paper as John Galt and left at 1:30 pm.
But it is not about the rights juries have, you have forced that into this debate and thus changed the course of this thread. Had you not forced down our throats this groups beliefs to tell juries to acquit everyone for any charge we wouldn't be at this point would we?
You saw that you were loosing the argument that this 78 year old man was in fact trying to tamper with juries by handing out "juror information" at a court house. So instead you decided to manipulate this discussion into something else.
Then because you did not like my answers you decided to pull out that old catch all of yours the fact that I wanted to be a politician so you started as early as page 3 in calling me a liar.
From then on it seemed your point was to try and paint me into a corner and attempt to anger me in such a way as to nullify any counter argument I may have by way of calling me a tyrant, a fear monger & that I advocate big government to regulate the crap out of people.
So please, don't pretend for a second that you are the innocent poster who was unwarrantably attacked by a forum bully. From the start of this thread you have veered off topic to try and make it appear that anyone that disagrees with jury tampering is some sort of vicious tyrant out to destroy rights of the people.
The title of this thread is 78 year old gets arrested for handing out FIJA pamphlets. I assumed along with the 78 year old that he was arrested. I must have been mistaken.
I believe that jury nullification is wrong for the most part and I believe that this groups whole intent is to destroy the judicial system by legislating from the jury box. I may be mistaken, but those are my beliefs and opinions on the subject.
I believe that those that employ the tenants of Natural Law are anarchists who advocate the freeing of serial killers because I believe that those who advocate Natural Law assume that no law exists other than the laws of the Jungle, I may be mistaken, but those are my beliefs and opinions on the subject.
But never, have I lied in this thread. I may be wrong, I don't believe I am, but I might be wrong, but I have not lied. I have stated my opinions as I see them, I have stated my beliefs as I have seen them, if you don't like those beliefs and opinions, that is your problem solely.
Originally posted by whatukno
reply to post by Tyrannyispeace
Hi endisnigh, how are you today?
Originally posted by Jean Paul Zodeaux
...instructs juries that they had the power to judge both the facts and the law, and look where we are now.
Therefore, the electorate, being potential jurors, have the power to establish a law, though the act of casting a ballot for it. And, because the majority of the voters have cast a ballot in favor of the law, it must be deemed to be absent abrogation and derogation, because the people, from whom all authority is derived, have declared it so.