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Originally posted by wigit
Obscene and diabolical. Can't think about stuff like that too much because a pain would set in and it would become unbearable. You need a thick skin to be able to live in this world.
Everyone involved in carrying that out is a mass murderer. And they give out medals to those same folk too. ???
Originally posted by mamabeth
reply to post by letthereaderunderstand
You are completely WRONG,WRONG,WRONG!!!
Why don't you try talking to actual survivors
Of these atomic bomb blasts yourself.Some
are still alive today!
Originally posted by ghaleon12
reply to post by letthereaderunderstand
That is the nuttiest thing I've read in awhile. Radioactive material isn't by itself hot...and it's supposed to be hot enough to boil water to create steam?
Who the heck would star those comments?
[edit on 8-8-2010 by ghaleon12]
First, they are inhabited today.
The relative size of the Chernobyl release when compared with the release due to a hypothetical ground burst of a bomb similar to the Fat Man device dropped on Nagasaki. A ground burst creates considerably more fallout than the air bursts used at Hiroshima or Nagasaki. Isotope Ratio between the release due to the bomb and the Chernobyl accident
Second, both cities have active volcanoes within miles of the cities that just so happened to be erupting during the alleged blasts.
Third, there are scant photographs of the cities before the explosions. If no one knew what they looked like before, one could assume anything could they not?
Fourth, there was a complete media blackout in reporting on the damage with no Americans being allowed into the cities with the exception of military photographers and reporters which totaled 2.
Fifth, Manzanar where most of the photo composites were most likely taken upon the camps destruction. If you look at any of the photos from Hiroshima, most only show the mountains and not the harbors except for directly over head shots. Manzanar detainment camp looks exactly like Hiroshima.
Manzanar is most widely known as the site of one of ten camps where over 110,000 Japanese Americans were imprisoned during World War II. Located at the foot of the Sierra Nevada in California's Owens Valley between the towns of Lone Pine to the south and Independence to the north, it is approximately 230 miles (370 km) northeast of Los Angeles. Manzanar (which means “apple orchard” in Spanish) was identified by the United States National Park Service as the best-preserved of the former camp sites, and was designated the Manzanar National Historic Site.
It was not the best preserved camp as nothing stands but replicas. Also California and Japan share very similar landscapes having at one time been right next to each other a long long time ago before the earths first growth spurt.
Hiroshima was an industrial Mecca in Japan. Industrial targets are the first taken out, not the last. Also, it is evident that bomb runs were done on the city which was destroyed by fire and not by the "blast". This is found in the testimony's of the men and women who had spotted 3 lonely bombers therefore, they did not sound the air raid siren on "that day". This indicates they had been performing bombing runs before August 6th, which again would be true as it was an industrial city. Again remember, the city was destroyed by fire, not the "bomb"
The reports. Have you ever read any of the eye witness accounts? I've collected about 14 of them so far. View them here Witness Testimony
I mean no disrespect to anyone, but these reports are too elaborate for simple folk going about their day to recall, especially after the shock of what just happened.
I know the Japanese are very intelligent people, but the depth of these reports and the details recalled are to much for me. I've seen people killed and it messes you up so bad you can't remember anything, unless you are trained to deal with such situations (which I was not). Your mind is protecting you in shock.
All of them use the same terminology. They remember the days air scents and how the light of the sun glistened off of the water and how everything was so perfect until 8:05, like they knew that day would be different so they took it all in first....give me a break.
For example, No one remembers what happened in a car wreck after impact because they are in shock, if they are even alive. They will remember bracing for the crash, not the crash itself or it's after math. They will awake in the ER saying "what happened?", not "I remember the smell of the tires as I slowly lifted my head to see the faces of the on coming car and the fear in the eyes of it's passengers"...Doesn't work that way.
Things may go into slow motion, but you remember nothing of the crash itself, just the bracing for it. It works the same way for any traumatic event in which people die. Life wasn't sweeter that day as to recall such vivid detail and sorrowful pain, rather to them, it was a day like any other and people in shock don't remember things so well.
Eighth. The death tolls from regular bombing runs far exceeded the death toll of the "Atom" bomb, but no one is crying for them. At the Dresden, 200,000 people were killed in one night. Conventional bombing runs on Japan killed more people then the "Bomb", but they are never even mentioned...Why?
According to official German report Tagesbefehl (Order of the Day) no. 47 ("TB47") issued on 22 March the number of dead recovered by that date was 20,204, including 6,865 who were cremated on the Altmarkt square, and the total number of deaths was expected to be about 25,000 Another report on 3 April put the number of corpses recovered at 22,096. The municipal cemetery office recorded 21,271 victims of the raids were buried in the city cemeteries, of which 17,295 were placed in the Heidefriedhof cemetery (a total that included the ashes of those cremated on the Altmarkt). Due to the number of dead and lack of labour for collection of bodies for burial and cremation, those found in shelters were cremated where they lay by flamethrowers. These numbers were probably supplemented by a number of additional private burials in other places. A further 1,858 bodies of victims were found during the rebuilding of Dresden between the end of the war and 1966. Since 1989 despite the extensive excavation for new buildings no war-related bodies have been found. The number of people registered with the authorities as missing was 35,000; around 10,000 of those were later found to be alive.
Ninth. What country has someone attack them, then after the matter, the victims blame humanity for the aggression? You will never hear a Japanese person say, "F---" America those Bastards killed my whole family". Nope, you will hear. "May Humanity learn from this lesson" and "Humanity saw such devastation, may I live to remind all our brothers and sisters nuclear weapons should never be used again". Did we tame them as if animals? I think not.
Originally posted by speculativeoptimist
reply to post by letthereaderunderstand
Hello ltru, what you speak of is intriguing and I would like to see more discussion of it. Might you start a thread so your theory can be put thru the ats ringer? I am guessing it would be an interesting journey.
Nothing can really surprise me anymore so I can't say I doubt what you say is true, with much certainty. I would like to know more however.
The Lookout Mountain Air Force Station (LMAFS) located on Wonderland Avenue, Los Angeles, California, provided in-service production of classified motion picture and still photographs to the U.S. Department of Defense and the Atomic Energy Commission from 1947-1969.
The 100,000-square-foot (10,000 m2) facility is built on 2 acres (8,100 m2) of land and was originally built in 1941 as a World War II air defense center to coordinate radar installations. The studio was established in 1947 and its purpose kept secret. The studio consisted of a complete stage, 2 screening rooms, a helicopter landing pad, a bomb shelter and 17 climate controlled film vaults as well as two underground parking garages. With the latest equipment the studio could process both 35 mm and 16 mm motion pictures as well as optical prints and still photographs. The nuclear tests at Nevada Test Site were filmed in various formats including CinemaScope, stereophonic sound, Vista Vision and 3-D photography.
On 4 October 1945, a typhoon was spotted developing in the Caroline Islands and tracked as it moved on a predictable course to the northwest. Although expected to pass into the East China Sea north of Formosa on 8 October, the storm unexpectedly veered north toward Okinawa. That evening the storm slowed down and, just as it approached Okinawa, began to greatly increase in intensity. The sudden shift of the storm caught many ships and small craft in the constricted waters of Buckner Bay (Nakagusuku Wan) and they were unable to escape to sea. On 9 October, when the storm passed over the island, winds of 80 knots (92 miles per hour) and 30-35 foot waves battered the ships and craft in the bay and tore into the quonset huts and buildings ashore. A total of 12 ships and craft were sunk, 222 grounded, and 32 severely damaged. [for listing of vessels] Personnel casualties were 36 killed, 47 missing, and 100 seriously injured. Almost all the food, medical supplies and other stores were destroyed, over 80% of all housing and buildings knocked down, and all the military installations on the island were temporarily out of action. Over 60 planes were damaged as well, though most were repairable. Although new supplies had been brought to the island by this time, and emergency mess halls and sleeping quarters built for all hands, the scale of the damage was still very large. If the war had not ended on 2 September, this damage, especially the grounding and damage to 107 amphibious craft (including the wrecking of four tank landing ships, two medium landing ships, a gunboat, and two infantry landing craft) would likely have seriously impacted the planned invasion of Japan (Operation Olympic).
so those should help people get the bigger picture of why dropping those bombs ironically might have saved more lives then they took
Transcript of "OPERATION DOWNFALL [US invasion of Japan]: US PLANS AND JAPANESE COUNTER-MEASURES" by D. M. Giangreco, US Army Command and General Staff College, 16 February 1998
Stacked up corpses were being hauled away on lorries. Everywhere there was the stench of the dead and of smoke. I saw the places on the pavement where people had been roasted to death. At last I comprehended first-hand what an air-raid meant. I turned back, sick and scared. Later I learned that 40% of Tokyo was burned that night, that there had been 100,000 casualties and 375,000 left homeless.” “A month after the March raid, while I was on a visit to Honjo on a particularly beautiful cherry-blossom day, I saw bloated and charred corpses surfacing in the Sumida River. I felt nauseated and even more scared than before.” “We ourselves were burned out in the fire raid of May 25th 1945. As I ran I kept my eyes on the sky. It was like a fireworks display as the incendiaries exploded. People were aflame, rolling and writhing in agony, screaming piteously for help, but beyond all mortal assistance.” Fusako Sasaki