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Originally posted by NOTurTypical
The fact is, it was written to Muslims, and it's not outside the realm of plausibility that when it was written we were merely playing international politics for our best interests. You may wish to base your claims on one sentence in one treaty, but I like to look at a broad collection of statements from numerous founding fathers to come to my conclusion.
Originally posted by NOTurTypical
Are you trying to assert that I stated we were formed as a Theocracy? I never claimed as such, so it's very disingenuous to make the statement we were founded upon the 'Christian RELIGION'.
However, I don't look at the exception (The treaty of Tripoli) to the rule to define the rule.
Originally posted by NOTurTypical
What I'm saying is look at all the various quotes from the fathers of this nation. The quotes from the men who created this nation. The quotes where they affirm their Christianity and it's influence in the forming of this nation. One of my favorites is from George Washington. "There is no king other than King Jesus."
Read at your leisure
The United States is in no way founded upon the christian religion. This remains a true statement.
Originally posted by NOTurTypical
reply to post by traditionaldrummer
The United States is in no way founded upon the christian religion. This remains a true statement.
Of course it does. I have no clue why you keep stating this above. I never once claimed the United States is or has ever been a Theocracy. Why are you purposefully mis-stating my position then ranting about that pseudo-position you yourself asserted??? Do you understand the term "straw man argument"?
Originally posted by NOTurTypical
You tell me how I am to reconcile the two facts, that the treaty has a single sentence refuting the notion that we are a Christian nation, and the numerous (hundreds) of quotes from the men who founded this nation stating their faith and reliance on the Christian faith in forming this nation. Either we were founded upon Christianity or we were not, it's not both ways, and unless you have more evidence than a single sentence in a single treaty to a Muslim nation then it's plain to see the preponderance of the evidence is on the quotes from the founding fathers stating the United States was founded upon Christianity.
It's an enormous logical fallacy to use the exception to the rule to define the rule. Have you heard that before?
Originally posted by NOTurTypical
reply to post by traditionaldrummer
Are you kidding me, the SECOND sentence in the Declaration of Independence declares all men have certain rights given to us by our "Creator".
Now, because the USA is still not China, (yet), you're more than welcome to cling to one obscure sentence in a treaty written to a Muslim nation. However, I myself will place my trust in the great volume of speeches, quotes, and documents that state the contrary. It's called PREPONDERANCE of the EVIDENCE.
That's "logic".
Originally posted by Annee
Heard of Solon? Solon (ancient Greek: Σόλων, c. 638 BC–558 BC) ....
Originally posted by OldThinker
reply to post by traditionaldrummer
For fun....
TD, let's just say he's right...
How would that change things for you?
OT
Originally posted by OldThinker
reply to post by traditionaldrummer
Hey thx for the quick reply...
but it wasn't a serious one
try again maybe
:shk:
If he was right it would change things for everybody, not just me