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Originally posted by OldThinker
…All are allowed to worship as they please, or not to worship at all, if they see fit. No man is molested for his religion or for his want of religion. No man is required to profess any form of faith, or to join any religious association.
. "As I understand the Christian religion, it was, and is, a revelation. But how has it happened that millions of fables, tales, legends, have been blended with both Jewish and Christian revelation that have made them the most bloody religion that ever existed?" -letter to F.A. Van der Kamp, Dec. 27, 1816 . "I almost shudder at the thought of alluding to the most fatal example of the abuses of grief which the history of mankind has preserved-- the Cross. Consider what calamities that engine of grief has produced!" -letter to Thomas Jefferson . "The priesthood have, in all ancient nations, nearly monopolized learning. And ever since the Reformation, when or where has existed a Protestant or dissenting sect who would tolerate A FREE INQUIRY? The blackest billingsgate, the most ungentlemanly insolence, the most yahooish brutality, is patiently endured, countenanced, propagated, and applauded. But touch a solemn truth in collision with a dogma of a sect, though capable of the clearest proof, and you will find you have disturbed a nest, and the hornets will swarm about your eyes and hand, and fly into your face and eyes." - letter to John Taylor . "The divinity of Jesus is made a convenient cover for absurdity. Nowhere in the Gospels do we find a precept for Creeds, Confessions, Oaths, Doctrines, and whole cartloads of other foolish trumpery that we find in Christianity." . "The question before the human race is, whether the God of Nature shall govern the world by his own laws, or whether priests and kings shall rule it by fictitious miracles?" . "Can a free government possibly exist with the Roman Catholic religion?" -letter to Thomas Jefferson . "God is an essence that we know nothing of. Until this awful blasphemy is got rid of, there will never be any liberal science in the world." . "Have you considered that system of holy lies and pious frauds that has raged and triumphed for 1,500 years?" ". . . Thirteen governments [of the original states] thus founded on the natural authority of the people alone, without a pretence of miracle or mystery, and which are destined to spread over the northern part of that whole quarter of the globe, are a great point gained in favor of the rights of mankind." . "This would be the best of all possible worlds, if there were no religion in it."
Originally posted by woodwardjnr
The only thing I thank Christians for is Christmas, and even that loses it's significance after finding out Santa Clause doesn't exist.
Originally posted by OldThinker
Originally posted by Aggie Man
Ok, I'm not militant towards people of faith, but I will take a crack at this.
One can not dictate nor legislate belief onto a free-willed individual. So, no Christians are not responsible for Atheists ability to not believe.
Thanks for your thoughts, but your "IF/THEN" statement is quite incongruent...
Originally posted by mr-lizard
I'm honestly getting sick of the attacks on atheism.
MOST atheists are passive, friendly and not militant and being honest most atheists couldn't give a damn if you worshipped a three headed sheep called Barry or a piece of magic moon rock, as long as nobody gets hurt and nothing gets broken. But considering religion is one of the biggest causes for pain and misery on the planet, i think YOU should be thanking us atheists for not ridiculing your violent beliefs.
Originally posted by GummB
Originally posted by OldThinker
Originally posted by Aggie Man
Ok, I'm not militant towards people of faith, but I will take a crack at this.
One can not dictate nor legislate belief onto a free-willed individual. So, no Christians are not responsible for Atheists ability to not believe.
Thanks for your thoughts, but your "IF/THEN" statement is quite incongruent...
I have to agree with Aggie Man here, can you please expand on why his IF/THEN statement is incongruent. It seems to be precisely what has happened in this thread and many others.
Don't get me wrong, Atheist’s are far from always right and I don't think we are "better" than anyone else.
However Christianity never influenced my Atheism, it was being raised with no religious view what-so-ever. I have to thank Christian's for my freedom of religion as much as I have to thank Muslim's for the sun.
Originally posted by GummB
reply to post by OldThinker
I am not attacking atheism...I am informing, folks can decide, thats all.
So your converting?
Originally posted by OldThinker
btw, OT's not religious
Originally posted by humbleseeker
I love Christianity I love Jesus and his teachings, but to say that athiest must thank us is upsured. I am sorry to say that for centuries christianity has persecuted anyone with other ways of thought. That is not the way of Christ. Jesus says choose this day who you will serve. Jesus never demanded. You must come to Christ of your own free will, or not.
Originally posted by OldThinker
The op is like Fox News,
Originally posted by OldThinker
so the political structure the 50 out of the 52 signers of the declaration Christians put into place that allows freedom to NOT believe...
Originally posted by Annee
I checked your profile. You have several threads like this: Christian vs Atheist.
Only you attempt to structure them in a way - - - of playing both sides of the fence.
Not buying it.
Originally posted by blupblup
Originally posted by OldThinker
The op is like Fox News,
What.... Right-wing, Fundamentalist propaganda...
At least you're honest
Originally posted by blupblup
Originally posted by Annee
I checked your profile. You have several threads like this: Christian vs Atheist.
Only you attempt to structure them in a way - - - of playing both sides of the fence.
Not buying it.
Yeah the OP has a record for sure.
Perhaps the biggest religious stirrer/troll on ATS?
Hmmmm....