reply to post by JohnySeagull
I missed replying to your stuff yesterday. But I see my viewpoint was laid out by others as well.
Yes, being a leo is one of the things on my resume. My father and grandfather were also.
I am no longer, due to some pretty serious events. But I'm now in the "surveillance" realm. Yeah, I'm a "disinfo" agent extraordinaire.
I admit, I slightly misunderstood the story a bit from the beginning. But I'm pretty sure that was the intent of the original release of the
Let me make this clear: I do NOT condone pulling over a person for minor violations and beating on his car for minor violations. That would be
Sadly, that is ONLY what the video shows. Like my original post says, it does not show the entire story. It shows what is convenient enough to shake
the sheep. The story does lay it out a bit, but people generally say..."why read when the video says it all". haha.
I interpreted this story this way:
Police see a vehicle not conforming to laws due to "safety" issues. I.E. Tinted glass. They also notice other violations and decide to roadside.
Upon engaging the emergency lights, the person does not pull over for 17 minutes. '
This situation has now engaged a new level in the use of force scale. That is the way it has to be. There has to be a scale as well. Traffic stops
are one of the most dangerous situations for leo's. Especially a vehicle with tinted windows, that is basically "failing to comply". Emergency
lights mean, pull off to the side of the road. Period. When the vehicle pulls over, and the leo approaches, the vehicle lurches at him and knocks
him over...the use of force scale quickly changes again. Intent is no longer an issue to contemplate. Ensuring the safety of everyone around, is. If
that means I have to smash out your window to get the operator out of the vehicle, then I would.
To go to your question about the seatbelt.
Laws are sometimes pushed through by the people who have suffered loss and trauma that could have been avoided by a simple seatbelt. You get a bunch
of people to lobby for the laws to be more strict in this area. They lobby because they all suffered similar circumstances. Now they want to prevent
tragedies from happening to other families. This is the people being able to effect change through their FREE society.
Sometimes, the laws they want are dumb and mostly reactionary. I agree, taking away choice seems incredibly oppressive.
Politicians making and passing laws is worse. They are MUCH more corrupt than the LEO on the street. Most street LEO's are trying to do good. The
boy scout version applies to a singular officer. Protect, serve and all that stuff.
Sadly, I will admittedly say, the system is broken. It is increasingly harder to do a job when the system seems to favor criminals over innocent.
People get frustrated. And people can be pretty volatile.
I'm in a bit different area of enforcement, and no longer a LEO or part of the para military scale at all. Mostly because it can be so different,
and paper riddled, and convoluted by corrupt officers, politicians and people.
For the record, there has always been abusive officers. Just not as many cameras. Remember the phone book method?
To maintain social order, there has to be enforcers. We don't have robo cop yet, so we have to rely on humans. And humansa are FAR from perfect.
The recruits are coming out of depot, trained to be more aggressive. Times have indeed changed. We need more aggressive people to be officers as
people are becoming much more aggressive, violent etc.
It's a very delicate balance that is skewed. I don't know if I make sense, and I don't condone over reactive behavior. I've a thread on taser
misuse as well. I'm sorry if I came off abrasive, but we are slowly losing the tools to maintain any semblance of order by people claiming to be
It is quite the opposite from a LEO's perspective. Believe me.
I think it would feel much more like a real prison, without LEO's to enforce laws, than it currently does.
I just don't like seeing cop haters jump on these videos, spreading hate, when they have not shown the whole story. Cops are KILLED by people every
day. You can google that as easily as cops who turn bad.
Everyone chastises MSM for manipulation of facts/truths etc...but never seem to remember that when they see these types of videos released by them..