just a quick question:

fake or not, what's the bouncing light on the lower right supposed to be? is there anything that looks similar that you could buy as a party decoration or whatever?

Originally posted by sisonek
just a quick question:

fake or not, what's the bouncing light on the lower right supposed to be? is there anything that looks similar that you could buy as a party decoration or whatever?

supposed to be the aliens heart monitor or pulse.

Originally posted by VORTEXAS
No, but folks like you don't just doubt what you see and move on, you CONCLUDE in about two seconds and one paragraph that it is a fake, without backing it up.

Ok, so let me use an analogy here to back up my conclusion....

You are a scholar, conducting serious research into a subject and gathering primary and secondary source material for your work. Someone anonymously provides you with some source material (it doesn't matter what it is) and tells you that not only do they have absolute integrity, but also say that what they give you is without question authentic.

Now. Here are the questions you would immediately ask yourself:
1. Would you accept them at face value? They have told you that they have integrity, yet they are unwilling to prove it.
2. If this person wishes to remain anonymous, you cannot verify their identity. Would you trust their statements without confirmation?
3. If their "evidence material" is without provenance and you have no way of verifying its authenticity, would you use is it in your research? Would you base **any** research conclusions on it knowing that you are to be peer reviewed?

No to all the above. Nobody in their right mind would accept such claims unless they could be absolutely certain the facts were correct. No scholar would stake their reputation on such shaky "evidence". To expect otherwise is foolish.

Ergo, why should we blindly accept any other conclusion that this film, and others like it, are simply fakes **unless** we receive **proof** to the contrary?

I welcome your thoughts on this.

Grey Pilgrim

Even if we had nice sharp pictures or video we would still not believe it. We would then need physical proof
We might believe if we get invaded and they wipe us all out

Originally posted by Mindsmog

Originally posted by Cardu
It - Is - A - Fake

You people make me laugh ....Nice short answers with one purpose ....Plant the seed of doubt..Don't just say it's a fake without a valid reason, If it is a fake then we need to see valid arguments why?? the same as we need valid arguments for it's authenticity. I personally am in two minds, questions I have are 1. why are they shining lights in it's eyes and grappling with it?? 2. Why is the video poor quality I worked in Navy intel and Know there are military Video and photographers who could make it very clear, what was the purpose of filming this to the military?/ ..It seems EVERYTIME a post is made with a photograph or video or ufo ..Someone ALWAYS shouts 'Fake' but with NO supporting evidence ..Jeez < Shakes head >

I know, sorry for that I have watched several episodes revealing this fake. I am so tired of all these fakes therefore i joust said it straight out it's so unnecessary to go trough the same loop all the time analyzing fakes. If you want to believe my answear that's up to you.

The two things handeling the gray do not look like humans.

Look at the scales on their arms? Look at the scales on their face

See the long duckbill like mouth on the "human" in the rear?

Is it just me whos seeing this?

If someone had gotten that close to an alien, they would have got a LOT more detail than is in that picture. On first glance, to me, it looked fake. I can't wait for the day when they feed us one of these things that fools all of us.

Why do you think this video is fake, just because the quality is low? why dont you try downloading the high quality version? pff.. look on emule, they have a 1 hour and 6 minute version which is 469MB's big.. that must be other stuff added but hopefully the quality is better too.

what proof does anyone have that the video is fake anyway? i cant find any on web pages.. just posters saying "ITS FAKE" or "that looks stupid"

end of story.

I have seen this video documetary..

I understand that people believe this video to be a fake, I can´t really blame them, because there have been so many faked photos, videos etc of UFOs/Aliens and in the end people start to feel like they couldn´t care less.

I however recommend people to see this video in it´s full. There are alot of expertis comments in it from people that try to determine wether it is real/fake or not. I espacially remember Whitley Striebers comment, he said something like..
" Even if it is a fake it´s creepy, because somebody knows something about the way they ( ETs ) move"

So non believers can watch this documentary simply for the gag, and believers can watch it and become amazed

Cheers:
Cactus

[edit on 23-11-2004 by Cactus]

Anybody with a link or anything to the full footage??

Please U2U would love to see it.

why do the doctors shine flashlights into the creature's eyes

The only conceivable reason to do this from a medical standpoint is to:
A) Evaluate pupillary response. This can tell us many things about neurological functioning, for example.

B) Illuminate the lens of the eye to observe the retina & blood vessel functioning.

However, I notice that when they shine the light into "the creature's" eyes, there is no response. In fact, there is no pupil. To take this a step further, there is no observable lens. It appears that the "eye" reflects light, leading me to think that it is not a biologically-based material (such as the vitreous in humans, which is the "squishy" part of the eye).

The darkened room is standard procedure for doing a neurological examination, however some other questions are raised that makes me even more doubtful of the veracity of this footage:

Why wouldn't they examine the "creature" in an examination room, where it could be placed different positions (i.e. lying down for abdominal exam)?

Why would they use a tabletop "heart" monitor without the number of beats per second displayed? This is a matter of standard medical procedure. The "pulsing bar" display looks like something that was developed by Fisher Price, not a medical device you'd use on a creature from another planet/dimension.

Both individuals in the footage appear to be wearing surgical masks and caps, but do not appear to be wearing a face shield. Thus there is absolutely no concern for their own eyes (which are potential routes of contamination). What's the point of wearing a surgical mask and gloves without wearing a face shield?

The table in the foreground, which conveniently covers up the "creature's" lower extremities, visibly interferes with the thoroughness of the examination. At one point you can see both individuals awkwardly leaning over the creature to peer into its reflective eyes (at an ANGLE, no less, which means there is no way for them to accurately judge perspective).

Perhaps this "creature" is wearing some type of environmental suit, which may explain the expressionless face and non-blinking reflective eyes that do not appear lubricated.

Regardless, this is NOT an appropriate medical examination.

MK

PS- DNI could just as easily stand for "Department of Naughty Intentions"

is it possible to view this footage WITH some sound.

How would putting sound on the video endanger his identity

Originally posted by they are here
How would putting sound on the video endanger his identity

they are here,

In the video, he mentions that the soundtrack was removed from the tape because he did not want the voices of the project personel to be heard by the general public. That there's a very good chance that their family & friends on the outside might recognize them. The purpuse of the tape is to expose the existance of the aliens, not compromise the individuals or personel or put them in danger of exposure.



[edit on 29-11-2004 by evilution]

Originally posted by theRiverGoddess
ok....so I loaded a real player to see this.
Took awhile...sheesh!

I have concluded this video is a fake...BECAUSE, we are always told the greys are SMALL beings, SMALLER than humans......WAY smaller than us, and this things head was BIGGER than a humans head.

Also, any LIVING creature blinks his/her eyes ESPECIALLY when/if someone is messing with you and shineing lights in your eyes.....this creature did not blink even one time.....NO muscle movement around the eyes at all.

I conclude it was not real....it was just some person wearing a mask.

FAKE FAKE FAKE......and I am bummed, because...I WANT TO BELIEVE!

Fake video NOT an Alien, but interesting non the less. Interesting in the sense to SEE what others are up to, in trying to MAKE us believe......hmmmmmmmmmm

• The Greys come in different sizes. Some are bigger than us and some are smaller. The smaller and the bigger both have bigger heads than us.

• Victor does not want fame as he does not want his identity revealed.

• His arguments show that he has given a lot of thoughts to his own safety. His reasoning is very intelligent and if I were in his situation I hope I would be as smart as he is when it comes to taking nessesary safety precautions.

• If you want to understand a mans actions, you must first understand his intentions. There are about a million reasons why the room could be dark. These beings are not dumb you know...

Are aliens good or bad? are they all either good or bad? are all humans either good or bad?
The reality probably is that some aliens are good, some are bad. Why would surperior races have less society and governments than the inferior race (that would be us .

Rest assured when you see what goes on in our world, that if you choose to fight for the good you have quite the powerfull alli out there.

Sincerly

Cade

The green device moving up and down is not a heart monitor, or even medical. Thats a false assumption, its a device that reads voice patterns. We humans have found every language though sounding different have common fluctuations in tone, the green device moving up and down was most likely such a device, used for some sort of translation.
Thought I'd let ya know

The interview can't be real because it's impossible for a person to avoid immediate death when openly exposed to the atmosphere of another world.

The "govt" can't hide the aliens, and they can't stop people from learning things and telling others, whether information comes from humans or from the aliens.

All the "govt" can do to buy time is keep throwing in enough professional confusion to keep every wise investigator guessing and tired of all the crazy stories.

It is nearly impossible to underestimate the scope of the conspiracy, and you can measure its success by the ignorance of the publics.

I've seen this video, and it is disgusting.

I am amazed how this Grey is playing the hopeless creature needing urgent help. On the other hand, they are making fun of people with playing the monsters with their UFOs! There are other disturbing issues regarding Grey activity, that proves their least moral...!!

I have that one and watched it a few times a few years ago.
Stayed neutral on its being authentic, as with Alien Autopsy, I've been waiting to see if someone comes forward to give absolute proof on how it was studio-made.

However, to my knowledge and research no proof of its fakery's come forward and its been approx 8 years. Victor did well on Art Bell's show and Morton could'nt break him. So I remain neutral.

The old 'Time will Tell' has not happened as yet.

Dallas