Originally posted by mrdependable
I just wish we could nuke the entire middle-east without destablising the entire world. I can honestly say I would gladly sacrifice a hundred million innocent lives if it meant saving just one American life. Good thing I am not in charge of "the button".

Holy crap...that is exactly how those psycho militant Muslims think. I seriously doubt that the now dead Mr. Johnson would want to be the spark that caused the nuclear destruction of millions of people in a region that his son states he loved very much.

Originally posted by Indy
This has nothing to do with Islam. Its a few idiots doing this in the name of Islam.

really then where is the world wide condeming of this by the islamic people when terrorists kill arabs they start going crazy but when our people get killed they shut up now tell me its just a few people doing this!

Condolances to the family.....

looks like more votes for bush

Most rational people know better than to let a small group of fanatics speak for the whole religion. Thing is, the ones that really do lead the religion, need to speak up and remind the rest of the world that this is not Islam, but some crazies doing it in the name of Islam. That is, unless they agree with the crazies. Otherwise, they can expect some people to believe that this is what Islam is about.

If something was done in the name of Christians or the Catholic Church, the Pope him self would be expected to denounce the act. And he most likely would.

Not only should these leaders tell the rest of the world that this is wrong, but they should remind their own people that this terrorisim is unacceptable and something be done about it. This happens sometimes, but it seems to be done only because it's expected. I have yet to believe that they actually mean it.

It's been going on in the name of Islam long enough with not enough repremand from those who are supose to represent Islam. Untill something is done to show what their TRUE FEELINGS really are, they can expect this sort of rage directed at them.

If your neighbors kid is throwing rocks at your windows and their parent does nothing to stop them, who are you going to go after first? The parent is just as responsible as the kid if he does nothing about it.

Are these leaders scared to confront those that speak so loudly for them?

I doubt it, they arm children and teach hate in their text books in some their schools. This could be stopped but it isn't. The backlash will affect all muslims if they don't do more to let the world know that they will not tollerate this from other Muslims. They rule with a heavy hand when it comes to crimes commited against Islam. Wouldn't it be a crime to speak for the whole religion and make them look bad?

I know alot of Muslims and some are friends I've had a long time, and I know they would not be capable of something like this. They are very quick to let me and others know that this is not how they feel and that these people are crazy. They also know that most are not stupid enough to believe that all muslims are bad. It's these people I fear for in the comming months.

Originally posted by spacedoubt
Curme,

A more intelligent way, would be a better way..
Any ideas? or thoughts in that regard?

We need to understand our enemy. Those bastards who commit these acts, don't fall out of the womb that way. What makes them tick? Say we line up the terrorists and kill them, that would create more terrorists, not 'scare' them into submission. The people in Iraq. Why do they hate us when we had such noble intentions? We need to figure out how these terrorist are created, and then stop that. These radical Muslims are like Klansmen. How are Ku Klux Klansmen created? They are people who feel disenfranchised and need someone to demonize, how did we become the demons? A lot of it is tied to the colonial past. Maybe an analogy would be, instead of locking up the robbers, we need to create an environment where people do not need to steal. I think we need to use or military more stratigically and not nation build, at least through the barrel of a gun. We need to draw a clear line between how great of a nation we are, and not blur that line until we start to look like the terrorists themselves.

im already in the army and i dont not mind my children taking revenge and kiling extremist thats what they deserve and they will get it trust me because like someone already said my blood is red white and blue and i will not allow them to do this the my people i just cant wait to graduate from westpoint then i can get in the action.

I thank you for your upcoming service for our country but as a veteran I must also give you some advice.

As enraging as the murder of Paul Johnson is, (I share your anger), you as a future leader of soldiers must not act upon your anger. Your job is going to be a tough one, you will have to make decisions that one should not wish for,
but you must make these decisions as a leader and not an angry Officer.

You have that responsibility to your soldiers to keep a clear mind and make sound decisions. Your soldiers may be enraged and YOU will need to be the level-headed leader.

Swallow your rage and focus your energies in the defeat of the enemy while still maintaining your military bearing. Your soldiers and your unit will depend on it.

Just a couple of questions for some posters. What country should we bomb?

any country that deserves it, you know not every country is innocent and some really do have bad intentions towards us, if innocents get killed by accident in such countries its their fault for putting their people in that situation.

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If the U.S has such black monies for advanced technologies and dealing with aliens.........why is it that we cannot win this war and find Osama Bin Laden and the killers of nick berg and now johnson???

Why doesn't the U.S just step up and take control of Iraq, until those animal pigs become more civilized. As for Saudia Arabia, its time we got out of there.

You can't win or reason with animals and uncivilized barbarians such as those found in the middle east. I'd say drop a neutron bomb (not an atomic bomb), but a neutron bomb. Start with Iraq and work from there.

This is simply rediculous.

Curme,

I agree with those points..
After all the "Hitler youth" were not born.
They were created.

In some ways, we need to prove, especially to the younger generation there,
that the West is not as "evil" as gets pounded into their heads every day.
How far could we go with this? How could we "unpollute" those young minds?

Originally posted by spacedoubt How could we "unpollute" those young minds?

you cant, after a certain point they will refuse to change their view, its the way it is.

Hey Boogie that's why I said good thing I am not in charge of the button....im not going to pretend to be something I am not. If that was my son I'd be on the first plane to Saudi Arabia taking as many scalps as I could before being taken down. Sorry I stand for what is right not what is politically correct.....an eye for an eye......best these extremists don't come around my neck of the woods.

Im waiting for Nada to pick apart the Video ( is there one ? ).

This is sad, and what is sadder is that the Saudi Family from what I have been informed has been the intectual basis and financial basis for Al Queda, yet why are we not there ?

Rest In peace.

Deep

and according to that geopolitical potentate DON RUMSFELD we are only starting to reap what we have sown there. american contractors are going to be the new targets once the big pullout takes place.

had we NOT gone there, given the tenuous link between iraq and our REAL enemies [whoever was behind 9/11] WHAT WOULD HAVE BEEN SO BAD?

what did we prevent since that fateful day as a direct consequence of what we've done in iraq??

Nuke Iraq, Iran, Jordan, Syria, Lebenon, The area that the Palestianians are staying at, and wait to see if the others do anything. Kuwait hasn't called for death to America, neither has Qatar, so forth. And for those that say "It's only a few, not all of them" BS! When a terrorist is killed, who riots and burns flags while draping their kids in fake bombs and real guns? The people, and not just a few, but all of them flood into the streets doing that lalalalalalalalalalalalalalala bs.

I remember a couple of years ago. When the palestinians got news of 9/11, there was this women on the tv dancing in the street going Lalalalalalalal with her tongue. Thats when I realized the type of 'people' the united states would have to deal with.

They aren't human in my mind. It's really sickening.

I think one person mentioned it, but there is the fact that we haven't seen the video. If you remember, Valhall brought up some interesting questions about the last one (Nick Berg).

So....before we start getting all crazy, maybe we should see if this incident is truly what it seems....

Originally posted by Flinx
I think one person mentioned it, but there is the fact that we haven't seen the video. If you remember, Valhall brought up some interesting questions about the last one (Nick Berg).

So....before we start getting all crazy, maybe we should see if this incident is truly what it seems....

hes dead, simple, so is nick berg, end of story, dont be naive.

I feel absolutely horrible for this gentleman's family that they have to suffer through this traumatic loss. But like many have stated this is a war this is what wars do to people. "lest we forget" ring a bell? Rememberance day celebrations/veterans day celebrations we have these for a reason so that we don't forget I guess we as people have forgotten. Governments don't forget I have never been a huge fan of GW but he's doing the right thing people like GW have never been criticized more than when trying to bring about change in this world. We need to once again think about denying ignorance and bring about change. No this is not all muslims, this is not all westerners, These are extremists who believe that violence is the way to go, and as everyone knows the only way to defeat violence is by taking out those promoting violence. Change needs to come about and I believe GW is doing the right thing by trying to make this come about.

Sad, Just Sad.
No comment, to pissed off right now.....

Originally posted by JacKatMtn

im already in the army and i dont not mind my children taking revenge and kiling extremist thats what they deserve and they will get it trust me because like someone already said my blood is red white and blue and i will not allow them to do this the my people i just cant wait to graduate from westpoint then i can get in the action.

I thank you for your upcoming service for our country but as a veteran I must also give you some advice.

As enraging as the murder of Paul Johnson is, (I share your anger), you as a future leader of soldiers must not act upon your anger. Your job is going to be a tough one, you will have to make decisions that one should not wish for,
but you must make these decisions as a leader and not an angry Officer.

You have that responsibility to your soldiers to keep a clear mind and make sound decisions. Your soldiers may be enraged and YOU will need to be the level-headed leader.

Swallow your rage and focus your energies in the defeat of the enemy while still maintaining your military bearing. Your soldiers and your unit will depend on it.

i am going to keep a clear head as much as it hurts me to swallow my pride and anger i have to do the right thing and not go to their level but i must admit though there is only a certain limit a man can take no matter how well diciplined he may be.



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