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Originally posted by curme
How many people would be upset if there were no pictures? What if we just had a news article telling us the news? A lot of people seem to think that all that happened at Abu Ghraib was what they saw. The pictures. Obviously they hadn't read what was going on. A lot of posters have no clue about Middle East politics or the Muslim religion. Is this where the ignorance comes from? Because America is such a visual society? That they don't bother to read anymore, but are content to just look at the pictures without any context or backstory? If we didn't have the pictures of Mr. Johnson, I wonder how many Americans would even know or care?
An Apology From Al-Qaida
George Bush apologized for all the abuses, tortures, rapes and murders in Abu-Ghraib and then expected the Islamic world to forgive it. Imagine if the Al-Qaida leadership issued an apology for the execution of Paul Johnson and then went on to explain that the perpetrators acted on their own initiatives. They lacked training and were not aware of the rules of the Geneva Convention. Would the Americans be prepared to accept such an explanation and a similar apology to the one that was issued by George Bush with regards to Abu-Ghraib?
The media instantly deployed terms like ‘barbaric’, savage’, ‘evil’ to describe the execution of Paul Johnson but not ‘scandal’. So, why do the murders of prisoners in Abu-Ghraib, Bagram and elsewhere qualify only to be a ‘scandal’? Would it have been accepted as a ‘scandal’ if one of the Al-Qaida members posed smiling with his thumbs up in front of the dead body and the severed head? Similarly, the world leaders rushed to condemn the execution but such swift words and strong emotions could not be heard for the thousands of civilians including women and children that have perished in Iraq.
In theory, if we genuinely believe that all human lives have the same value then the reaction should be identical to the killing of any innocent person. However, the killing of Paul Johnson and Nick Berg has aroused a lot of anger amongst the Americans whilst the killings of the thousands of innocent Iraqis did not even raise an eyebrow. It seems that the killing of the Iraqis or America’s enemies can always be justified whilst only the killing of Americans constitutes a crime.
Originally posted by torque
They will not be reasoned with. They have already said they want to kill Americans anywhere they can get us. Period. No talking. No setting examples. I don't understand why people continue to try to attribute the rules of civility and negotiation to these people. They will not be convinced to stop hating or suddenly have some change of heart due to anyone reaching new levels of understanding or any other blah blah. It's noise. They don't care. They hate us and will destroy us to the last man they have standing.
Originally posted by torque
They DO hate us. I'm not talking generalities, like "all Muslims" or "all Iraqis". I'm talking about the terrorists. They do hate us. If you look back, you'll see they've called for all Americans anywhere in the world to be killed. All Americans. Anywhere. It's difficult to wrap your mind around that kind of concept if you're not wired that way. KKK members and Nazis would relate to it. Just the same as saying "Kill all blacks and jews anywhere you find them". Same basic concept. It's comforting to an extent to think that they can somehow, deep down, be reasoned with. This is not the case.