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reply posted on 19-6-2004 @ 02:12 PM by PhoenixSGC
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Oh good grace  
I'm going to send some healing to his family and friends, they must be soo distressed...
It's just awfull, I don't see the point of war...especially I don't see the point of killing innocent people...whether it be single or in war, I
don't believe in killing one bit at all in fact.
Why take lives? Why hurt lives? Why even try to do this stuff? Don't these people not realize that they are only causing more anger and hate
and this just causes more mayhem, more death, more war, more anger and hate.
Please, don't do this to us, Yourselves and the World.
Love and Light
Phoenix
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reply posted on 19-6-2004 @ 02:58 PM by asdasd12345
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do a google search for koran terrorism. apparently 60% of the koran is dedicated to dealing with nonbelievers of islam, ect. if you do a google for
koran online, there are many copies of the book online so you can check to see if the quotes are really there and its not just BS.
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reply posted on 19-6-2004 @ 04:05 PM by curme
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How many people would be upset if there were no pictures? What if we just had a news article telling us the news? A lot of people seem to think that
all that happened at Abu Ghraib was what they saw. The pictures. Obviously they hadn't read what was going on. A lot of posters have
no clue about Middle East politics or the Muslim religion. Is this where the ignorance comes from? Because America is such a visual society? That they
don't bother to read anymore, but are content to just look at the pictures without any context or backstory? If we didn't have the pictures
of Mr. Johnson, I wonder how many Americans would even know or care?
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reply posted on 19-6-2004 @ 08:08 PM by John McCarthy
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Death By Beheading
Unfortunately, the United States is dealing with a culture 10,000 years older than our own. We have known and seen for years that every Friday in
Riyadh there are dismemberments and beheading's. This is considered tolerable justice in the middle east. Fathers behead their own children for
acts of humiliation against the family. al Qaeda knows that westerners have no stomach for such action and revel in the slaughter of innocents and
the reaction this brings. We are very vulnerable to such action and they know it. So, we are going to see more of this activity unless and until we
depart the same way all invaders have in the past. But, we have our blinders on and the numbers will be much greater before our political leaders
crumble against this untenable situation. Voicing to remain and not to be intimidated is ringing hollow already.
Threats to nuke is fruitless. It ain't gonna happen. Withdrawal will only be a temporary cure, but still a cure. Is oil worth it? That is the
bottom line.
That and the billions to be spent in Reconstruction of the often disrupted flow of oil. And the demise of expendable assets along the way.
John McCarthy
www.jenmartinez.com...
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reply posted on 19-6-2004 @ 08:15 PM by iceofspades
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Oh my god. That's horrible. It shows you what humanity is capable of doing. The world needs to unite somehow.
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reply posted on 19-6-2004 @ 08:17 PM by Jalengrma
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I think it is time for all civilians to leave this part of the country. They now know the monsters over there doing this and their safety is at stake.
For their loved ones sakes as well as for their own well being they need to leave. 
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reply posted on 19-6-2004 @ 09:04 PM by Sistinas
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Originally posted by curme
How many people would be upset if there were no pictures? What if we just had a news article telling us the news? A lot of people seem to think that
all that happened at Abu Ghraib was what they saw. The pictures. Obviously they hadn't read what was going on. A lot of posters have
no clue about Middle East politics or the Muslim religion. Is this where the ignorance comes from? Because America is such a visual society? That they
don't bother to read anymore, but are content to just look at the pictures without any context or backstory? If we didn't have the pictures
of Mr. Johnson, I wonder how many Americans would even know or care?
I read every day. I know about it. I don't need pictures to be up set over this. It's sad that you think Americans need pictures to know of a event
or care about it.
To be safe it would be best if you are an American and not in America get home as fast as you can. No amount of money is worth your life.
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reply posted on 19-6-2004 @ 11:19 PM by mauskov
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What backwards, horrific, monstrousities these people are.
Let me echo another poster and say: "A religion of peace?" Where is the public outcry from the muslim community over this?
Horrific.
Grotesque reminders of the tremendous atrocities which still exist in the world, this rooted evil, reminds me again of why I am behind our troops 110%
and want to crush these terrible creatures.
My prayers to the Johnson family, and my sincerest condolances.
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reply posted on 20-6-2004 @ 12:30 AM by mewzik
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The point of no return has been crossed.This will not end until either one side or the other has lost.If every one up and leaves the middle east now
then that will only add justification to thier cause and they will only follow.I see only two choices in the whole scenerio.Fight them over there or
fight them over here.
I would just as soon it continue and end over there thank you very much.
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reply posted on 20-6-2004 @ 02:56 AM by DiabolusFireDragon
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Intresting in how this guy delt with Muslim extremists.
Something to think about.
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reply posted on 20-6-2004 @ 03:27 AM by SimpleMan
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Why are we not discussing the orange jumpsuit? Is it politically incorrect to do so? Two beheadings, both men wearing Gitmo jumpsuits...nothing
strange there  Why wasn't Daniel Pearl wearing one?
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reply posted on 20-6-2004 @ 04:16 AM by waynos
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I have been reading this thread and I must say I am APALLED by the bloodthirsty and ignorant reaction of too many people. Almost as apalled as I was
by the terrorist action that ignited this discussion in the first place.
To try justifying a stance of wanting to nuke all muslims by saying "well why don't they condemn it" is a view born of pure ignorance. I work
alongside quite a few Iraqis here in Britain and they are, without exception, absolutely disgusted by the likes of Al Qaeda and Saddam, they are also
perfectly reasonable and peace loving people whose only difference to the rest of us is their skin colour and heavily accented English. Do their
families deserve to be nuked off the face of the earth because of the actions of the terrorist scum? Of course not.
Do you, my American friends, deserve to be nuked off the face of the earth because of the genocide comitted by your forebears in your own country?
Again, of course not. GET A GRIP people, anger is not condusive to intelligent discussion.
I find your current stance on terrorism (although the right one) ironic after the way America bankrolled the IRA for so many years, killing hundreds
of British and Irish soldiers, policemen and civilian men women and kids for decades. Not the same? Oh yes it was. A few murderous scum purporting to
be acting for the greater good of their people, even though their people did not want it it. Its the same now in Iraq, its just that the religious
background of these people is different to your own whereas there are many American catholics. Terrorism is abhorrent, everywhere.
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reply posted on 20-6-2004 @ 07:26 AM by ghoulardi
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www.google.com...
Find alot of links posted to that site with google.
I found this link where the Nick Berg video was posted on there forum.
alsaha.fares.net...@229.0rVzlITgGzk.0@.1dd5a2d7
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reply posted on 20-6-2004 @ 09:17 AM by curme
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Originally posted by DiabolusFireDragon
Intresting in how this guy delt with Muslim extremists.
It'd be even more interesting if it was true. SNOPES
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reply posted on 20-6-2004 @ 09:27 AM by worldwatcher
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while the beheading of Johnson along with Berg was a horrible thing, and I have sympathy for the their families, I do not share the outrage that
many of my fellow americans feel....to me all deaths are important, regardless of the methods used...there is no major difference in my eyes between a
beheading, being gunned downed or having a 100lb bomb dropped on you....it is all sad.
and for those people who let their emotions rule their thoughts and want an entire religion and people to pay for the crimes of a few...i only ask
that you read as much information from all sides as possible, maybe your eyes will open to see the complexity of the situation called "war on
terror" that our president has thrown us into.
An Apology From Al-Qaida
George Bush apologized for all the abuses, tortures, rapes and murders in Abu-Ghraib and then expected the Islamic world to forgive it. Imagine if the
Al-Qaida leadership issued an apology for the execution of Paul Johnson and then went on to explain that the perpetrators acted on their own
initiatives. They lacked training and were not aware of the rules of the Geneva Convention. Would the Americans be prepared to accept such an
explanation and a similar apology to the one that was issued by George Bush with regards to Abu-Ghraib?
The media instantly deployed terms like ‘barbaric’, savage’, ‘evil’ to describe the execution of Paul Johnson but not ‘scandal’. So, why do the
murders of prisoners in Abu-Ghraib, Bagram and elsewhere qualify only to be a ‘scandal’? Would it have been accepted as a ‘scandal’ if one of the
Al-Qaida members posed smiling with his thumbs up in front of the dead body and the severed head? Similarly, the world leaders rushed to condemn the
execution but such swift words and strong emotions could not be heard for the thousands of civilians including women and children that have perished
in Iraq.
In theory, if we genuinely believe that all human lives have the same value then the reaction should be identical to the killing of any innocent
person. However, the killing of Paul Johnson and Nick Berg has aroused a lot of anger amongst the Americans whilst the killings of the thousands of
innocent Iraqis did not even raise an eyebrow. It seems that the killing of the Iraqis or America’s enemies can always be justified whilst only the
killing of Americans constitutes a crime.
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reply posted on 20-6-2004 @ 10:39 AM by Soul Reaper
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Beheading
Classic psyop warfare, these guys are using our media
against us.......guessing by the reactions on this site and
others, its working and they are winning that side of the battle.
If they continue to get coverage, you will see a rise of anti war
groups marching against the war. who does this serve? Any
group that wants us dead. (too many to count). We have
strategically placed our troops in the heart of Southwest Asia
for a reason, it's the Jungular of Opec.
WWIII is on our doorstep.... 
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reply posted on 22-6-2004 @ 09:39 AM by Damned
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Originally posted by torque
They will not be reasoned with. They have already said they want to kill Americans anywhere they can get us. Period. No talking. No setting
examples. I don't understand why people continue to try to attribute the rules of civility and negotiation to these people. They will not be
convinced to stop hating or suddenly have some change of heart due to anyone reaching new levels of understanding or any other blah blah. It's
noise. They don't care. They hate us and will destroy us to the last man they have standing.
They don't hate us, IMO. They hate our government, which we obviously have no control over. I think they're trying to get us to do something about
our government. Unfortunately, America isn't taking the wake-up call, and I'm sure they'll continue to ignore the fact that the US has been
overstepping it's boundaries for far too long. It's obvious to the rest of the world.
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reply posted on 22-6-2004 @ 11:05 AM by torque
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They DO hate us. I'm not talking generalities, like "all Muslims" or "all Iraqis". I'm talking about the terrorists. They do hate us. If you
look back, you'll see they've called for all Americans anywhere in the world to be killed. All Americans. Anywhere. It's difficult to wrap your
mind around that kind of concept if you're not wired that way. KKK members and Nazis would relate to it. Just the same as saying "Kill all blacks
and jews anywhere you find them". Same basic concept. It's comforting to an extent to think that they can somehow, deep down, be reasoned with.
This is not the case.
As for all the "oil is the cause" stuff, I don't care. I don't care if -Bush- went there for oil, the fact is that it had to be done. They
don't hate us because of what we've done in Abu Ghraib- that's just something else to holler about. I'm not justifying it, but honestly, are we
going to get info from these guys by offering them tea and cookies every afternoon at 4? Sometimes you have to get nasty. I don't know that there
have been murders and rapes committed by Americans at Abu Ghraib because I haven't been given proof of it. When I have, I'll decry it. It needed
to be done and we did it. And we're not leaving until we're finished.
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reply posted on 23-6-2004 @ 11:31 AM by Damned
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Originally posted by torque
They DO hate us. I'm not talking generalities, like "all Muslims" or "all Iraqis". I'm talking about the terrorists. They do hate us. If you
look back, you'll see they've called for all Americans anywhere in the world to be killed. All Americans. Anywhere. It's difficult to wrap your
mind around that kind of concept if you're not wired that way. KKK members and Nazis would relate to it. Just the same as saying "Kill all blacks
and jews anywhere you find them". Same basic concept. It's comforting to an extent to think that they can somehow, deep down, be reasoned with.
This is not the case.
I don't agree. More likely, they want to stop US interference. I don't know about you, but I haven't interfered. They've called for all Americans
to be killed because we allowed our government to become this over-powering "super power", and we're still not doing anything about it. Now, this
super power has it's tentacles in everyones' affairs, and has for some time. They're fed up. What happens when you're fed up? You start killing
anyone who has anything to do with whatever it is you're fed up with. IMO, if we had stayed out of their affairs in the first place, we would not be
their #1 target.
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reply posted on 17-7-2004 @ 03:54 PM by phreak_of_nature
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Video tape surfaces
Today, Sturday 17 JUL 04, video tape of the beheading of Paul Johnson has been posted on the internet.
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