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reply posted on 20-6-2004 @ 04:16 AM by waynos
I have been reading this thread and I must say I am APALLED by the bloodthirsty and ignorant reaction of too many people. Almost as apalled as I was by the terrorist action that ignited this discussion in the first place.

To try justifying a stance of wanting to nuke all muslims by saying "well why don't they condemn it" is a view born of pure ignorance. I work alongside quite a few Iraqis here in Britain and they are, without exception, absolutely disgusted by the likes of Al Qaeda and Saddam, they are also perfectly reasonable and peace loving people whose only difference to the rest of us is their skin colour and heavily accented English. Do their families deserve to be nuked off the face of the earth because of the actions of the terrorist scum? Of course not.

Do you, my American friends, deserve to be nuked off the face of the earth because of the genocide comitted by your forebears in your own country? Again, of course not. GET A GRIP people, anger is not condusive to intelligent discussion.

I find your current stance on terrorism (although the right one) ironic after the way America bankrolled the IRA for so many years, killing hundreds of British and Irish soldiers, policemen and civilian men women and kids for decades. Not the same? Oh yes it was. A few murderous scum purporting to be acting for the greater good of their people, even though their people did not want it it. Its the same now in Iraq, its just that the religious background of these people is different to your own whereas there are many American catholics. Terrorism is abhorrent, everywhere.


reply posted on 20-6-2004 @ 07:26 AM by ghoulardi
www.google.com...

Find alot of links posted to that site with google.

I found this link where the Nick Berg video was posted on there forum.

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[edit on 20-6-2004 by ghoulardi]


reply posted on 20-6-2004 @ 09:27 AM by worldwatcher
while the beheading of Johnson along with Berg was a horrible thing, and I have sympathy for the their families, I do not share the outrage that many of my fellow americans feel....to me all deaths are important, regardless of the methods used...there is no major difference in my eyes between a beheading, being gunned downed or having a 100lb bomb dropped on you....it is all sad.

and for those people who let their emotions rule their thoughts and want an entire religion and people to pay for the crimes of a few...i only ask that you read as much information from all sides as possible, maybe your eyes will open to see the complexity of the situation called "war on terror" that our president has thrown us into.

An Apology From Al-Qaida
George Bush apologized for all the abuses, tortures, rapes and murders in Abu-Ghraib and then expected the Islamic world to forgive it. Imagine if the Al-Qaida leadership issued an apology for the execution of Paul Johnson and then went on to explain that the perpetrators acted on their own initiatives. They lacked training and were not aware of the rules of the Geneva Convention. Would the Americans be prepared to accept such an explanation and a similar apology to the one that was issued by George Bush with regards to Abu-Ghraib?

The media instantly deployed terms like ‘barbaric’, savage’, ‘evil’ to describe the execution of Paul Johnson but not ‘scandal’. So, why do the murders of prisoners in Abu-Ghraib, Bagram and elsewhere qualify only to be a ‘scandal’? Would it have been accepted as a ‘scandal’ if one of the Al-Qaida members posed smiling with his thumbs up in front of the dead body and the severed head? Similarly, the world leaders rushed to condemn the execution but such swift words and strong emotions could not be heard for the thousands of civilians including women and children that have perished in Iraq.

In theory, if we genuinely believe that all human lives have the same value then the reaction should be identical to the killing of any innocent person. However, the killing of Paul Johnson and Nick Berg has aroused a lot of anger amongst the Americans whilst the killings of the thousands of innocent Iraqis did not even raise an eyebrow. It seems that the killing of the Iraqis or America’s enemies can always be justified whilst only the killing of Americans constitutes a crime.


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