Originally posted by 547000
reply to post by LeoVirgo
The part about if you seek Him with all your heart and soul, you will find Him. There are probably others. Let's not forget scriptures that involve
the first coming of Jesus. And the scriptures that have yet to be fulfilled are similar to Revelation.
I also believe that His death was the final sacrifice for Jews.
edit on 26-9-2010 by 547000 because: (no reason given)
I personally found that one thing that this 'Jesus' did not do all the things they expected him to do (which was one reason why many didnt except
him) so then some of the 'things on the to do list' seem to of gotten postponed with 'another time and day'.
The prophecies are vague, you have to remember, Judah (the tribe) was powerful and many were jealous over Judah's success as a tribe This is a family
quarrel. Jesus, a supposed 'special child' being born to the tribe of Judah...was a heart breaker to many...they did not want the tribe of Judah to
have the 'new king'. This was all about pride and greed for 'power'....just like their old god image who seems to been concerned with 'pride and
greed of power'. We have been left a story of a family that broke apart. Their pride and greed divided them (just as its doing the world today). The
lesson here is so much more then 'reading and then having a great knowledge'....the lessons run deep, offering us to change our ways or not. We are
all of the same family, Jews were not special....no one was....you need to ask God (holy spirit) if there was any reason for a 'chosen people' or
'chosen land'. You have to ask yourself, could the authors had a personal agenda when writing the book.
Why would a perfect all knowing god need a blood sacrifice? Your saying that a part of Gods plan involves humans to kill something, be it animal or
man? That without the killing, we cant be forgiven, that God cant do thee's part? That just a humble heart and honest mind is not enough?? Do you
remember how upset Jesus was at the Temple where they sold animals for sacrifices? Do you not find coincidence of all the cosmic relations found in
the bible...during the age of Taurus was the golden calf, during the age of Aries was the ram found in the thickets, during the age of Pisces comes
the fisher of men (and the end to the slaughtering). This 'man' was found by a star (mabey even stars, of Pisces). Then its told to 'watch for the
man with the water pitcher' which is Aquarius. Through my own discerning, the OT image of god being angry and jealous just doesnt resonate with me,
the idea of chosen ones and chosen earthly land does not resonate with me on a spiritual level. It did...for over 20 years...but when I emptied my
cup, I saw so many things differently. I thnk some of the authors did have relation to things of Spirit, I think Jesus defiantly did. But I think we
have a mixture of Earthly wisdoms and Spiritual wisdoms in the book and if one takes the entire book as spiritual wisdoms, the true nature of God is
distorted with attributes alot like us humans. Taking away the holiness, perfection, and divinity. I think Jesus told them they were wrong in their
blood sacrifices....and they hated him for it. Other tribes were jealous of the tribe of Judah that was claiming to have a 'king'. I even think, his
sign on his cross read 'the king of Judah' and not the 'king of the jews'. I think the personal agendas got in the way of the true story. I think
Jesus taught about a 'Spirit' that was humble, loving, understanding, and that did not need blood sacrifices. He taught us what we all need to do,
but we turned again, a man into 'god' just as all of history man has done this in every culture...turned a man into a 'god'. Many things I began
to question. To believe a man 'had' to die for God to be able to do Thee's work with us, is not apart of my faith anymore. I dont want the blood
on my hands, for believing he 'had' to die. But I do want to forgive those that knew not. He lived more for the life of spirit then the life of
flesh, that is what I learned through Jesus....how to do this. I see why the stories are what they are...and what Earthly wisdom they offer us in that
we can choose separation....or we can somehow, find a way to unite. For 'god' to lay out a plan that separates all people over a 'chosen people'
and 'chosen land' (which is a earthly thing, a material, a possession) would mean god knew of the wars and bloodshed and pride this would all cause
amongst the people. It just doesnt seem spiritual to me anymore, such a plan.
I think mankind has always 'expected a new king' to come to many lands. Mankind has awaited in many cultures, a man to make king, to make 'god'. I
think alot of the book is allegorical and holds deep lessons for us as a people. But the prophecies sets a stage for much war and blood shed over a
earthly possession...to me, this is not spiritual concern. One of the lines that led me on this discernment in the Bible later in life was 'know what
is of flesh is of flesh, know what is of spirit is of spirit'.....and to discern, between them.
Just some thoughts, a little derailing...but wanted to pass my own path of walking with the Bible and its stories on to where it all led me to now. I
still study it, I still find it to be the most precious and the most dangerous book all at the same time. People can use it to gain power OR people
can sue it to discern between things of Earth and things of Spirit. Not trying to say this is 'right'....just passing onto why I dont accept some of
the supposed 'truths' within it now as being of Spirit. Man had to find his way....its all understandable for being what it was and is. To while I
see it can mislead....it actually weighs and measures ones inner being in showing what they feel is of spirit and of earth. It weighs and measures
their inner being of 'wants and desires'. It weighs if they can discern pride, from humbleness. It weighs if they can discern greed from offering.
In this way, it is perfect.
I ask you, why would 'god' not just forgive them, why would he need a man to kill another man, breaking a commandment, for the jews? Why would
'god' hold on high a people over another people? Why would 'god' bring a flood and still leave giants on the Earth after it? Why would 'god' set
a stage for war over a land? So many have died, and many more to come.
All my best to you