reply to post by Valeri
But one thing I didn't udnerstand,your last sentence. "for if they are still in need of the path of self, that is what their core being will strive
for, and an offering of what they are still in need of will be welcomed when they are removed from the body complex." I realize that that is what the
person's core being will strive for, yes,if they are still in need of that path, unknowingly to themselves in fact. But when you say an offering of
what they still or are in need of will be welcomed when they die in the human body etc...Do you mean the soul will be happy and EXPECTING, secretly,
to get what it wanted all along while inside the human body complex ? Even though it had a STO attitude and did all right,but did it,unknowingly, for
hteir own rewards hopefully,after death etc ? Was that your point? When you said the core being of the person will strive for the path of self,did
you mean the SOUL by "core being of the person" or something else? By that logic,don't you think the soul,having died in the body it was in, will
no longer welcome any of the service to self needs it may have had while on Earth( living a STO life,only to unknowingly desire a service to self
path,rewards etc),because once back in ones true form,bodiless, the soul udnerstands that it was the masking of the ego,and so it iwll not welcome the
STS needs it had unknowingly,secretly, within the human life?
When I say the core being, Im talking about the very vibration of their being. This could be looked at as a soul I suppose...I would rather call it
their vibration or density.
Words limit us, to explain and understand. Language is in-suffice in many situations of things of Spirit.
I think we must have many lives of STS experiences. I really dont think anyone learns about the 'self' and its place to 'other selves' from one
life. I see it more like a sifting that occurs...slowly as a self is learing about feelings of guilt, selflishness, pride, greed, lust ect....the mind
complex raises it vibrations as it learns to create a positive exsistence of self.
Self is not bad, its needed, and there is much to learn on that path. The reason I brought it up here, about ascension ect...is there are alot of
people that ill read this thread that are striving for ascension of the self and I feel the need to let them know that this path is no different then
the salvation of self in religions.
I dont think there is such a thing as being 100% service to others while in a body complex...I think people like Jesus were pretty close though.
Outside the body complex, the mind/spirit complex see's things with a Divine Eye, it see's perfection, it see's that everything experienced in that
body complex was absolutely needed. They reflect, and understand what ever is still in need for learning, will be offered. I dont think they will then
automatically walk a path of STO. This experience here is perfect for us to 'not know and not understand'. Even though while in our prime self,
looking with the Divine Eye, we understand everything....does not mean that will create a life of STO in the next experience.
We still reap what we sow. This is how we sift out our vibration. Eventually the mind complex does carry with it burried memories/imprints that will
seem not so much like a memory, but a second nature to them. After some time of reaping seeds of greed or pride ect....the inner vibration will sift
out a nature within them that greed and pride seem like awkward behaviors, just not right, would feel like going against the grain very much so for a
person that has reaped those seeds many times.
Even though we have understanding through the Divine Eye in our Prime Self experience....does not mean we will carry back into a incarnation all the
right answers. We learn though experience, without memory of 'right pths'. Our Prime self may know the right ways....but it is our mind/soul
vibration that must learn these things without being given the answers, on own free will.
Ive seen people pass over and have great experience, Ive seen them be shown their wrongs....and Ive seen them come back still not able to work on
those wrongs. So I think it takes a while, a sifting, a mulling over, and over, for some.
The choice has to be made while in this experience, for there has to be understanding of the choice.
People say that the service of self is needed and some say this is the highest path. Yes, its needed. But I dont think its the highest path. How, is
we are ONE, can we keep wanting to 'leave' all our other selves that are still learning? Could the idea of a 'home' be a test, to the self....to
see where it is sifting and measuring the 'needs and desires' of self over the 'needs and desires' of others?? If a person claims they understand
ONENESS.....why do they strive for a place separate from here, better then here, calling it home and leaving their other selves? How can a mind/spirit
complex relax and enjoy a existence of 'self' in some utopia....when other selves are still learning? I think this is a test...I think that the
higher self can offer what seems to be memories (but are really deep desires) to a self....to see if they have understanding of the need of service to
others. How can we leave, our selves???? Read that again....if everyone here is a part of you, in Spirit, they are one with you.....how can you leave
them? Why would you leave them? The reason to think about leaving is for the 'self' singular....and this shows they do not fully except oneness in
People talk about a family of light. How is this so, the highest path? How is any sort of separation from other selves, a higher path? People say,
well we all have a family of light, but a family, offers the idea of still 'separate selves' amongst other 'separate selves'. This is still
showing, there is not a full understanding of oneness, without separation, a oneness that returns to it self. Our Spirit (we all share it) went out
through offering of self....and we must return to Spirit, in offering of self.
Those that seek a 'home' and 'rest'....I think they do receive temporary rest, what ever they need to regain strength. But I think when the time
comes they try to leave here....and seek something beyond their OWN SELVES, I think they will rebound here like a rubber band...I think they will see
as long as other selves are still learning, this is where they need to offer to be. This is very hard to set the self aside, and offer the 'self' to
the all, for what ever purpose the Spirit is in need of. The purpose is for the Spirit....what the Spirit needs, which is what the ONE needs. Its hard
to let go of self and I think it talks alot of experiences to finally except the 'all' as the self.
The ones setting tests here, are not negative beings. They are still a part of the higher plan. Its a way to test understanding at its core, love at
its core, forgiveness at its core.
The reason I speak out against the path of ascension, is I feel I came here with many of my other selves to take a test. That test, is the 'want'
for ascension. If they say they really do understand oneness in Spirit, then I dont think they are still in need of the path of self anymore and that
maybe they can catch a glimpse beyond that path and offer themselves back. I think that is what Earth is needing right now, a offering back to Spirit
on a higher scale then what has been in the past. I really do think it is always the case of 'few find the way'-few find the will, for the path of
Spirit, path of other selves. Gurus' and such keep telling these people that they still need to work on the 'self' and ascension is a good thing
for that. Ascension can happen anytime after a death....it is not a specific 'time' or 'event' that can only happen at certain intervals in
history and future. This makes no sense that many came here to seek a time of ascension. It makes more sense that the ascension is a test/marker,
just like religions are....to mark the true understanding of that soul/mind complex.
Our higher self doesnt only offer us things of good truths, it also offers us challenges and catalysts or events that can result in a strong
catalysts....to teach us and sift us. These memories people claim of other galaxies, other existences.....I honestly do not trust. Not saying these
people are people I cant trust, but I cant say that a higher self is not testing them as well....as a marker, to pull out their true desires and
wants. It may take many lives to sift out the pureness in the Spirit, the perfection of Spirit, what the Divine Eye see's as needed.
Very deep topic and it may even be offending to some....I dont mean anything personal to anyone...I only offer to my other selves what I have
understood and found on my path in this life, for me, its truth, but I dont claim it as a truth for others. If it resonates with you, you will know.
I think alot of the 'channeled' materials that came out are a marker of a challenge....its not so much truth as in it will bring out the true
vibration of the mind/soul being....if it still seeks for the self, then that is what it will find through the new age teachings or even use a older
teaching, like religion. If they dont understand the fullness of service to others yet, for Spirit.....this will show in what they excepted in
'belief' and 'faith'.
Some will say, well if we cant leave here, then that is a prison, slave planet.
This again, only is a marker, showing what they dont understand.
We chose this...we in our prime selves, understand all of the offerings of duality and this experience, as ONE, as Spirit.