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posted on Nov, 16 2010 @ 03:01 PM
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Hi Everyone,

Be Advised: This post may not be for everyone as it does contain some material and suggestions about Creation and the Universe that may not fit into everyone's paradigm/view/outlook on the so called (material world). If anyone happens to be extra sensitive when it comes to earth, nature, evolution and other such things than it's recommended that they do not read this post. I want to make it really clear that there is absolutely zero intent to ever offend or hurt anyone in what's being suggested here.

A few things to add about this particular thread, it was started with the intention of having an open discussion with everyone to openly and freely discuss their own beliefs/perspectives and views on things. As a reminder, let us all try to be more sensitive, kind, understanding, patient, considerate and respectful with each other regardless of our differences in belief.

So now for those who don't mind, I will share some of what I see about Creation, Planet Earth and the Universe.

Thanks for your understanding in this matter!

Hi Unity_99,

Here are some of the publicly available informational/digital holographic technologies. Holographic interactive rooms and systems where one can experience through the senses of seeing, hearing, touching, feeling and interacting with objects. I'm adding in some other food for thought technologies such as technology human body part replacements, limbs, organs, artificial eyesight for the blind and so on that humans already have available today. Imagine what the military and black ops have in their possession if the following below listed technologies are already available (information wise and direct) to the public.

After reviewing some of the below articles and videos, use your imagination than stop and think a little bigger and imagine other advanced galactic civilizations out there hundreds of millions of years ahead of earth technology. Than try to imagine yet other civilizations far more advanced than those beyond this galaxy some of which are let's say billions of years ahead of earth technology (It's always easier to imagine something when using numbers, time-frames and calculations. -) I realize this may not mean much for some of you but then try to imagine yet other more advanced civilizations beyond gazillions of Galaxies out there – Eventually if one steps out of this 'infinite' inwards Universe they catch up with the EU's or (Extra-universals) outside of this universe/system/creation/technology beyond all human understanding – The Designers/Creators of this universal system that not only created it but parented all life throughout the entire 'Infinite' inwards universe/creation/technology with unimaginable channels/stations/dimensions/realities/existences and so on.

There are 3 main ingredients (let's just say for now) to this universal/system/creation/technology/channel/station (from a list of others) that can lightly be touched upon that I'll get into further as this post progresses but for now I will just add the following:

Ingredient-#1 'Energy' E=MC2 'Matter'
Touching upon the main ingredient of earth's universal/system/creation/technology/channel/station -MATTER which is 'energy' vibrating at certain frequencies or at a certain molecular vibrational level - of what humans consider to be physical- seemingly physical or solid to the human eye/vision and touch however nothing but 'Energy' vibrating at a higher or lower vibration/frequency - in other words at a lesser or greater density.

So all -MATTER (As humans know it) =MC2 being Energy (E) – is vibrating at a higher or lower density/rate/speed or at certain frequencies/molecular/vibrational/levels. Keep the word frequency in mind.

Ingredient #2 Intelligence
For now let's call it intelligent 'energy/vibration' or 'intelligent matter.'

Ingredient #3 Intelligence/Consciousness/Awareness or 'Soul'
This is who 'You' are' that occupies the human vehicle/body/vessel that is made up of Ingredient #1 or Energy/MC2

This intelligence/Consciousness/Awareness or 'Soul' is not of the same material as 'energy/matter' and is only temporally occupying the physical body that's made up of 'energy/matter' but YOU the 'soul' are not the Vehicle/Body/Vessel or 'Energy/Matter' but something else, however while occupying the vehicle/body/vessel or your seemingly physical body - you are the driver of it controlling the human brain/mind that controls the rest of the physical body (metaphorically speaking) like a driver that drives a vehicle with the gas peddle/breaks/steering-wheel, controls and so on.

Here's a simple video I made on this very thing - The Human Body.'


The technology humans create on planet Earth consists of mostly computers, machines, electronics, digital, laser and holographic systems but for the Creators/Designers their technology is what we call Life, Earth and it's 'Alive.' (As we know it) It's what humans call natural, evolution, instincts, real, reality, creation, nature. The Creators/Designers Creation consists of the entire Earth, eco-operating-system, trees, grass, flowers, insects, birds, fish, animals, humans and so on.

What does natural or evolution really mean for those who organized and designed/created this universe/creation/technology?

Do humans call their own designed/created technologies natural or evolved?

Everything in this Universe and on planet Earth is a higher form of Creation/Technology.

It's necessary to review some of the added articles and video's below- for those who are following along that demonstrate new possibilities behind Creation and the non-material world/existence or planet Earth, Nature, Evolution, the Universe and Creation including some of the future coming technologies.

The future brings holographic computerized technologies, holographic interactive/televisions/holographs, holodecks like seen in Star Trek/ holographic interactive rooms.

Holographic interactive computer systems is the future technology on it's way and will be used in all kinds of ways in the upcoming years ahead.

Holographic interactive toys, games, educational products, books, televisions/holographs, computers, communication devices, holodecks and so on. New replacements for organs, limbs, artificial vision for the blind, technology to move body parts for the paralyzed among many other things including interactive vehicles that sooner or later are meant to be released.

Eventually there will be advanced robots (mainstream) marketed that can do things around the house or on job sites.

"Imagination is more important than knowledge."
Einstein

THINK BIG!

We are now moving off the topic of Infinity where there's no such thing as big, but in order for conscious observers to better understand things they need to use comparisons/numbers/equations/calculations and TIME.


“If you've ever watched "Star Trek," you may remember seeing the crew of the Starship Enterprise live out their fantasies in a room called the holodeck. The holodeck was a giant, holographic projection room that allowed the crew to touch and interact with projections as if they were in a big video game. Scientists today are developing a new communications technology that will allow you and your friends to interact inside a simulated environment even if you are thousands of miles apart.

Most of the basic components for this network are already in place to allow the development of tele-immersion. Tele-immersion is the scientific community's answer to the holodeck. “

Link to read more - electronics.howstuffworks.com...




Connect your brain to your computer!
Current mood: amused Category: Web, HTML, Tech control your computer with brainwaves? We've heard this one before...hook your brainwaves up to an AI computer interface, a.la. cyborgs, and wupti! you can control your computer with your mind--a favorite subject of SciFi films and books, and often rumored in the popular media.... But this time, it was IBM and partners who demonstrated the technique at the CES computer show in Las Vegas, which I have just watched on a video podcast... Emotiv systems based in the USA, has developed a headset for this purpose (don't worry, you don't have to drill holes in your skull to make the connection, like in the movie the matrix) and has actually demonstrated the device... “




Human Brain Region Functions Like Digital Computer
A region of the human brain that scientists believe is critical to human intellectual abilities surprisingly functions much like a digital computer, according to psychology Professor Randall O'Reilly of the University of Colorado at Boulder.

The finding could help researchers better understand the functioning of human intelligence.
In a review of biological computer models of the brain appearing in the Oct. 6 edition of the journal Science, O'Reilly contends that the prefrontal cortex and basal ganglia operate much like a digital computer system.
"Many researchers who create these models shun the computer metaphor," O'Reilly said. "My work comes out of a tradition that says people's brains are nothing like computers, and now all of a sudden as we look at them, in fact, in a certain respect they are like computers."
Digital computers operate by turning electrical signals into binary "on and off states" and flexibly manipulating these states by using switches. O'Reilly found the same operating principles in the brain.”


Article link -www.sciencedaily.com...




”You know what I need; I need a way to hook my brain up to a CAD CAM design computer, because like many designers, I see things in my head, and we all need to get these concepts onto either a piece of paper by drawing them, or better yet, we need to be able to get them onto a computer, and into some design software so we can manipulate them from there.

After all, I am writing this article using voice activated software, they call it speech recognition, and whereas, I will have to spend two or three minutes re-reading this article and slightly editing the minor mistakes, I can tell you that it is about 98 to 99% accurate, and it speeds up my time by three to five-fold. In other words most all the work is already done, think of this incredible time savings and efficiency. The productivity increase is truly astounding.”








Hitachi Creates Brain 'Remote Control
”HATOYAMA, Japan (AP) -- Forget the clicker: A new technology in Japan could let you control electronic devices without lifting a finger simply by reading brain activity.
The “brain-machine interface'' developed by Hitachi Inc. analyzes slight changes in the brain's blood flow and translates brain motion into electric signals.
A cap connects by optical fibers to a mapping device, which links, in turn, to a toy train set via a control computer and motor during one recent demonstration at Hitachi's Advanced Research Laboratory in Hatoyama, just outside Tokyo.
“Take a deep breath and relax,'' said Kei Utsugi, a researcher, while demonstrating the device on Wednesday. At his prompting, a reporter did simple calculations in her head, and the train sprang forward -- apparently indicating activity in the brain's frontal cortex, which handles problem solving.
Activating that region of the brain -- by doing sums or singing a song -- is what makes the train run, according to Utsugi. When one stops the calculations, the train stops, too.
Underlying Hitachi's brain-machine interface is a technology called optical topography, which sends a small amount of infrared light through the brain's surface to map out changes in blood flow.
Although brain-machine interface technology has traditionally focused on medical uses, makers like Hitachi and Japanese automaker Honda Motor Co. have been racing to refine the technology for commercial application.
Hitachi's scientists are set to develop a brain TV remote controller letting users turn a TV on and off or switch channels by only thinking.
Honda, whose interface monitors the brain with an MRI machine like those used in hospitals, is keen to apply the interface to intelligent, next-generation automobiles.
The technology could one day replace remote controls and keyboards and perhaps help disabled people operate electric wheelchairs, beds or artificial limbs.
Initial uses would be helping people with paralyzing diseases communicate even after they have lost all control of their muscles.
Since 2005, Hitachi has sold a device based on optical topography that monitors brain activity in paralyzed patients so they can answer simple questions -- for example, by doing mental calculations to indicate “yes'' or thinking of nothing in particular to indicate “no.''
“We are thinking of various kinds of applications,'' project leader Hideaki Koizumi said. “Locked-in patients can speak to other people by using this kind of brain machine interface.''

Article link -www.livescience.com...



Artificial sight for the blind technologies!
In recent years, progress is being made towards sensory substitution devices for the blind. In the long run, there could be the possibility of brain implants. A brain implant or cortical implant provides visual input from a camera directly to the brain via electrodes in contact with the visual cortex at the backside of the head.

Article link- www.artificialvision.com...





Bionic vision: Researchers at Harvard Medical School aim to build a small digital camera that will feed images to an external signal processor worn by the patient. The processor will translate the image from the camera into neural impulses, then transmit them wirelessly to an implanted stimulator. The stimulator will drive a set of electrodes placed in the lateral geniculate nucleus of the brain to elicit images in the patient’s brain.

Credit: J. S. Pezaris, adapted with permission from D. H. Hubel.

One day it may be possible to restore sight in people who are congenitally blind by placing an implant in a part of the vision system hitherto ignored. Unlike most visual prostheses in advanced development,this new approach could make it possible to treat blindness even when the entire eye is damaged.

While the work is still in the early stages, researchers ultimately envision a device that translates images from a digital camera into neural impulses and then feeds that information into the visual system, allowing the wearer to see.”

Article link -www.technologyreview.com...


Brain Technology
”There are only a handful of scientific revolutions that would really change the world. An immortality pill would be one. A time machine would be another.
Faster-than-light travel, allowing the stars to be explored in a human lifetime, would be on the shortlist, too.
To my mind, however, the creation of an artificial mind would probably trump all of these - a development that would throw up an array of bewildering and complex moral and philosophical quandaries. Amazingly, it might also be within reach.
This isn't just pie-in-the-sky. The Blue Brain project, led by computer genius Henry Markram - who is also the director of the Centre for Neuroscience & Technology and the Brain Mind Institute - has for the past five years been engineering the mammalian brain, the most complex object known in the Universe, using some of the most powerful supercomputers in the world.
And last month, Professor Markram claimed, at a conference in Oxford, that he plans to build an electronic human brain 'within ten years.”

Article link -www.dailymail.co.uk...


Paralysed Limbs Move When Connected Directly To Brain
Scientists in the US have successfully shown it is possible for a monkey to move a paralysed wrist via a connection made directly into the brain, that is allowing electrical signals from the brain to be routed to the wrist directly without using normal nerve pathways down the arm.

Article source to read more -www.medicalnewstoday.com...



Scientists give new life to paralyzed limbs by rewiring brain
Researchers at the University of Washington are working to reroute brain signals in an effort to give paralyzed people the ability to move their limbs again.
By creating an artificial connection between nerve cells in the brain and muscles, scientists say they are restoring voluntary movement to the once-paralyzed limbs, according to a report from the University of Washington in Seattle. The rerouting effectively bypasses damaged nerves in subjects with spinal cord injuries, which generally damage nerves but leave muscles and brain tissue unharmed.
Research that involves making new connections in living brains and even connecting robots to living brains has been gaining a lot of attention in the past year.

Article source top read more -www.computerworld.com...


Artificial Heart
An artificial heart is a mechanical device that replaces the heart. Artificial hearts are typically used in order to bridge the time to heart transplantation, or to permanently replace the heart in case transplantation is impossible. “

Article link -en.wikipedia.org...





ScienceDaily— Mechanical 'artificial hearts' can be used to return severely failing hearts to their normal function, potentially removing the need for heart transplantation, according to new research.

The mechanical devices, known as Left Ventricular Assist Devices (LVADs), are currently used in patients with very severe heart failure whilst they await transplantation. The new study, published in the New England Journal of Medicine, shows that using an LVAD combined with certain drug therapies can shrink the enlarged heart and enable it to function normally once the LVAD is removed.
For the study, researchers from Imperial College London and the Royal Brompton and Harefield NHS Trust gave the full combination therapy to 15 severely ill patients. Of these 15, 11 recovered. Of these, 88 percent were free from recurrence of heart disease five years later. Their quality of life was measured as being at nearly normal.

Article link -www.sciencedaily.com...


Artificial Organs
An artificial organ is a man-made device used to replace a natural organ, for the purpose of restoring a patient’s state of living back to as normal as possible. An artificial organ does not need an external power source, nor does it any refilling of chemicals and/or filter replacements.


Reviewing the 3 main (let's just say for now) ingredients of the Universe.

Ingredient-#1 'Energy' E=MC2 'Matter'
Touching upon the main ingredient of earth's universal/system/creation/technology/channel/station -MATTER which is 'energy' vibrating at certain frequencies or at a certain molecular vibrational level - of what humans consider to be physical- seemingly physical or solid to the human eye/vision and touch however nothing but 'Energy' vibrating at a higher or lower vibration/frequency - in other words at a lesser or greater density.

So all -MATTER (As humans know it) =MC2 being Energy (E) – is vibrating at a higher or lower density/rate/speed or at certain frequencies/molecular/vibrational/levels. Keep the word frequency in mind.

Ingredient #2 Intelligence
For now let's call it intelligent 'energy/vibration' or 'intelligent matter.'

Human computer technologies can be labeled as 'intelligent matter.'
Many other materials/elements on planet earth can be considered to be 'intelligent' matter on a far more advanced and much higher level and some of this 'intelligence/informational/software/matter does not contain the Ingredient #3.

Ingredient #3 Intelligence/Consciousness/Awareness or 'Soul'
This is who 'You' are' that occupies the human vehicle/body/vessel that is made up of Ingredient #1 or Energy/MC2.

Keep in mind you are not the Body only the driver of the body and the 'soul' resides inside the vehicle/body/vessel (temporally) until it's released upon what humans consider to be (death.) It then leaves the body, 'soul's' do not die, they are eternal. Depending on the 'soul' most have a life review and can reincarnate or re-occupy new life-form bodies or move on to higher existences depending on circumstances/situations. W/exceptions.

Note: Everything you see is not actually seen externally -photons/signals/light/pixels -keep thinking- received by your eyes are sent to the (retina) then converted into electrical signals that are sent down the optic nerve to the brain where your brain like a TV set hooked up to a cable picks up the information/signals and converts everything into an image instantaneously to see in the back of your head. In metaphor/analogy - Like a TV works when you hit the 'power on' with a remote.

(Metaphorically speaking) Your brain is the digital TV set technology/imagery system that receives information/data from the outside world like a TV set receiving information/signals and converting it into a real time (live organic)i 3D picture.

What is sight? = Technology
What is technology? = Creation

Everything a persons sees is not actually seen at all - it's merely information encoded within energy or 'matter' vibrating at certain frequencies/stations based on the planetary operating system which contains ingredient #1, 2 & (some but not all 3).

If you're interested in further understanding the above in greater detail with better visualizations than I recommend you watch the following video:


“The content of this film is not just a different approach or a philosophical thought: It is a fact which is also proven by Science today!"


Now don't take this in the wrong way – This is only a metaphor/analogy!

(metaphorically speaking) the universal/system/creation/technology is like looking at one of these.



The above LCD Television set shows a metaphor/analogy. Let's compare the TV set picture/reality/channel (if 'souls' really existed inside of TV channels) to the 3D non-material/energy/informational world/creation/technology humans live in that is something truly indescribable/incomprehensible fully to man so don't get the wrong impression/idea thinking that humans actually live in a TV set/channel/station or digitalized computer system because TV's and computers of course are super super beyond low-grade technology. Comparing earth's universal system/creation/technology to a TV set would be like comparing an ants nest to a spaceship.

Ants nest Creation/Design!

Spacecraft/Technology/Design!



(metaphorically speaking) Evolution is a running 'intelligently' designed eco-operating-system/program - encoded with information/software in the energy/matter but the human body did not evolve directly from lower life form ingredient #2 materials, there was intervention.


ET's and those behind the scences of earth seeded the Et_Planet or Plan_Et and humans were Planted/Seeded long before most will ever know, find evidence for or realize.

Homosapien/intelligently designed lifeforms/creation/technology has been around a lot longer than most will ever know.


The more technology humans receive, the more they will start to understand and realize that they themselves are technology on a far more advanced and much higher level than they could ever really/fully understood/comprehend/imagine at this TIME. (metaphorically speaking in the same way that an ant can't comprehend/understand a spaceship.)






As it's been said, if you could only bend/wrap your mind around it, well they meant it.-)




Love & Best Wishes!




posted on Nov, 16 2010 @ 03:34 PM
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I want to thank you for putting so much effort into this post,really clearly depicting the kind of technological leaps that we've made recently, and this should be very obvious to even the average onlooker, this was never by accident, this is ET technology being given us. I knew that we were being upgraded, and I'm starting to really feel once again, because this is obvious, that there are adults overlooking the playground and even just seeing these advancements makes this strong point. We're not alone, and we're not in the wrong hands if we choose Love. And considering that we are like ants, and even our cannons and star wars programs are not in the least bit damamging to ETs, for imagine a colony of ants manning their small ant cannons, against an eagle, or commercial jet. No crafts have downed without deliberate intention to do so. There is only so far and so much that the ones orchestrating things can do, I see that now. But so much has to do with us and our efforts to improve our lot and love others equally.

To just see what we are now doing or are capable of, then relating it to the next steps, the higher grades in this solar system/galaxy/cosmos/ and Finally those Far Beyond this, outside of the cosmos, who's technology we, all of nature, and the cosmos is, is something that is wonderful, inspiring, and we who haven't passed the tests on wars and equality, basic love, still are surrounded by beauty, good things daily, and have Loving Family watching over, thats a humbling thought, and shows how much love everyone has for one another.

We're like cavemen or ants, really compared to ETs, millions of years ahead of us in technology, yet even with the modifications they've given recently we're still billions of years away from the higher level cosmic technology, and that those who have progressed to this higher level are just a tiny fraction of their true selves from the Beyond. Its mind boggling, beyond comprehension, and wonderful, it just throws all the doors/windows wide open, so uplifting.

Even more for the human mind to grasp is the concept that everything we would imagine is in infinite progression, is that its all taking place at once in No Time, without borders. Everthing is All That Is, and always has been, and always will be, including us.

We can "tap" into infinite capabilities and potential when we begin to seek and work on trying to change our reactions and behavior. "Tap in" is a word The Magician's Apprentice used today with me, describing how he wrote his posts last night. He had a breakthrough and his understanding just suddenly occurred all at once, as often happens with an abstract, and he made a couple really good posts, only in good steps to lead one into thinking on this, he said he asked for help and tapped in, before writing this, and it was inspired.

It also shows how scientists have had solutions come in dream time or awake with the answers, and poets/artists speak of muse's.


www.abovetopsecret.com...
Infinity and some general information +^_^+ PART 1

www.abovetopsecret.com...
Infinity and Link between time +^_^+ PART 2 of the Infinity Post

Good thread as well, others sharing their experiences.



This gives me a strong feeling of faith,and tie into the experiences and knowledge I tap into where I know we're being progressed, though it seems like different camps of leaders are trying so hard to control this and using eugenics, I don't think ultimately they have the say, or could ever have this say, but the system is responsive too, to our own state of consciousness individually, and collectively. So helping others gain awareness in this world, and to truly work on what matters the most, is what determines overall our living conditions.

Theres also questions that spring out of your post, but I'll get to those in my next one. It makes me wonder about a few things. And of course then a inner sense of fairness and equality comes up in this as well, of course I'm referring to our level and an even ballpark, playing field.

Just looking at this, its awe inspiring. For all we can become or be, if we an get real, and start to care for each other like a true family, this is so inspiring.



posted on Nov, 16 2010 @ 04:51 PM
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Hi Annee,


You have no idea - - - or maybe you do.

Maybe or maybe not-)


My guides expect Order - Discipline - and Stay the Path. They're like Generals.

They wouldn't want you headed for the death star.


If it weren't for that underlying Love Energy - - I'd ask them to "remove the mask".

Some wear many masks with a room full of costumes.

A few star wars quotes come to mind:

“Your eyes can deceive you, don't trust them.”

“Hokey religions and ancient weapons are no match for a good blaster at your side, kid.”

“It's against my programming to impersonate a deity.”

“Size matters not. Look at me. Judge me by my size, do you?”

“Fear is the path to the Dark Side. Fear leads to anger, anger leads to hate, hate leads to suffering.”

“The fear of loss is a path to the Dark Side.”

“Han Solo - There's always a bigger fish.”

“May the Force be with you."

“You cannot escape your destiny.”

Love & Best Dreams!
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posted on Nov, 16 2010 @ 05:02 PM
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Hi LeoVirgo,


@ETMAN....I want to offer you my sincere compassion

I sincerely appreciate that, thank you.

Love & Best Wishes!



posted on Nov, 16 2010 @ 05:04 PM
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Hi illece,


Would you mind if i send you a private message,i need help on a subject.

Of course not, anytime.
Feel free to U2U or email:
ET_MAN@ymail.com

Love & Best Wishes!



posted on Nov, 16 2010 @ 05:11 PM
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Originally posted by benedict9
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Chris, my thoughts and prayers are with you.

Thank you for being all that you are.

Love you Brother, reading things like that is why I give thanks everyday for my granted blessings. May we be granted the strength to face all things.

Everytime I feel hard done by I remind myself, that there are always others who have it a lot tougher than me. You moved me to tears. If I could, I would give everybody here a hug right now whether anyone felt weird about it or not


We will all be ok.

George


Hi George, Love you too Brother - thanks for the blessings and post.

Hugs all around-)

Best Wishes Always!



posted on Nov, 16 2010 @ 05:22 PM
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Always Follow Your Heart!
An uplifting video...

Love & Best Wishes!



posted on Nov, 16 2010 @ 09:35 PM
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Seriously! If it wasn't for years of experience listening (and not listening) to "my guys" (guides). I'd be very suspicious. But - I've learned the hard way - - - when I go against them my life is total disaster.

Sadly for my Free Will and Independence - - - they are ALWAYS right. Go figure.



posted on Nov, 17 2010 @ 01:46 AM
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Im bidding farewell to this thread. I have thought all evening about ETMANS last posts and for the sake of others feelings I am going to be kind as possible removing myself from this thread. I find these ideas more dark then any religions and I hope to goodness my children are never exposed to the idea that life is not a natural evolving 'something' how ever it all works.

I think the idea that nature and life...are not natural...is as dark as a idea can get. I think there could be multiple personalities going on within some of the people that are experiencing some of their experiences and frankly through my studies in psychology.....this fits the bill to the 't' for 'some'.

Nature is 'of' something....its alive....many have felt this since the days of old.

You can talk about science all you want and things are all energy. This in no way proves your ideas of a 'designer/designers creating this world and placing our 'souls' into it. Just because this world is made of energy does not prove in any way that this is a 'computer system' or simulated reality.

I feel this is blasphemous to the spirit of life and I would rather my children take on any religion and submit to it then to be taught that the spirit of life is not real and nature is not natural.

If there are 'dark beings' or 'elite that want to control'....I think ideas like this....is a way to hold people by the boot straps and cause then to not seek past things like 'experiences'.

Now I see...why some have called such ideas...the new cult that should be feared. It takes away the true sacredness and divinity....of life and the very breath we breath.

Sure, this is a world of energy....but all the other things you teach here....are assumptions from your own perception...that rape the reverence to life itself and its miraculousness.

This was one of the most depressive thoughts I have ever encountered in my life and I fear that my children are going to grow up with this idea somewhere in the world.

How in the world can you all mention the word 'spirit' in any of your belief of a simulated reality where nature is not really natural I will never know. You might as well as leave words like spirit out of all of this for you have just stabbed the idea of spirit of any sort within 'life' in the heart.

The only way this life from this simulated perspective has any worth at all to remain in it...is that somehow you still believe we have a 'natural soul' which really doesnt seem to fit into this whole perspective and to me becomes wishful thinking in your created experiences of being 'infinite selves'. I actually feel sorry for any children growing up with a parent that passes such an idea on to them that life...is not natural and nature....holds no natural life. The holograms we create...do not hold natural life. The computers ect that we make...do not hold the spirit of life. They are not natural manifestations....they are man made and there is a world of difference.

Enjoy your simulated 'reality'. I know there will likely be a response to my posts...and it will be hard to not come back and posts. But the 'spirit' in me tells me to feed this no longer and to just remove myself from it all. It will be hard for me to not come back and stick up for nature and natural 'life' but I have enough posts in the thread that do this.

In a strange way...thank you! You helped me weigh and measure again, the divinity that I find within 'life' itself and its awesomeness. Damn...I wish I could come across as being more kind about this...but it would of been a much worse posts if I would of posted earlier when I had my first reaction to it. And no....my reaction does not say something about myself that I wish to not see of face....my reaction is that this is a insult to the natural nature you are of and we are all of and my worry that children could grow up with such ideas being put into their minds. Take it for what you will...Im sure you can come up with some explanation for my reactions.

Good luck to all on their paths
Lynette



posted on Nov, 17 2010 @ 01:56 AM
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Originally posted by ET_MAN
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Hi LeoVirgo,


@ETMAN....I want to offer you my sincere compassion

I sincerely appreciate that, thank you.

Love & Best Wishes!


You and yours will alwys be in my thoughts...as well as everyone that has participated. I do wish you well and the best...with true intent.

Im sorry...I this is just not a path for me
and thank you for allowing me to 'ex-press' myself in your thread and all the time you took to try to show me your perspective. I take no advantage of the worth of your time and I hope you know that.

Blessings to you and to all



posted on Nov, 17 2010 @ 05:58 AM
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Or to put it another way, this machine has no soul! Emotional intelligence is what we prize above all else Lynette. It's what makes us human and unique to the universe. In 1994 aliens began to seek out truthseekers on this planet (truthseeker1994 for short) to derail humankind's unique path. Trust your emotions and keep reading the energy, your instincts serve you well. Good luck on your journey...



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I think you should start your own thread Lynn, from our private discussions i know that you have much to say and much to teach. best wishes
your friend,Sian.



posted on Nov, 17 2010 @ 07:38 AM
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I think the idea that nature and life...are not natural...is as dark as a idea can get.

Hi LeoVirgo,

First of all I just wanted to say that I think you are viewing this from the wrong perspective, what I've suggested above is no different than what Christianity and many other religions/beliefs out there believe in when it comes to a - 'Intelligent Designer' 'Creator, GOD and so on.

Even Jesus Christ taught about Eternal Life and the afterlife/heavens.

To further respond to this I want to bring up a scriptural thought on this found from the book of Genesis.

Take it as you will.

1 In the beginning God created the heaven and the earth.
2 And the earth was without form, and void; and darkness was upon the face of the deep. And the Spirit of God moved upon the face of the waters.
3 And God said, Let there be light: and there was light.
4 And God saw the light, that it was good: and God divided the light from the darkness.
5 And God called the light Day, and the darkness he called Night. And the evening and the morning were the first day.
6 ¶ And God said, Let there be a firmament in the midst of the waters, and let it divide the waters from the waters.
7 And God made the firmament, and divided the waters which were under the firmament from the waters which were above the firmament: and it was so.
8 And God called the firmament Heaven. And the evening and the morning were the second day.
9 ¶ And God said, Let the waters under the heaven be gathered together unto one place, and let the dry land appear: and it was so.
10 And God called the dry land Earth; and the gathering together of the waters called he Seas: and God saw that it was good.
11 And God said, Let the earth bring forth grass, the herb yielding seed, and the fruit tree yielding fruit after his kind, whose seed is in itself, upon the earth: and it was so.
12 And the earth brought forth grass, and herb yielding seed after his kind, and the tree yielding fruit, whose seed was in itself, after his kind: and God saw that it was good.
13 And the evening and the morning were the third day.
14 ¶ And God said, Let there be lights in the firmament of the heaven to divide the day from the night; and let them be for signs, and for seasons, and for days, and years:
15 And let them be for lights in the firmament of the heaven to give light upon the earth: and it was so.
16 And God made two great lights; the greater light to rule the day, and the lesser light to rule the night: he made the stars also.
17 And God set them in the firmament of the heaven to give light upon the earth,
18 And to rule over the day and over the night, and to divide the light from the darkness: and God saw that it was good.
19 And the evening and the morning were the fourth day.
20 And God said, Let the waters bring forth abundantly the moving creature that hath life, and fowl that may fly above the earth in the open firmament of heaven.
21 And God created great whales, and every living creature that moveth, which the waters brought forth abundantly, after their kind, and every winged fowl after his kind: and God saw that it was good.
22 And God blessed them, saying, Be fruitful, and multiply, and fill the waters in the seas, and let fowl multiply in the earth.
23 And the evening and the morning were the fifth day.
24 ¶ And God said, Let the earth bring forth the living creature after his kind, cattle, and creeping thing, and beast of the earth after his kind: and it was so.
25 And God made the beast of the earth after his kind, and cattle after their kind, and every thing that creepeth upon the earth after his kind: and God saw that it was good.
26 ¶ And God said, Let us make man in our image, after our likeness: and let them have dominion over the fish of the sea, and over the fowl of the air, and over the cattle, and over all the earth, and over every creeping thing that creepeth upon the earth.
27 So God created man in his own image; in the image of God created he him; male and female created he them.
28 And God blessed them, and God said unto them, Be fruitful, and multiply, and replenish the earth, and subdue it: and have dominion over the fish of the sea, and over the fowl of the air, and over every living thing that moveth upon the earth.
29 ¶ And God said, Behold, I have given you every herb bearing seed, which is upon the face of all the earth, and every tree, in the which is the fruit of a tree yielding seed; to you it shall be for meat.
30 And to every beast of the earth, and to every fowl of the air, and to every thing that creepeth upon the earth, wherein there is life, I have given every green herb for meat: and it was so.
31 And God saw every thing that he had made, and, behold, it was very good. And the evening and the morning were the sixth day.


Just because this world is made of energy does not prove in any way that this is a 'computer system' or simulated reality.

Just to clear this up, I haven't suggested that this existence is a simulated reality or computer system but I have used that as a metaphor/analogy since it's one of the most advanced things that humans have ever created – Technology wise.

I posted the holodeck/holographic created realities merely as metaphor and even if humans simulated a super technological/interactive type of world within this one where a person could experience, feel, hear, smell and maybe even taste it would still be an 'Anthill' in comparison to this Universe and the spectacular beauty of the planet, nature and all life that is ALIVE, REAL and ETERNAL. Anything that humans create on this planet never could even come close whatsoever, to Life as we know it. I do see that you've taken the post from an entirely different angle/view/perspective than how I intended it to be taken.

There are many in the world who believe in an 'Intelligent Designer' A Creator and/or GOD for Man in this 1 Universe/Creation of 'Infinite.'


I would rather my children take on any religion and submit to it then to be taught that the spirit of life is not real and nature is not natural.

The spirit of life is 'Eternal' and all things are 'Eternal' but everything was organized and placed into Creation by a Creator. If you want to call that natural then you can because the elements/materials of everything are NOT simulated but are 'Eternal' and have always existed in one form or another.


.is a way to hold people by the boot straps and cause then to not seek past things like 'experiences'.

I realize you have suggested this in many of your posts about how people believe what they do out of 'fear' of losing self or because that is how they want it to be and have a hard time accepting or facing the reality that we cease to exist and are recycled upon death and that's fine I can respect your belief/view on that.

There are some things that you've written about me in subtle ways which could be taken as insults but I do my best to always pass these type of things up and maybe that is all I should say on that. I'm quite familiar with your belief/philosophy about things from reading over your posts as well as being part of a few online religious discussion forums. I respect your beliefs and views and if it wasn't for my own personal experiences that were as physical as life on this planet as we know it then I would most definitely put into question everything as I've always been a so called 'truth seeker' from an early age on in life. And you may notice I'm using the word life because yes 'We are Alive' and this is 'Life' I've never suggested it to be artificial or that we are artificial intelligence. I'm sorry that you've taken this in the wrong way, I can only say maybe review what I've written. Many others out there do believe in an 'Intelligent Designer' Creator/GOD when it comes to 'Genesis' for man and Creation where E=MC2 or Matter was Organized/Created from 'Eternal' materials to bring forth such an 'awesome 'LIVE' Creation.


How in the world can you all mention the word 'spirit' in any of your belief of a simulated reality where nature is not really natural I will never know.

I see that you've really taken the post in an entirely different way than it was intended. I've used things as simulations holographic realities/worlds in metaphor because it's the only thing humans can come close to using (in comparison/analogy) that we have in all of human Creation to compare it with to Life as we know it, that is very much --- 'ALIVE' and a very 'REAL' reality that we are experiencing, however you must consider that there are also many 'Illusions' in this world that perhaps are not as they may seem to us in comparison for the Creator. Illusions of the 'mind' that is but the post I made was never to suggest that we are inside some type of computerized matrix system like in the movie --- NO not at all. I've tried to get people to think 'Out of the Box' a little and realize that Creation for the Creator/Creators of 'Infinite' Creators is the same thing as us organizing matter and putting it into creation down here on Earth. Matter/Energy is also 'Eternal' and has been around forever in one form or another and we take and use some of this matter ourselves on Earth and we Design/Create automobiles, shopping malls, clothing and other such things out of these materials.

It doesn't mean this world is not real or Alive. Now from human perspective would we call the technologies we've created Natural? NO probably not but man-made, but the materials in which we constructed them from do come from 'Eternal' materials such as 'Energy/Matter.' Therefore these technologies can also be recycled and many out there are recycling things all the time such as water bottles, soft drink cans and so on as an example. Our very bodies break down when we pass on from them and the materials of the human body return to the dust. So the materials or 'energy/matter' of our bodies is REAL and is ETERNAL however there is much more to 'Us' 'All of us' on this planet than just dust and 'Eternal/Matter' there is a spirit and soul behind our bodies and many animals found in nature also have 'souls.' Among other things, virtually anything can have an eternal 'spirit/soul' placed into it but it doesn't mean that all things do have a 'soul/spirit' in them such as coke cans and water bottles for example. Such things are just matter/energy and can be recycled but they are 'eternal' and have always been.

Consider some of the illusions intentionally placed in this world for humans by design that we do not see or realize as this LIFE was meant to be a 'Veil of forgetfulness' so that we could have freewill to choose our own path without influence of knowing why we were placed on this planet or where we came from exactly. This was necessary and this is all part of the earth life/school/experience/test --- that is why our human minds do not have access to our preexistence Memories of 'Existing' before we came to be on this planet. If I never had my own type of personal experiences about their being an afterlife than I would also be in question but deep down inside that same spirit feeling you receive within yourself that tells you that you are 'Eternal' and part of something much greater than just your temporal self is what tells you that you are an 'Eternal being' at right being Daughter of an Eternal Family connected to them and created in their own image/likeness/Design of them.

Such goes the saying 'As Above So Below” --- Like Father like Son, Like Mother like Daughter.'


You might as well as leave words like spirit out of all of this for you have just stabbed the idea of spirit of any sort within 'life' in the heart.

I am very much at Peace with the spirit inside of me, I do take reverence as you put it to the 'Spirit' that connects all of us. You have interpreted some of the posts I've made in your own way. There is a 'oneness' in likeness/design found but in many unique ways, there is not just 1 type of relationship/connection or 'oneness' we share.

A few thoughts on that.

All Energy is 'One' in likeness being Energy ---'One' Energy and Eternal Matter.
All Spirit is 'One' in likeness being spirit or Eternal 'Spirit.'
All Family is 'One' in likeness being Family or Father, Mother, Daughter, Son and so on.
There are Eternal relationships and connections we have one-1 to another in likeness being spirit Family and Eternal.

Just because we all have an Eternal spirit inside of us doesn't mean that we are all the same person or being. There is another spirit that connects eternal 'souls' one-1 to another or a Holy Spirit that we can tune into. We all can share this spirit and that spirit is of Love, Peace and Comfort. The spirit of Christ and of Truth some consider this to be the Holy Ghost. Just because we can all tune in and share this spirit doesn't mean we are all ONE person or being ---but we are connected in relationship/likeness to one-1 another being Sons and Daughters of an Eternal Father & Mother (Family) we have in the Heavens above. The relationship of a 'FAMILY' on Earth shows us the truth.

'As Above So Below, Like Father like Son, Like Daughter like Mother' We are connected in likeness in spirit being 'Family' but we are all unique just like our very Earth life family is unique and each has their own spirit personalities. That is not an illusion, the illusion is the matter behind our human bodies and this material world. It is Energy/Matter some of which is like coke cans and water bottles that is without consciousness and can be recycled but we are not like coke cans or water bottles and Our Father, Mother and Family in the Heavens/Existences above would never recycle us like coke cans or bottles in the same way that we would never wish our own children to be recycled.

FAMILIES ARE FOREVER!

The family demonstrates the Like Father Like Son. Like Daughter like Mother relationship and this is what reflects all of 'Infinity/Eternity' showing us the truth of 'AS ABOVE SO BELOW.'

I know that you also feel and know that we are all part of something much greater than 'self' and you are very right Lynette we are part of an 'ETERNAL FAMILY' which is in the Heavens that loves us and we do have a Father, Mother, Grandfather, Great grandfather and so on just like we do on Earth. AS ABOVE SO BELOW. This is what we consider to be our 'Eternal' or 'Spirit' Family which is also Eternal in the same way that all 'Matter/Energy' is eternal. But there is a difference between coke cans, water bottles and spirits/souls like us that are aware and we use the coke cans and water bottles. We recycle them and we create new things with this energy and matter. So does our Family in the Heavens create new things and organize Energy/Matter into Creation. But they do not re-organize/recycle the eternal spirit only the 'Matter/Energy' that exists or the 1st ingredient that is simply energy/matter like coke cans and water bottles and they use such energy/matter to create wonderful things such as planets, suns, galaxies and other types of Creation.


The only way this life from this simulated perspective has any worth at all to remain in it...is that somehow you still believe we have a 'natural soul' which really doesnt seem to fit into this whole perspective and to me becomes wishful thinking in your created experiences of being 'infinite selves'.

I wouldn't even use the word 'natural' and maybe I look upon the word differently than others, I would call our 'Souls' ETERNAL. Our Eternal spirits/souls only temporally occupy these body/vessels of matter but the 'Soul' lives on forever unlike the coke cans, dirt and water bottles do. Energy and Matter can be recycled, used to create new things in materials like shown on planet Earth today we recycle things and use them to Create new things. That is how 'Matter/Energy' works and the Creator also works in such a way with 'Matter/Energy' and organizes recycles it but the 'Spirit' or 'Soul' found within this 'Matter/Energy' is not recycled. How could a Father ever recycle his son? The Family and Father/Mother in the Heavens loves us and would never recycle us and they know us better than we know ourselves. We will remember much more and become much more aware of all of this when the 'Veil' is lifted upon leaving the body/vessel of our Energy/matter/e=mc2 bodies which are only temporally setup/designed for us to experience them. Then this matter or BODY as we know it will be recycled but our 'Spirit/Soul' will move on and return to our Father/Mother and (Family) in the Heavens/Utopia existences above (call them what you will.)


The holograms we create...do not hold natural life.

Nor do the water bottles and coke cans we drink and this shows that E=MC2 can be recycled and used again for us to Create something out of it. This goes to show that the very earth itself has E=MC2 that we humans even use to organize and create things for our own purpose/design. This is similar to how things were organized/created for the Creator/Creators or (Family) on a much higher level. Instead of them creating airports, shopping malls, food containers and so on they organized and Created planets, worlds, suns and the Universe from E=MC2 which is also 'Eternal' but for them it may not be 'natural.' ETERNAL is a better word to use in this case since we also don't call our water bottles and coke cans 'natural' nor do we consider our computers and TV's to be natural either. But nevertheless they are creations made by our own hands and this planet and Universe was created/designed by an 'Intelligent Creator/Creators' in the same fashion ---'AS ABOVE SO BELOW.'


The computers ect that we make...do not hold the spirit of life. They are not natural manifestations....they are man made and there is a world of difference.

I agree, and I hope that this part has been made clear that the materials we've created come from the Earth and are merely Einstein formula or E=MC2/'Energy/Matter.' They are not natural but they can be recycled and are 'ETERNAL' and were organized into something that we as humans down here decided to Create out of them. Again in the same way that all things were also organized and Created by the Creator/Creators/Family.


In a strange way...thank you! You helped me weigh and measure again, the divinity that I find within 'life' itself and its awesomeness.

I also find Divinity in Creation and all things that are Eternal and I know that in many subtle ways you've been suggesting this all along or as you put it --- As one stumbles down the staircase another seems to find themselves on stronger ground or something to that affect. That is perfectly fine Lynette if you feel that you are right and I know this is really what you are meaning to say. But it's OK, it doesn't change WHAT IS and all things are ETERNAL and Families are Forever and you are part of that Eternal Family we have and I feel that you will be overjoyed in tears when you pass away and the veil as been lifted from your eyes only to meet with your MANY Loved one's on the other side that all know you better than you know yourself in this lifetime. They understand you, they love you and they will be there for you as well. Your brother, grandparents and all of them will be there. This isn't hopeful or wishful thinking because we want it to be that way, it's because IT IS that way. If I knew that what you were sharing with me was the truth along the lines of 'pantheism/Buddhism then I would accept it --- but then again I probably would never have made it back into my body from an experience I had if that was the case. I would have just been recycled instantly and not been aware of it anymore. I just want you to know that I do understand where you are coming from and I do have Love and Respect for you and all living things on this planet moreso than you may think/realize Lynette but I do recognize that water bottles and coke cans are man-made products from the Earth without Eternal 'Soul' however the matter/energy they are made of is Eternal.


I wish I could come across as being more kind about this..

You are doing just fine Lynette and thanks, I do understand and I hope that I'm being kind enough to you as well. I don't mean to come off sounding unkind if anything is taken that way it's not my intentions at all. I truly hope this post clears some things up!


And no....my reaction does not say something about myself

That's fine, you are a great spirit Lynette and I know you are sincere, genuine and loving and I can see that's why such a suggestion of humans living in a matrix system would be taken so offensively because of those deep feelings you hold within about all life and Creation. I do hope you realize that I've never suggested we are living in a type of matrix in the way you've described but that I've used some of the human technologies as comparisons/metaphor/analogy to the grandness of this vast and REAL, ALIVE, universe that consists of E=MC2 Matter/Energy in all of it's Creation.


You and yours will alwys be in my thoughts...as well as everyone that has participated. I do wish you well and the best...with true intent.

Thank you so much and I know you mean it, I can feel that and I also have love for you and for everyone --- we are FAMILY and you are part of something much greater than just your temporal earth/life 'self' which is an Eternal Family. I know that we will all meet one day in the midst of Eternity.


Good luck to all on their paths
Lynette

Thank you and my deepest/sincerest apologies if you've been upset or hurt over anything that I've written.

Love to you always,
Best Wishes!



posted on Nov, 17 2010 @ 07:43 AM
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life is moving towards becoming more mechanical and technologically computerized than ever before, even though there are many helpful uses for such non natural implants or devices that replace certain body or human organ parts, the main concern is that technological control will also be implemented by certain parties as ptb. when man becomes more machine than human, through use of chips as implants, products which then control use of operating systems, hardware and software programs through which things such as banking, medical, food and supplies, all else that is then connected to the great hub that works only through those who then use this technology, everything under total control by the few powerful corperations who own and impliment this course of improvement onto society as a whole, is when chaos becomes conflict, those who don't comply are left to their own means and survival, without access, without income, without means of escape. technology that divides and conquers all who resist or choose to stay more human than those for machine.



The book "A Divine Revelation of Hell" by Mary K. Baxter published in December 1993, had a stark revelation in it about the future. A woman that was feeling very angry all the time, went to a doctor who after being treated had no more anger, she became emotionless after she encountered that beast technology. 20 years later, that technology to start or stop emotions is now within the scientist fingertips, the linking of computers and human brains is becoming a reality.




Revelation 13:16-18 (KJV)
16 And he causeth all, both small and great, rich and poor, free and bond, to receivee a mark in their right hand, or in their foreheads: 17 And that no man might buy or sell, save he that had the mark, or the name of the beast, or the number of his name. 18 Here is wisdom. Let him that hath understanding count the number of the beast: for it is the number of a man;and his number is Six hundred threescore and six.




In the above bible verse these beast people have a mark in their foreheads or in their hand, have become so alien to God that they are rejected by God. When the technology finally arrives in full and people can switch off and on emotions among other things simply by being directly connected to a computer through there brains, the question arises who are they or what are they?

They have sold their souls to the software of the False Prophet and become one with the beast.





worship continues and becomes stonger every year towards false idols such as technology and devices which can change a person's personality, belief and even lifestyle away from all of nature and soul within.




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I just wanted to add this video in again, the first few minutes sum up a lot of what I just posted on about the human body being matter but the spirit/soul residing within the body is NOT just matter but 'Eternal.

This is shown in the first few minutes of the video and it also shows how things can be someday where WHAT DREAMS MAY COME where we can directly organize and create things from 'Thought' like the Creators/Designers who organized and created this universe from E=MC2 Matter/Energy.

"Let there be Light and there was Light."

On earth we say 'Turn on the Light"

The Energy of this universe has always existed in one form or another and so has our Eternal Spirit.


LOVE & PEACE!



posted on Nov, 17 2010 @ 08:23 AM
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Hi Et-man, I think our creator looks down on us and is full of joy when he sees the diversity of our ideas and beliefs, even the little disagreements, because he created us to create. However, there is something that is causing me to be angst ridden at the moment, recently im seeing more and more examples of evil and extreme goodness, and im starting to think that ultimatetly what is the truth is, that one cannot exist without the other, example, i saw a tv programme where a millionaire gave away a substantial part of his fortune to help the homeless, and thought if these homeless hadnt existed, if theyd not been made homeless by an unfair and uncaring society, this guy could have done the good that he did. Does this mean that evil will always exist? do we need it for our survival and progression, im hoping your going to say no, because i cant take much more of it. thanks



posted on Nov, 17 2010 @ 08:57 AM
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The way you feel at the concept of being one of an Infinite Family progressing, increasing in Love and Consciousness and the ability to help others, in school, in a creation, (its really more like a Creation within a Creation within a Creation, for every time we step out of this one, when the lessons are over here, we're in a Greater One from yet another Beyond.) as a negative, but maintain this One recycling idea that involves loss of self and surrender to non-existence, as a positive, is a very alarming to me.

And though this metaphor to a 3d computer, it is a hologram, they've found the pixels and those tiny bits of material energy in the great empty infinite space of an atom are like pixels too. This is an interactive/simulated reality and I was taken out of it in a meditation to that mid way place of reviews, and also stood on it like a giant poster and couldnt get back in. This Universe is a created reality for us to grow and learn in.

And this is most incredible, journey, filled with real Love/contact and outreached hands for us on each step of the way, we are never alone, and everyone can turn their lives around, and the Family love us so much,that intervention happens on personal levels all the time. Even an individual can be in a different time frame than their family without knowing it. Like my experience/masked dream where I was told that this day took 9 days to complete, everyone in a family could be experiencing "time" differently, and a child could be 10 years ahead in time from our perspective, for we are experiencing a perception.

Thats the thing about our world is its our perception. So for a person who needs extra "time" that can be given, without them even being aware that it was given, since there is no time at all and any use of it is as using a program.

We certainly are seeing dark thoughts in different things. For you its the eternal progression of souls and the created schools, and ourselves being eternal/progressing, with so much interaction and Family around us when we begin to wake up, and for me its, this endless One who cares little for the suffering of all of its feelers, they're merely functions after all and endlessly recycle to suffer all over again pointlessly, but at least in the meantime, there may be some real Divine energy in nature to connect with?

We're infinite beings LV, and when we pass these tests there's a oneness, a universal understanding, where everyone's innermost thoughts are understood,and the Spirit of Love, between us, and its so wonderful, its humbling and liberating all at the same time.

You react as if you cannot bear to hear another's views, and this is the OP, who has had a significant journey behind the veil of whats here in his nde and ongoing experiences, and should be accorded the same respect and consideration to share as anyone else, wouldn't you think. And what he was shown, expresses, is the most wonderful never ending journey amid a wonderful never ending family. And we're all a part of this.

Much Love, Peace, and Goodwill!



posted on Nov, 17 2010 @ 09:01 AM
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Hi Redgy,

Technology as anything can be used for good and for bad.

Humans need shelter, clothing, transportation, materials and so on to live and survive and technology is a blessing for them.

It's when humans use technology for purposes that are not good that is bad---such as to control, invade, divide and conquer as you put it going after a weaker and/or smaller nation out of selfishness and greed.

It's when humans use technology to mind control or use and abuse others for their own selfishness and greed that is not good.

Greater technology requires greater responsibility.

Humans of course have the nuclear capability to blow everything up and destroy the world as we know it but do you really think that the Creators/Designers (Family) overlooking this school could ever allow that to happen?

NO - They won't, but some things will come and wars have always been prevalent on earth and the day will come that things will change for the better but first (Everyone on this planet) must take responsibility for their own actions and start treating each other in a better way. The so called PTB are not the only one's to point fingers at but also 'We the people' must take responsibility and accountability for our own actions.

"The day will come that Earth shall reel to and fro and greater signs and wonders will be seen in the Heavens above."

There's a reason why certain prophecies were given to man, some prophecies have come to pass and some are yet to come.

Our Family and Father in the Heavens above (The Creator/Creators) for us on this planet will intervene if so called 'powers that be' ever attempted to blow up this planet or make slaves out of everyone through mind control.

It's easy to point fingers and start blaming people for things occurring in the world but the one's who are behind such things are not always the faces seen on TV or known by the mainstream media/public.

As Benedict9 wrote, there are groups on this planet working against mankind with not the best interest in mind for humanity but there are also groups working for and in behalf of us.

One thing I am sure of is that our (Family) and Father in the Heavens above is watching over this earth-life/school/existence and sometimes things occur in our lives and are allowed to happen for our own good whether we realize that/see it or not.

We are being taught lessons in this life and we are being watched over and guided more than most realize.


Kindest Regards,
Love & Best Wishes!



posted on Nov, 17 2010 @ 09:15 AM
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Fractal Mathematical Rabbit Hole

That this fractal is not just one, but interconnected to, and even within, Infinite numbers of fractals, is so freeing and inspiring, its like the lid and side of the box we're in has just been removed for a big peak at wonderful reality. And we belong to a Family, and have Father/Mother, and Grandparents and Great Grandparents, except there is No Time, and its all happening at once, including our Infinite progression so we're all equal in potentials at each step of the way, though at a different grades.

That nature, is complex and interactive, and somewhat like a mirror for us and that if we really reached love collectively on this planet, the lion would lie down with the lamb, and nature would be in harmony. There are intelligent species and dolphins have been found to call each other by name, so we should have a great respect and reverence for the wonder of the world around us and the life within it, but I'm also somewhat happy to realize that people are never forced to live out their lives as ants in an anthill literally, souls are not placed into much of nature, I mean, because with the lack of awareness and unconditional love already displayed in every nation, we're already ants in an anthill, in our level of consciousness, yet what a beautiful anthill it is. Though some of us have been part of injustices and wars, and hurting others in the past, we've been given another chance, and then another, and surrounded by beauty and abundance, if we can only open our eyes and see, and interacts with us. Like last winter/spring early when I was missing the birds. I went out for a walk and was sungazing a bit, and yearning for bird song, for they hadn't returned, only to discover the very next day I was greeted by wonderful birdsong.

We're given so many things here, to show us how to give good things to others, and to make ourselves gifts to each other.
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posted on Nov, 17 2010 @ 10:38 AM
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Hi Annee,


Seriously! If it wasn't for years of experience listening (and not listening) to "my guys" (guides).

Guys/Guides, that is a thought. lol


I'd be very suspicious. But - I've learned the hard way - - - when I go against them my life is total disaster.

Always follow your heart


Sadly for my Free Will and Independence

You still have freewill but you have chosen to listen to the spirit and guides which is only a good thing. So it's actually you making the choices after all if you think about it.-)

There are many in the world that are not listening even though the spirit family and guides are always reaching out to guide and assist them. They choose to not listen, some knowing they are being called while others have been blinded by the world around them unaware of the beckoning call. "Go this way and avoid the trouble.'


- - - they are ALWAYS right. Go figure.

Like the Teachers in school when you argue with them about a question on the test. Lol

Love & Best Wishes!





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