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Hidden Hand Message - Law Of One - Discussion!

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posted on Nov, 13 2010 @ 09:15 PM
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Hi LeoVirgo,


The infinite energy consciousness does not have a name or label...is just is and the term 'IAM' suits it better then anything. I use 'God' because it describes a singularity and not a plural,

It's quite clear that you have some pretty strong beliefs in the area of Pantheism/Hinduism/Buddhism mixed in with the Law of One together in your own way from what I've read so far.


Pantheism is the view that the Universe (Nature) and God are identical.[1] Pantheists thus do not believe in a personal, anthropomorphic or creator god. The word derives from the Ancient Greek: πᾶν (pan) meaning ‘all’ and θεός (theos) meaning ‘God’. As such, Pantheism denotes the idea that “God” is best seen as a way of relating to the Universe.[2] Although there are divergences within Pantheism, the central ideas found in almost all versions are the Cosmos as an all-encompassing unity and the sacredness of Nature.

Regardless of whatever differences we have in belief it's like you put it – It's the intent of our heart that truly counts, how we treat others, our thoughts, actions, interactions and reactions with others.. I have respect and love for everyone regardless of differences in belief and I think everyone should carry that same spirit within them that I consider to be the true spirit of LOVE, the spirit of Christ or the Holy Spirit that connects us all.

It doesn't mean that the Spirit of Love or the Holy Spirit is 'all of us' or 'us' only that it's a spirit of comfort and peace and a spirit that we can obtain/tune into and connect with. It's a spirit that connects us back to our eternal Family in the Utopia Existences/Heavens that are endless.

One in spirit and in likeness/design...One family linked like a chain one to another or stairway to heaven being family on different levels of progression like father, mother children and so on infinitely.


So do you feel like this Divine Light is something that we all share, or do you see it as we all have a separate divine light...like a separate spirit?

As the snowflakes, planets are different and unique so is every unique separate individual 'soul.'
'Souls' are eternal and linked to one another in likeness/design and through spirit being infinite (in metaphor) connected like a chain as one eternal Family. Understanding all that a 'soul' truly represents/means/IS - is not a possible thing to do at a finite earth level - in the same way that one-1 cannot fully understand/comprehend INFINITY. At this level a 'soul' occupying the human finite 'time machine/body cannot fully grasp/understand/comprehend it. Humans have a hard enough time understanding their own physical world and body in which they live - how can anyone-1 expect them to ever come close to understanding and figuring out what's beyond that thing they call 'matter..'

There's lots of light/energy-signals/photons and pixels flying around...

Here's a quote forwarded to me by someone from Sleeper/Lou Baldin that falls in line with some of this discussion.


”Lou,
I hate to sound so unreasonable, but considering the glowing ball our soul is that constitutes material unknown to us - is our Sun (or stars in general) also a 'soul' of some sort? Since it is also a glowing ball of unknown material.
Thanks!”

“Many people throughout the ages have worshiped the sun as a god. The sun is special, all stars are, but they expire and souls don't. The soul is made of something much more mysterious than the sun or anything else for that "matter". Matter, get it? The soul is not "matter" as is light and everything else we see in 3D land.” Sleeper/Lou Baldin


If the Divine Light is the same within us all, having the same nature....why would we all find different understandings if that is truly what we are all 'tuned' into?

Because we all have unique separate individual eternal 'souls' like the snowflakes and planets that differ however we all share a commonality in likeness design/creation being Infinite.


If its not different, and we all hold this same divine light within us...isnt that a sort of 'oneness'?

You could say that we are all ONE in spirit and in likeness/design being 'Infinite' - But we are not ONE as in the same soul/being but Infinite ONE-1 within INFINITY.


Why do others cling to this idea there is no center....when everything you can observe in the design of this physical existence shows a 'center'.

Center is a 'finite' idea based on 'finite' human understanding/awareness/perception of INFINITY that is incomprehensible to a 'finite' being and there is no such thing as a physical existence in the way you believe it to be.

For someone to suggest that there's a 'center' is to suggest that the universe is 'finite.'

The universe is NOT 'finite' and there is no such thing as a 'Center' when it comes to INFINITY no what if's or buts about it.

There are Infinite channels/dimensions/stations/existences (call them what you will) not just this tiny/little infinite inwards universe that is also 'infinite' in itself like a grain of sand.

THINK BIG: Where there's no such thing as BIG.


I am not seeing this from a finite view....just because I know my 'being' is finite,

Yes you are seeing it from a 'finite' view and so is everyone-1 here discussing, understanding what INFINITY truly represents/means/IS – Is to understand how little one really knows - INFINITY being incomprehensible to human understanding where there is no little or size. All one-1 can do at this point is reason/philosophize and touch upon the most basic fundamental/understandings of such a thing as INFINITY. This is baby talk to any higher level awareness being existing within this galaxy. We are talking about Da Da Da and Ma Ma Ma --- ABC and 123 - in comparison to a higher awareness discussion on INFINITY.


How can you say you believe in a cosmic mother or creator 'father' and still you believe that you had no beginning?

What came first the chicken or the egg? Answer: Neither

Both have always been and both will always be, without beginning or ending!


One could look at space like the 'working mind of God'.

Or one could see it as 'Intelligently Designed Creation, which it IS.


It has no need for progression, for its perfect.

So you do consider the world then to be in a perfect state of existence?

Is there truly perfection happening on earth and true unity?

Do we not see progression and signs of progression in all things and in the universe?

Are you not progressing now just in existing as a person/soul/being experiencing the life that you are?

Do you feel that you know more now at your current age being a mother than you did as a child?

Progression is never-ending and you are in the process of it now experiencing, that is why we call it Eternal Progression because there is always something more to look forward to and progress to.

How boring would it be for someone to be 'All knowing' and live forever Eternally?

A Creator or Creators/Designers can be all knowing of their Creation however there's always a Creation beyond just ONE-1 Creator of Infinite ONE-1 Others.

Truthfully, grasping the basic fundamentals of INFINITY is not an easy thing to do for the 'Finite' TIME being.

Humans are occupying 'finite' bodies at this time and they use their brains/minds to 'think' and reason, make sense of things, philosophize in understanding/computing what INFINITY really means/represents/IS but it cannot be done and is incomprehensible for those occupying the 'finite' bodies and 'TIME' machine bodies.

'TIME' Machine bodies because it's their Brain and Mind that moves them forward in TIME and everyone is moving forward at a different level/rate/pace/speed based on their current level of understanding/awareness/perception among other unspoken things.


I know, there is a center and this center is energy consciousness, the only thing that has potential to be infinitely always 'Be-ING'...some call it 'God'.

So then we must ask - what makes you so sure of yourself?

If the 'center' is energy consciousness then what is this energy consciousness the center of?

What is outside of the center of this energy consciousness?

Center according to human definition implies location as being the middle or center of something but you of course should already know that.

What is beyond this center of 'energy consciousness'?


Just because there is a 'center' or 'origin' does not mean that infinity is not a truth. We may need to change our perspective of how infinity works.

You mean our perspective to a finite perspective where we can believe there is a center?

Or change our perspective to a finite perspective where we can believe that the universe ends?

I'm sure some are on the same page as you and have tried to do the same thing since they cannot bend/wrap their minds around no beginning or end, start point or end point, top, bottom, middle or center.

So then the Universe is Finite and there is a center to this Finite Universe which also is Finite within.

Then there could be a center but the question then arises, if the Universe is finite what is beyond the end of the universe?

Is there a sign that says THE END, no more, there is nothing beyond this point or maybe a solid wall of concrete.


When I talk about a center....I am not talking about location. It is all things, it is of all things, all things are of it.

So are you saying that all things are the center of 'Infinity' but without location?

The above suggestion that all things are the 'center' is similar to suggesting non-locality.


What does it mean to have 'other universes'? For a Universe is supposed to represent 'all that there is'.

Do you believe that this universe is 'All that there is.'?

Who says that a grain of sand universe is supposed to represent 'All that there is.'?

Sounds like a very human finite idea.

With all due respect, what I see is someone that sees only a grain of sand existence or this universe and believes that it's 'All that is.' I see someone looking at this universe as being the only thing in existence believing that it is GOD or IAM a one minded being 'one consciousness' and it just IS along the lines of Pantheism that it's more like a non-entity just IAM type of MACHINE of consciousness that just recycles itself over and over. Almost like a ONE consciousness washing machine on spin cycle continually recycling itself.

Anyway, I'm just trying to further figure out and make sense of what you believe in as well because honestly I also find it hard to understand how anyone can see life and the universe in this way. But I've tried to see how you view it and understand what you mean but it just doesn't work out within INFINITY and if someone try's to figure out the fundamental/basic understandings/concepts of INFINITY that can be understood/comprehended to a certain level/degree they could see that.

INFINITY can be understood better if one-1 takes more TIME to think about it and try to better understand it. I highly recommend to anyone interested in further understanding that nothing can be just ONE within INFINITY due to what INFINITY means/represents/IS to do some more thinking about it and homework/pondering about it. Many answers to this existence and everything behind it lies in better understanding the fundamental/basic understandings/concepts of INFINITY and what 'All that is' Truly means/represents/IS.

Once one-1 begins to touch upon the fundamental/basic understandings they then realize how little they really know where there's no such thing as little. That is why nobody on Earth can know it, neither has it entered into the heart and mind of man what things lie ahead and are in store for them. Imagine so called modern day humans going back in time with a time machine to caveman days with all of their so called highly sophisticated technology. The cavemen could barely understand it even if the modern day man could have a perfect conversation with them. Imagine those beyond this grain of sand infinite inwards universe WAY WAY WAY and can I say WAY many more times please LOL -----AHEAD of us what kind of things they have that we could NEVER EVER even begin to imagine let alone bend/wrap our minds around...lol Indescribable - neither has it ever entered into the heart and mind of man what things lie in store for them.

Here's a thread where Unity_99 and I posted a few more things on INFINITY for those of you interested-www.abovetopsecret.com...


Do you not believe in a creator?

I do and more than just ONE, this universe/channel is just ONE of Infinite ONE-1 Intelligently Designed/Created Universes/Existences/Creations/Dimensions/Channels/Stations/Realms/Technology (call it what you will) among endless others.

Endless -Worlds without number.
I am what I am,
You are what you are,
They are what they are,
Eternal Family is what everyone-1 (IS) being (Infinite self)




To think is to create. What ever you 'think' -is 'real' to you....is it not?

Thoughts can attract and we can be given certain things based on what we hope/desire/wish/pray for but everything one-1 thinks does not manifest according to their desire. (Not in this existence) You don't get everything you want or ask for. Thoughts are not what created this universe however it did take some intelligently designed thinking first in order to organize/create it but the 'materials' of it are eternal and have always existed in one form or another (without consciousness) and most materials of this universe are (without consciousness) Lots of scraps for the Creator/Creators/Designers/builders like a manufacturing facility of automobiles.

Everything was organized/created from the Intelligently Designed – Creators/Designers who are on a much higher level of progression than we are. If I was to tell you now where there's no such thing as higher or lower than you probably won't get it until you think further about what size really is/means where there is no size within 'Infinity.' Understanding more about INFINITY can unlock some things for you in understanding and it's clear that some here need some more unlocking to get past the 'center' and ONE Universe mind being 'All that is' part.

I think everyone-1 should watch the following video below if they haven't yet seen it already. It's an easy to understand video showing some of the deepest images of space yet captured by the hubble according to man. The Universe is Infinite but not only is it 'Infinite' but it's still equivalent and no greater or lesser than a grain of sand to the rest of what's out there beyond this Universe with Infinite Channels/stations/dimensions/existences/Creation/Technology (call it what you will) among endless others and so on. Beyond and Beyond and Beyond Infinitely.



We both know in the end....our intent of a true heart is what matters. We only wish together, for blue skies and happy children.

As you put it- It truly is the intent of our heart that counts and how we treat others, our thoughts, actions, interactions and reactions to and with others. Our wishes/hopes/dreams do count and I only hope an wish the best for everyone ONE-1, as you put it - blue skies, peace, love and happy children. I also look forward to re-uniting with our loved one's - parents, siblings, children (FAMILY) in higher existences. For those who get it - where there is no higher, lower, greater, lesser and so on forever.


Love & respect to you always,
Best Wishes!




posted on Nov, 13 2010 @ 09:44 PM
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I totally agree and have no issues with that....stop acting like Im disputing the obvious.

Hi again LeoVirgo,

Just a quick follow up, from what I was getting off some of your posts, it did sound like you were disagreeing with it.

That was the main reason why I emphasized what I did in the post.

I'm glad to hear that you already knew about most of what was shown to you in that particular video.

I think I'm going to use this as an added quote to most of the posts from now:


"Regardless of whatever differences we have in belief - It's the intent of our heart that truly counts, how we treat others, our thoughts, actions, interactions and reactions with others.. I have respect and love for everyone regardless of differences in belief and I think everyone should carry that same spirit within them that I consider to be the spirit of LOVE, the spirit of Christ or the Holy Spirit that connects us all."

Love & Best Wishes Always!



posted on Nov, 13 2010 @ 09:47 PM
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You didnt, his ego is very predictable as uses the same few tactics repetitively, one of them being "putting words in your mouth, then claiming those words false", this is done to make ego seem "right" even though it has no argument with the actual posts so will invent or twist words into something it can argue with.


When do you see him displaying ego, except in its definition as self, which we all do, and self is an eternal gift to every single soul in existence?

Things are repeated, because they're complex in order for others to understand where this is coming from, what is the full understanding, as full an understanding as can be, considering where we are and the nature of our perceptions. And they're shared, due to the comments others are making, in this thread on a discussion board where people respond to posts, in part to try and answer LV's own questions and her asking others to help her understand where we're coming from and in part, to explain fully his and my understanding.


Also, I is not a part of the problem, its the reality of existence for everyone. Lack of love is.

Again, Infinity: One is a Limit that cannot exist in an Infinite system of any kind. Measurement or locality cannot exist in infinity either. Examine it deeply. And examine what Infinity means to you and your own unique consciousness. But No Limits and Non-Locality are absolute givens for Infinity.


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posted on Nov, 13 2010 @ 10:02 PM
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Hi Brother Polarwarrior,

All I got out of your post was ego, ego, ego.

Well,,, can you please leggo my ego.lol


Seriously, I hope that we are not reverting back to the name calling tactics again of someone being possessed or demonic. lol

The only question I have for you is...

What made you post what you did?

Could it have possibly been your own ego?


I have Love for you Brother and I've always been kind with you in discussion even though you have called me some pretty nasty things 'Demonic' and so on. lol

It's OK, it's all good and feel free to think/choose/post anything you want.

Something for you and for everyone-1 of course:

"Regardless of whatever differences we have in belief - It's the intent of our heart that truly counts, how we treat others, our thoughts, actions, interactions and reactions with others.. I have respect and love for everyone regardless of differences in belief and I think everyone should carry that same spirit within them that I consider to be the spirit of LOVE, the spirit of Christ or the Holy Spirit that connects us all."

Love & Best Wishes Always!

p.s. I would love for you to join us in our discussion on the ONE and INFINITY since I know your views are quite different than LeoVirgo's yet similar in many ways. It would be a good addition to this discussion if you started sharing some more with us, but of course only if you want to...

I hope that we can continue to discuss and hopefully always in a kind and respectful way!

If I've ever written or posted anything that has ever offended anyone-1, I offer my deepest apologies always.

Blessings & Peace!



posted on Nov, 13 2010 @ 10:03 PM
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Im not going to lower my ways to your use of 'abc's and 123's' and your 'higher knowing' claims. That in itself, shows a nature to you Im just now seeing...even if you say 'true intent' is the only thing that really counts.

If you want to cling to being a infinite self forever progressing....have at it.

Nothing you say backs up your claims as a proof or fact.

I understand that we are all of a 'one' Spirit....within this universe, the Spirit is in energy compressed into expressions. You are of those expressions...you are only a phase of this 'one being'. All the compressed energy you can see around you is also all phases of this 'one being' in expression. You as being a part of this one being that ex-presses itself...you also as a 'be-ing' 'ex-press-es' yourself.

As a phase of 'one' you are only progressing to awaken to what you truly are. You are not infinitely progressing and learning as a 'self' that is separate from other selves....for we are all really, one self. The Spirit in you will subside as long as you desire to be a 'self' amongst all its other selves in 'one' expression (the universe). Your desires for being a 'self' separate amongst other selves...will lead you in your beliefs and experiences and even visions. For as the Divine Spirit has this power to 'think and create' so to do you. You can take advantage of it for your 'being of self' as long as you wish and is needed....till you will find you still thirst for something...something still is missing within all of this 'knowledge' you have sought to much for...that knowledge that is missing is going to be found right outside and right inside of you. It is of everything and everything is of it.

Only as you are ready, can such awareness be found. I find it obvious that many on here are just not ready to be what they really are and wish to fulfill what this illusion of 'being' makes them think they are.

I have no issues with infinite...I just respect the only thing that truly is infinite. The self longs for certain things and has trouble facing the 'true self' for it takes away the whole identity of the separate self they think they are.

I am a phase of the Divine Spirit in expression...and I am of a larger expression of the Divine Spirit that we call Earth...and Earth and I are of a larger expression of Spirit that is called the Solar System, ect ect ect......I can either buck against the truth that is all around me or I can willing become 'of it' and allow this compressed energy that I am be an instrument for the Spirit to work through and shine to its other expressions.

The reason we all 'find different truths' is not because we are 'separate selves' but because we think we are separate selves and on that path we have desires for self that we must feed. Those desires are the determination of how deep ones state of awareness and true self of being can go. We can all say we seek within....but if we 'desire' for the 'separate self' existence that we think we are....awareness and spiritual knowing will only be so deep and only be offered so much spiritual wisdom and understanding.
Attachments to 'self' as something that is separate in its own right amongst other life....will determine ones state of awareness.
You ask many questions but one sticks out to me. You ask how I am so sure of myself.

I only will ask the same back to you....for you are the one saying words like 'proof and facts'.

The Divine light within me....seeks the divine light within you and all.



posted on Nov, 13 2010 @ 10:11 PM
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Hi DClairvoyant,

I'm also aware of the situation and would like to have a chat with you when you get the chance.

Sending you an email.


Best Wishes Always!



posted on Nov, 13 2010 @ 10:17 PM
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With all respect LeoVirgo, there is a world of difference between finite thinking and understanding infinity even rudimentary levels, and the posts show exactly that for anyone who truly grasps the abstract and there's no going back at all. For those who are seeing, and experiencing more than this, and ET_MAN is experiencing on a much higher level than I know, which says a lot about who he is. For anyone really searching for answers all of his posts show this.

We won't be suprised to discover a finite reality awaits when we cross over, rather the vistas ahead will fill you with wonder and joy, and eternal Family. And who would not wish to be happy, with their loved ones, in positive loving surroundings?



posted on Nov, 13 2010 @ 10:23 PM
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Im not going to lower my ways to your use of 'abc's and 123's' and your 'higher knowing' claims. That in itself, shows a nature to you Im just now seeing...even if you say 'true intent' is the only thing that really counts.

Hi LeoVirgo,

I think you've interpreted that part in a different way than it's meant to be taken. It's meant to say that 'All' humans down on the spec of dust planet earth are temporally 'finite' due to the bodies they occupy and on the level of ABC -123 in comparison to those in much higher places on much higher levels. If you take that offensively than I'm sorry but it's just the way it IS. If you think you are more intelligent/knowing or more aware than some of those in much higher awareness positions than that's fine as well.

I hope you have interpreted this correctly and If I've ever written or posted anything that has ever offended you I offer my deepest/sincerest apologies.

Sometimes we must ask ourselves how is it that we are allowing ourselves to be offended if we do get offended that is.

For the record of course:


"Regardless of whatever differences we have in belief - It's the intent of our heart that truly counts, how we treat others, our thoughts, actions, interactions and reactions with others.. I have respect and love for everyone regardless of differences in belief and I think everyone should carry that same spirit within them that I consider to be the spirit of LOVE, the spirit of Christ or the Holy Spirit that connects us all."

Love & Best Wishes Always!
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posted on Nov, 13 2010 @ 10:38 PM
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And I apologize if I come off as any other way then trying to share a perspective that may help another.

I felt some natures coming from you and Unity today that seemed as if 'one knows more' in repetitive sayings like 'infinity is hard to grasp' and then more repetitive words of trying to describe ones own understanding of it.....as if theirs was only right and another was wrong. Repetition of the same thing does not make it so or does not make it more then anothers. For the first time...today I felt that you and Unity were not here to simply share with others your perspectives....but were out to prove them as facts which I only felt the need then to show...they are not facts but only a perspective.

I do not like to be forward and always try to use words like possible, maybe, consider this, imagine, and often put things in to questions so the person must find their own perspective to the question.

As others came off very forward today...so to have I.

Im really tired of others saying things like 'you dont understand infinity' as if their perspective of it is the only correct one. It becomes a exhausting bout of words to just try to stand up for ones own right to 'think'. Its tiring to hear over and over.....'you dont understand' or seeing someone compare a thought of mine to that of 'if you wish to believe the earth is flat....go right ahead'. Just because you dont see something as I do....it would be a insult to you if I told you....'if you want to deny facts, go right ahead'. I would never...I respect your right to perception and I feel I have always given this right to everyone here as well as stuck up for anyones right to their own perception that was being pushed down by another.

Good night to all
LV



posted on Nov, 13 2010 @ 10:49 PM
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There is no ego...in oneness.

There was no expression of poliarwarrior as a 'self'. He/she never even mentioned anything about the 'I' of him or her.

People are throwing words around to make themselves look 'right' or more 'humble' and this is really becoming a joke.

There was no ego in Polarwarriors posts....there was only sincere reassurance to another self of him/her...which was to me...which was kind and uplifting to me.

In oneness...one see's another self as a part of them in Spirit....there was understanding in polarwarriors posts about this to me.

How one gets 'ego ego ego' out of that posts is beyond me. He/She never once talked about the 'I' 'I' 'I' of him/her.

Some really strange natures coming out in everyone. I guess for some, thinking that they are 'right' may be getting to them a bit.

I think I will take a dose of humility before bed...for it has seemed to rub off a bit and made me come out more forward of my own thoughts then I ever care for them to come off as.

As a note....my purpose for ever entering this thread was to share perspectives in a very open and respective way.

As one shares with honest intent...another may find a light unto their own path. That is all any of us should be doing as claiming we have some sort of deeper understanding about 'life'.



posted on Nov, 13 2010 @ 11:07 PM
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science proves oneness


Yes it does seem that way. I used to be studying to be a scientist at university, since leaving there to pursue alternative science and then philosophy I no longer belive there is any such thing as 100% proof of anything.

Having said that, there is much more evidence for oneness than there is of the sky being blue.

This free book, written for the general public is quite interesting however outdated, it has been made extremly simplistic to read.
The science of oneness
So is this one...which is better actually.
www.abovetopsecret.com...



posted on Nov, 13 2010 @ 11:27 PM
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For the first time...today I felt that you and Unity were not here to simply share with others your perspectives....but were out to prove them as facts which I only felt the need then to show...they are not facts but only a perspective.

Hi Leovirgo,

Well if that's how you feel and interpret what we've posted than that's fine. I have many other things I could be doing then posting on this forum. I'm here to do just as you've suggested and simply share my own perspectives/beliefs/views with others. This very thread was started because I was asked to start it by a few others in another thread. I avoided starting this thread for many months than finally decided to start it. It's here simply to share and discuss whatever people want to share and discuss. I've asked you many valid questions on some of what you posted but if you don't want to answer them and continue to further discuss than that is fine as well.

The most important part about this discussion IMO is that most of us agree that it's the intent of our heart that truly counts. It's our thoughts, actions and how we treat others. These are the ABC's and 123's that I think we should all remember and focus on in this life. It's quite simple, we do reap what we sow and according to our works so shall it be given unto us. So the most important part is treating others the way they would want us to treat them. That is the most important thing I feel in this entire thread regardless of all the differences in belief/perspective/discussion and so on.


Im really tired of others saying things like 'you dont understand infinity'

Respectfully if you suggest there is a center to 'All that is' or 'INFINITY' than perhaps you really don't understand it. This is a discussion and if you've taken offense in us suggesting something to you like the color blue is blue than well I'm sorry. But INFINITY is the way it is and there is no center. You don't have to believe me of course and you can think this is my own ego, delusion or whatever but I'm just pointing out something that is very clear.

Have you ever died and been pronounced dead than came back to life when you shouldn't have came back and long after the Doctors had done everything they could to bring you back?

Well that is one of my own personal experiences I've had (some call such things Miracles) and so I think I have some saying in this having been to other places out of my body knowing and seeing what lies ahead after death.

What do you think about deceased spirits or loved one's that have visited family members?

Are all such experiences a delusion of their minds?

What do you think about what Christ taught on Eternal life?

Well, I've already asked enough questions in the other posts that haven't been answered so will leave it at that.


'if you wish to believe the earth is flat....go right ahead'. Just because you dont see something as I do....it would be a insult to you if I told you...

If this hurt your feelings or you took this as an insult than I'm truly sorry, I was really only trying to make a point and from your previous posts you came off as if you didn't agree with what the video was suggesting on how the 5 senses of the human body functions.


I respect your right to perception and I feel I have always given this right to everyone here as well as stuck up for anyones right to their own perception that was being pushed down by another

That's great and I agree. I've repeated myself many many times on this very point, that I have love and respect for everyone-1 regardless of what differences they may have in belief.

Here is the quote yet again:


"Regardless of whatever differences we have in belief - It's the intent of our heart that truly counts, how we treat others, our thoughts, actions, interactions and reactions with others.. I have respect and love for everyone regardless of differences in belief and I think everyone should carry that same spirit within them that I consider to be the spirit of LOVE, the spirit of Christ or the Holy Spirit that connects us all."

LOVE, LOVE & MORE LOVE to you Lynette,

Sincerely/respectfully,
Best Wishes!



posted on Nov, 13 2010 @ 11:37 PM
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Originally posted by ET_MAN
you have called me some pretty nasty things 'Demonic' and so on.


Hey mate thats a bit low, I never called you that and it has been cleared up a few times on this thread already so I suspect you may be straight up lying this time rather than just mistaken so you can "play the victim" and earn sympathy, which suprise surprise in an ego tactic to gain external support and justification.

The reason I stopped posting to you is because of these tactics . Even when you speak nice fluffy stuff to me the words dont match the energy of intent which doesnt feel sincere, and the energy cant lie.


All I got out of your post was ego, ego, ego.


That post was not for you...remember the last line of my post to leo.....


Originally posted by polarwarrior
An ego would reply to this post, without even being addressed, in defense of itself


How did I guess you'd reply?

"I" have an ego too and know all about 'em.

Im going to stop this here as its already getting quite 'low vibe'... you can carry on with it if you wish but id prefer not to participate as it is harmfull to entire planet for people to play "ego fight"...yours is beckoning mine to join it in the ring which is why your baiting it with deliberate lie, but yours looks pretty big, im afraid mine would be crushed as it hasnt been getting much excercise lately. So you win by default, congratulations.
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posted on Nov, 13 2010 @ 11:56 PM
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You are bearing false witness and expressing some negative things that are the farthest thing from who ET_MAN is, and what his nature is. The whole purpose in your words is very negative and your post to LeoVirgo that was most definitely referring to him, even mentioning him:


You didnt, his ego is very predictable as uses the same few tactics repetitively, one of them being "putting words in your mouth, then claiming those words false", this is done to make ego seem "right" even though it has no argument with the actual posts so will invent or twist words into something it can argue with.


and then these words here:


An ego would reply to this post, without even being addressed, in defense of itself


Whereas what ET_MAN wrote was straight forward, and what he said about the post you made to me near the beginning of this thread was not misleading, you pretty much called him a high ranking negative entity, and I used the word demon shortly after concerning this post. So lie, it is not.

Seems to me that you felt that you could express something negative about someone and make implications according to your closed minded belief, while stating words to the effect that if he takes it personally he has ego, in some kind of word game that is underhanded.

Regardless of this, hope you see the light in understanding that there is an Infinite journey ahead and that its not EGO to know you exist as an individual soul, in the way you imply ego to mean.
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posted on Nov, 14 2010 @ 01:27 AM
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There was no expression of poliarwarrior as a 'self'.

Hi LeoVirgo,

Everything that was posted came from polarwarrior which is his ego or self is it not?


He/she never even mentioned anything about the 'I' of him or her.


Isn't this almost a direct admittance: lol

“An ego would reply to this post, without even being addressed, in defense of itself.”


That is honestly funny, and of course we are all replying as self or ego and I don't know about you but never in defense but to merely follow up on posts. As if this thread is a popularity contest. lol

Well maybe for some.


So to address your question it's obvious he did, he was referring directly to me and Unity_99 and for your information if you never read polarwarrior's posts earlier on in this thread he's called me many things and thrown down many judgments. Is that not his own ego or self speaking out or is that the 'oneness'?


People are throwing words around to make themselves look 'right' or more 'humble' and this is really becoming a joke.

I think your seeing and interpreting what you want to see and interpret. I see now that the above statement comes from your own ego and self, I mean it is you posting which is your self or ego is it not?


There was no ego in Polarwarriors posts....

Are you sure? You might want to review it again but here are just a few quotes from that post. I'm not that blind and I do have my own energy recognition enough to know why polarwarrior stepped in and posted what he did from the many previous discussions that we've had.


The ego wants to be right


Ego is terrified of oneness.


Oneness means the ego is dead


his ego is very predictable


this is done to make ego seem "right"


Ego word is being used


the self centered aspect


you know their ego is talking,


The ego made into an an obedient servant


An ego would reply to this post,



How one gets 'ego ego ego' out of that posts is beyond me.

You can review his post all you want and figure out why I posted what I did about ego ego ego - it's really not that hard to see. Isn't ego considered to be self and wasn't it polarwarrior that made the post by him-self from his own interpretation of the world or his belief - self/ego?


which was kind and uplifting to me.

Perhaps uplifting to you which is good but meant to be degrading to others in a subtle way. The 'Intent' was clear to read. But I never take offense in such things and that is why I posted what I did to our Brother polar. I want him to know that I Love him and have respect for him regardless of our differences. I've always been respectful, kind and patient with polarwarrior and he knows that - though he may call me a demon.lol For me personally there is nothing that anyone could write or say that would affect me in such a way. I think this is a good thing to get control over, our emotions and reactions to others.

If people are taking such great offense in others beliefs and words they might want to seriously take a moment and question why it is they are feeling what they are and reacting in the way they are?

And yes that is me or my self and ego speaking out. Sure I suppose, ego is just a human word really and a way of expressing something with meaning/definition and maybe that meaning/definition differs for others. What is your definition of ego...

It's clear LV that you've been affected by this discussion. For that 'all' of us on this thread I would think apologize to you if you've ever been upset by any of the contents herein. I offer you my deepest/sincerest apologies if you've ever taken offense in anything I've written and I do mean that from the bottom of my heart. All I can say is maybe you should ask yourself what allowed you to be so affected by all of this?


Some really strange natures coming out in everyone.

Everyone has a different perception of the world and they see things in their own way. Not everyone interprets things in the same way.


I guess for some, thinking that they are 'right' may be getting to them a bit.

Do you strongly feel that you are right about what you believe in?


I think I will take a dose of humility before bed...for it has seemed to rub off a bit and made me come out more forward of my own thoughts then I ever care for them to come off as.

Humility is always a good thing and we should continually remind ourselves of the many blessings that we have all around us, the many things that we so easily overlook and take for granted in life.

Just imagining the 45,000+ children that die of starvation (on average) each morning is a very humbling thing. I don't believe in better or more special and we are all 'Eternal Souls' and equal in our Family's eyes in the Infinite Utopia/Heavens above and beyond.


As a note....my purpose for ever entering this thread was to share perspectives in a very open and respective way.

Same - Same.

You don't have to answer any of the questions I've asked and I realize this thread has become difficult for you. There are others I'm sure who've been following this for quite some time now on the side-lines. This thread can go on or it can fade away into ATS recyclement/nothingness. lol I'm still here and around to further discuss either way.


As one shares with honest intent...

I've only had the best INTENT in heart and mind for everyone-1 in all of the posts I've made on ATS even if some of my posts have been interpreted in certain ways and come off harsh.

I can honestly say the following and I do mean every word of it sincerely:

"Regardless of whatever differences we have in belief - It's the intent of our heart that truly counts, how we treat others, our thoughts, actions, interactions and reactions with others.. I have respect and love for everyone regardless of differences in belief and I think everyone should carry that same spirit within them that I consider to be the spirit of LOVE, the spirit of Christ or the Holy Spirit that connects us all."

Love & Best Wishes Always!



posted on Nov, 14 2010 @ 02:06 AM
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That post was not for you...

Hi Polarwarrior,

It was an invitation and directed to both of us was it not? lol

I replied to you quite a few pages back thanking you for the contributions that you've made in this thread and was hoping that you would join in. Just didn't expect you'd do it in this way but hey it's YOUR way and I do things MY way.

There are no coincidences


I am what I am,
You are what You are,
They are what They are,
We are all Individual/unique Eternal 'souls'
but part of 'All that is' and 'Infinity' As (Family)
ONE in Likeness/Design and the 'Oneness' is on many levels
but it's not the 'Oneness' you speak of meaning we are NOT all the same 'Being.'


How did I guess you'd reply?

Let me think about that invitation one-1 for a moment.lol


his ego is very predictable


you know their ego is talking,

I'm glad that I replied to you and I hope that you stick around and continue to share with us your beliefs/perspectives/views on things. Oh and I'm quite aware about the ongoing communications.



I never called you that

My mistake and apologies, I guess it was along the lines of being overtaken by entities or something.


which suprise surprise in an ego tactic to gain external support and justification.

This is kind of funny and you have to admit, is this a beauty pageant or popularity contest?


Come on now, anyone who knows me already knows why I come here and it's definitely not for the reasons you suggest.

But your post is Cute:


I also hope you took this in the right way or in a FUN way---)


Leggo my Ego!


Best Wishes Always!
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posted on Nov, 14 2010 @ 02:32 AM
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science proves oneness

Science proves oneness but of course,
there are many types and kinds of oneness.
This Universe/Channel/System/Existence/Technology (call it what you will) is oneness in the sense of everything that humans call 'Matter' comes from a oneness in material and being part of a oneness via- material/energy/vibration and so on.

Just because the materials of the universe come from a oneness doesn't mean the 'souls' occupying parts of the materials or bodies behind the 'oneness' Universe/Materials/Existence/Technology are 'ONE' in the same way that the materials of the energy/life-force/constructed/creation/technology universe are.

Just A Thought!

Here's a quote forwarded to me by someone from Sleeper/Lou Baldin that falls in line with some of this discussion.


QUESTION:
”Lou,
I hate to sound so unreasonable, but considering the glowing ball our soul is that constitutes material unknown to us - is our Sun (or stars in general) also a 'soul' of some sort? Since it is also a glowing ball of unknown material.
Thanks!”

ANSWER:
“Many people throughout the ages have worshiped the sun as a god. The sun is special, all stars are, but they expire and souls don't. The soul is made of something much more mysterious than the sun or anything else for that "matter". Matter, get it? The soul is not "matter" as is light and everything else we see in 3D land.” Sleeper/Lou Baldin --- The Forum/Source ---sleeperlou.proboards.com...

Love & Best Wishes Always!
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posted on Nov, 14 2010 @ 06:31 AM
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Hi ET_MAN Gosh! I'm glad you're back


Anywaaaay, when are you going to get around to answering the charge of being part of project bLue BEam?

Do I not deserve some kind of reply? Where's the universal love and understanding you type about??

I no longer wish to be bombarded by your scribes BTW, it's clear the "Cult of the sun" is going well here, No-1 is disputing that. I would however (in the interests of duality
) like to read some form of reply from the great 1-.



posted on Nov, 14 2010 @ 08:42 AM
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Hello Brothers and Sisters,

I just thought to pop in again with a brief comment, then I will pop back out to spectator mode.

The world is waking up to the fact that we are each the great creator we have been seeking. In this awakening, we will each try to define our new awareness the best that we can. Without the confines of an organized Priesthood to settle the matters of dogma, each will interpret and word their experiences in their own way. No one is wrong, EVER. This is just the nature of being divine CREATORS.

In the beginning was the WORD, and the word was God. So to it is with you!

Judge not, Love all, be at peace.

With Love,

Your Brother



posted on Nov, 14 2010 @ 09:07 AM
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. . . and because we are '"waking up" - - and because we are becoming too aware.

Our captors/controllers will harvest those souls off the planet - - if they can't find a way to recycle them.

We are reaching revolutionary levels. The bad thing about a revolution - - is it might "wake-up" those who are still sleeping.



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