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posted on Oct, 26 2010 @ 02:31 PM
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It would be in the laws that you linked to all of us, for I'm sure that is the same laws you u2u'd me on, and I recall something strange about asking questions. I'm not going to read it, so I can't link it.

I protect myself from what I consider black magick or vodoo type codings of the matrix. Even if its paranoid response, nothing in this world that i've seen so far would make me change my mind on not putting into me something like that.
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posted on Oct, 26 2010 @ 02:59 PM
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Why should we walk in darkness only to observe by limited light? Where is the path when one asked it? If these things (light and sound) are not to be used to truly find the way, then are we not condemned to fall into a ditch?

Who is here that may take compassion on the new to find the old? We asked a question from the beginning of time immemorial and still have not heard an answer.

If darkness is all around, then a light of truth would be welcome and rejoiced. All knowledge comes from out of the darkness; that which was hidden is becoming illuminated. This Divine light should not be refracted where only one "color" can be perceived. It must be combined "into One" by the laws which were from eons ago.

Isn't this our singular task? A symbol of "infinity," a small loop, turned-on the center with a larger loop. Then folded to make "One" circle by vibration? Is this not the "path" we speak? If so, where are the teachers, and if they are here, why do they not make themselves known to protect the unfortunate from mis-using any gift?

And still, We asked a question...being forever mindful and respectful; giving thanks for any gift received, nothing is to be refused when taken in thanksgiving.

No "knowledged-gain" is through "direct" or "channeled" means, but "sent-down" through the ages to find when ready to learn; now is time for reprovement and confirmation, pleads humanity.
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edit on 26-10-2010 by trekwebmaster because: Correction - clarification of "knowledged-gain"

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posted on Oct, 26 2010 @ 04:47 PM
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A lot of the communications on this thread are obscure in nature. I would like to ask a more direct question as i am interested in finding answers. You generally refer to a concept called Christ consciousness and seem to infer or state that you represent this knowledge or spiritual truth in a more focused sense. The quoran states that Mohammed was a prophet the last of gods messengers and the most authoritative eclipsing christ. Is this true yes or no? A single word answer would be interesting but an elaboration would be more welcome.



posted on Oct, 26 2010 @ 05:24 PM
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Dear Spanerra:

I searched for "etymology of 'Christ' and found somewhat of a description on Wikipedia, it might be helpful for further understanding.

Wikipedia states, under the heading of "Western Wisdom Teachings" that:

"In the WWT, the Solar System is the Creation[13] of the collective Great Being God - Elohim, its threefold Architect and sustainer; the celestial bodies of this portion of Space, permeated by different planes of existence having varying density and vibration, are home to various life waves of virgin spirits, differentiated within God Himself, and in different evolutionary stages of consciousness. The Sun, depicted above, is seen as the seat of the Christ Spirit, The Son, Who has become partially confined to the Earth, as its Regent, through the Great Sacrifice of Christ-Jesus on Calvary.See also: Second Coming and Esoteric Christianity
In the Rosicrucian writings of Max Heindel, also known as Western Wisdom Teachings, there is a distinction to be made between Jesus and the Christ.[14] Jesus is considered a high Initiate of the human life wave (the cycle of rebirth) and of a singularly pure type of mind, vastly superior to the great majority of the present humanity. Among the esoteric insights into the composite nature of Christ-Jesus and the uplifting mission of the Christ, the Esoteric Christian philosophy of the Rosicrucians teaches that:

On Golgotha, the physical body of the Christ[15] was destroyed amid certain phenomena recorded in the Bible, and the Christ Spirit drew into the earth. Up to that time the earth had been worked upon from without. As the group spirits guide animals from without, so the earth had been guided in its orbit, and mankind had been led on the path of evolution entirely by Jehovah, but from that time the Christ became our indwelling Earth-Spirit. He now guides our planet in its orbit, and is endeavoring to replace the regime of war inaugurated by Jehovah, on the one hand, and the Martial Lucifer Spirits, on the other, by a regime of altruism, a reign of Universal Friendship. We hear much about Universal Brotherhood, but it is not necessary to form societies to proclaim that we are brothers; everyone knows that, there is no need of calling attention to that fact. Brothers and sisters are not always harmonious, however, they must be harmonious if they are to be friends, and therefore Christ instituted a much higher ideal when He called His disciples friends:— "If ye love one another, if ye keep my commandments, then ye are my friends."[16]
From the viewpoint of the Rosicrucian cosmology, our home Solar system is God's habitation;[17] the Sun is the indwelling "bright morning-star"[18] of the Christ Spirit—the "Sun of righteousness," the "Light of the World," the Solar Logos[19] —Who founded the catholic, meaning 'universal', lofty Christian religion, the only religion that is looking for the “One Who is to come again”; whereas the Moon(s) is(are) the working platform of the lunar God Jehovah, the builder of concrete bodies or forms (and, thus, the giver of children) and the founder of all separative race-religions, that still look for the “One Who is to come”; and Mars (not Venus), the red planet, is the abode of the fallen selfish Lucifer spirits. Further, it is described that the great Sun-spirit Christ became the Regent of our planet at the moment He secured His admission into the Earth[20] through the Cleansing Blood ("... the soul of all flesh is in the blood...")[Lev. 17:11,14] that flowed at the crucifixion of Christ-Jesus.[21]"

I hope this information will be helpful.

Warm Regards,

Trekwebmaster

Source: en.wikipedia.org...



posted on Oct, 26 2010 @ 06:40 PM
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Originally posted by spannera
reply to post by AdonaiChristBless
 

A lot of the communications on this thread are obscure in nature. I would like to ask a more direct question as i am interested in finding answers. You generally refer to a concept called Christ consciousness and seem to infer or state that you represent this knowledge or spiritual truth in a more focused sense. The quoran states that Mohammed was a prophet the last of gods messengers and the most authoritative eclipsing christ. Is this true yes or no? A single word answer would be interesting but an elaboration would be more welcome.


No.

Quorum
Adonai chirst bless



posted on Oct, 26 2010 @ 06:45 PM
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Originally posted by trekwebmaster
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Dear Spanerra:

I searched for "etymology of 'Christ' and found somewhat of a description on Wikipedia, it might be helpful for further understanding.

Wikipedia states, under the heading of "Western Wisdom Teachings" that:

"In the WWT, the Solar System is the Creation[13] of the collective Great Being God - Elohim, its threefold Architect and sustainer; the celestial bodies of this portion of Space, permeated by different planes of existence having varying density and vibration, are home to various life waves of virgin spirits, differentiated within God Himself, and in different evolutionary stages of consciousness. The Sun, depicted above, is seen as the seat of the Christ Spirit, The Son, Who has become partially confined to the Earth, as its Regent, through the Great Sacrifice of Christ-Jesus on Calvary.See also: Second Coming and Esoteric Christianity
In the Rosicrucian writings of Max Heindel, also known as Western Wisdom Teachings, there is a distinction to be made between Jesus and the Christ.[14] Jesus is considered a high Initiate of the human life wave (the cycle of rebirth) and of a singularly pure type of mind, vastly superior to the great majority of the present humanity. Among the esoteric insights into the composite nature of Christ-Jesus and the uplifting mission of the Christ, the Esoteric Christian philosophy of the Rosicrucians teaches that:

On Golgotha, the physical body of the Christ[15] was destroyed amid certain phenomena recorded in the Bible, and the Christ Spirit drew into the earth. Up to that time the earth had been worked upon from without. As the group spirits guide animals from without, so the earth had been guided in its orbit, and mankind had been led on the path of evolution entirely by Jehovah, but from that time the Christ became our indwelling Earth-Spirit. He now guides our planet in its orbit, and is endeavoring to replace the regime of war inaugurated by Jehovah, on the one hand, and the Martial Lucifer Spirits, on the other, by a regime of altruism, a reign of Universal Friendship. We hear much about Universal Brotherhood, but it is not necessary to form societies to proclaim that we are brothers; everyone knows that, there is no need of calling attention to that fact. Brothers and sisters are not always harmonious, however, they must be harmonious if they are to be friends, and therefore Christ instituted a much higher ideal when He called His disciples friends:— "If ye love one another, if ye keep my commandments, then ye are my friends."[16]
From the viewpoint of the Rosicrucian cosmology, our home Solar system is God's habitation;[17] the Sun is the indwelling "bright morning-star"[18] of the Christ Spirit—the "Sun of righteousness," the "Light of the World," the Solar Logos[19] —Who founded the catholic, meaning 'universal', lofty Christian religion, the only religion that is looking for the “One Who is to come again”; whereas the Moon(s) is(are) the working platform of the lunar God Jehovah, the builder of concrete bodies or forms (and, thus, the giver of children) and the founder of all separative race-religions, that still look for the “One Who is to come”; and Mars (not Venus), the red planet, is the abode of the fallen selfish Lucifer spirits. Further, it is described that the great Sun-spirit Christ became the Regent of our planet at the moment He secured His admission into the Earth[20] through the Cleansing Blood ("... the soul of all flesh is in the blood...")[Lev. 17:11,14] that flowed at the crucifixion of Christ-Jesus.[21]"

I hope this information will be helpful.

Warm Regards,

Trekwebmaster

Source: en.wikipedia.org...





Pure gnosis would be a better source since roscrucians are corrupt.

Quorum
Adonai Christ bless



posted on Oct, 26 2010 @ 07:07 PM
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Is Jesus more significant than Buddha or is Jesus and Buddha "equal"?

Is it okay to just follow and perform by Buddha's teachings and not Jesus's?

Would Jesus and Buddha be friends if they ever met?

Thank you.



posted on Oct, 27 2010 @ 01:52 AM
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Originally posted by sphinx551
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Is Jesus more significant than Buddha or is Jesus and Buddha "equal"?

Jesus had a higher percentage of truth than all other teachers as was legitually anchoring the divine Christ consciousness on earth.

Is it okay to just follow and perform by Buddha's teachings and not Jesus's?

It will get you so far but will no complete the lessons but will prevent further damage to yourself.

Would Jesus and Buddha be friends if they ever met?

Indeed they are.

Thank you.


Gnosis is the best method as it includes all true divine teachings from beginning of time to now.

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Adonai Christ bless



posted on Oct, 27 2010 @ 01:52 AM
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This may come off harsh but I feel it needs to be said.

You know what amazes me Mike is that until now you truly believe yourself to be on a special mission and in touch with a council which we both know is not true and a role play. You also believe that if anyone disagrees with what you consider to be your own truth or the so called one truth (for you) they are either possessed or being manipulated/controlled by other entities. You've accused many people of being possessed or controlled by other entities simply because they disagree with what you have to say. Talk about ego, well let's talk about it because it's dripping off many of your posts, I suggest you take a good look in the mirror and at how you come off in this thread to others as if you are somehow 'more qualified, special or better' than others having all the answers and it's either (your way) or the high way in other words what you believe can only be the (one truth) because you feel you are on a special mission and in touch with a council (which again I will state is not true and you know it's not true and so do I and I'm sure others can see through this and figure it out.)

I've come across a few of your other threads and you do seem to enjoy the higher position of being on a mission out to save humanity representing God meeting with an off world council. (Pretending is all I have to say because I have inquired about you. I feel you need to hear this and it needs to be said, please take a good look at yourself in the mirror and empty your 'role playing' cup as Adonai puts it. Step down from the role playing position and continue the family restaurant business, I'm sure it's a good Italian family restaurant business. I feel at this point I need to come off direct to you because you have been very direct in making accusations about others but I do sincerely hope that you are doing well and the family restaurant business is working out for you. I suggest you drop the role playing position of being in touch with a council of sorts and empty your own cup and come back down to Earth like the rest of everyone. Anyone who has the slightest idea of what's really out there in this infinite universe knows that they only have the tiniest glimpse of the infinite and they should have an empty cup and always be willing to learn new things because there are infinite things out there yet to experience and learn. That is what we call and consider to be 'Eternal progression' Please empty your cup like the rest of everyone and leave room for new possibilities as Adonai puts it is my recommendation for you.

Now I realize this post for you will come off sounding harsh but I feel it necessary as you have persistently taken it upon yourself to feel your in a position to 'Teach others' in this thread but I want you to know that you are sincerely Loved by many. Now please drop the role playing position attitude that you're' on a special mission and called by a council that you meet with regularly to warn the world of the coming harvest' because you know as well as I do (and others) that's it's simply not true. Be honest with yourself and with everyone else. I know you have the best intentions in mind for people but there is no need to make up stories or role play.

There are many others out there who claim there is only one truth and that the one truth is THEIR truth, I'm inserting this again as a reminder so you get an idea of how many other religions/beliefs are out there all claiming the same things you are. What percentage do you fall under 00.1% you think?


I've had some great discussions with Adonai via YM chat recently and he has openly admitted to me that he could be wrong and is not 100% sure about some of his information. He's openly admitted that it's a possibility that he may have been deceived and at least his cup has room for new possibilities and has been emptied. He is still open to considering new possibilities and that takes a lot of courage for him to admit and say considering all that has been presented and posted so far and I respect him all the more for admitting that to me. Honesty is important and always the best policy. I strongly feel that you need to empty your cup as well Mike and ask yourself some of the same questions Adonai has and admit the possibility that what you think is the only truth (your truth) or the one truth could possibly in fact not be the only one truth and it's also possible that you have also been deceived in one way or another. Adonai is a great person that I consider to be a friend and brother as harsh as he may come off to others in posts and I feel you are also sincerely out to help people as he is but please drop the 'you're on a mission and in touch with a council role playing story' and come back down to earth with the rest of us for a while and let's further discuss with an empty cup meaning (being open minded to other things and possibilities which is wise considering all that's truly out there in this incomprehensible infinite inwards universe of infinite others.)

I always send you Love and sincerely wish the best for you, I hope this is a short wake up call, please take a good look at yourself in the mirror for a moment instead of looking at others and finding fault and error in others.
I hope you get the message!
Sincerely always,
Your friend and brother
Chris



posted on Oct, 27 2010 @ 02:06 AM
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He accused me of being a disinfo agent because I demand evidence before believing him blindly.



posted on Oct, 27 2010 @ 02:18 AM
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Originally posted by ET_MAN
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This may come off harsh but I feel it needs to be said.

You know what amazes me Mike is that until now you truly believe yourself to be on a special mission and in touch with a council which we both know is not true and a role play. You also believe that if anyone disagrees with what you consider to be your own truth or the so called one truth (for you) they are either possessed or being manipulated/controlled by other entities. You've accused many people of being possessed or controlled by other entities simply because they disagree with what you have to say. Talk about ego, well let's talk about it because it's dripping off many of your posts, I suggest you take a good look in the mirror and at how you come off in this thread to others as if you are somehow 'more qualified, special or better' than others having all the answers and it's either (your way) or the high way in other words what you believe can only be the (one truth) because you feel you are on a special mission and in touch with a council (which again I will state is not true and you know it's not true and so do I and I'm sure others can see through this and figure it out.)

I've come across a few of your other threads and you do seem to enjoy the higher position of being on a mission out to save humanity representing God meeting with an off world council. (Pretending is all I have to say because I have inquired about you. I feel you need to hear this and it needs to be said, please take a good look at yourself in the mirror and empty your 'role playing' cup as Adonai puts it. Step down from the role playing position and continue the family restaurant business, I'm sure it's a good Italian family restaurant business. I feel at this point I need to come off direct to you because you have been very direct in making accusations about others but I do sincerely hope that you are doing well and the family restaurant business is working out for you. I suggest you drop the role playing position of being in touch with a council of sorts and empty your own cup and come back down to Earth like the rest of everyone. Anyone who has the slightest idea of what's really out there in this infinite universe knows that they only have the tiniest glimpse of the infinite and they should have an empty cup and always be willing to learn new things because there are infinite things out there yet to experience and learn. That is what we call and consider to be 'Eternal progression' Please empty your cup like the rest of everyone and leave room for new possibilities as Adonai puts it is my recommendation for you.

Now I realize this post for you will come off sounding harsh but I feel it necessary as you have persistently taken it upon yourself to feel your in a position to 'Teach others' in this thread but I want you to know that you are sincerely Loved by many. Now please drop the role playing position attitude that you're' on a special mission and called by a council that you meet with regularly to warn the world of the coming harvest' because you know as well as I do (and others) that's it's simply not true. Be honest with yourself and with everyone else. I know you have the best intentions in mind for people but there is no need to make up stories or role play.

There are many others out there who claim there is only one truth and that the one truth is THEIR truth, I'm inserting this again as a reminder so you get an idea of how many other religions/beliefs are out there all claiming the same things you are. What percentage do you fall under 00.1% you think?


I've had some great discussions with Adonai via YM chat recently and he has openly admitted to me that he could be wrong and is not 100% sure about some of his information. He's openly admitted that it's a possibility that he may have been deceived and at least his cup has room for new possibilities and has been emptied. He is still open to considering new possibilities and that takes a lot of courage for him to admit and say considering all that has been presented and posted so far and I respect him all the more for admitting that to me. Honesty is important and always the best policy. I strongly feel that you need to empty your cup as well Mike and ask yourself some of the same questions Adonai has and admit the possibility that what you think is the only truth (your truth) or the one truth could possibly in fact not be the only one truth and it's also possible that you have also been deceived in one way or another. Adonai is a great person that I consider to be a friend and brother as harsh as he may come off to others in posts and I feel you are also sincerely out to help people as he is but please drop the 'you're on a mission and in touch with a council role playing story' and come back down to earth with the rest of us for a while and let's further discuss with an empty cup meaning (being open minded to other things and possibilities which is wise considering all that's truly out there in this incomprehensible infinite inwards universe of infinite others.)

I always send you Love and sincerely wish the best for you, I hope this is a short wake up call, please take a good look at yourself in the mirror for a moment instead of looking at others and finding fault and error in others.
I hope you get the message!
Sincerely always,
Your friend and brother
Chris


Key words is Some brother, there is parts I am sure on because it is what God has shown me mostly what I am not sure on is things ive researched for myself and adapted to what God showed me, but I will admit this with all my visions I can not be 100% sure that is what will happen but what I can be sure on is what my faith shows me, which is indeed that the Harvest is very real event indeed. Remember to truely empty our cup we have to overcome the I as in we must entirely overcome who we are everything we have learned and be as a child a totally empty mind this is extremely difficult and only a few in history truely achieved it but doing so allows God to fill you in truth the holyspirit even I have only had a glipse of such divine truth it was enough to allow me to offer it to others but I am realising now I may have taken the wrong approach, I think warning another that their view may be a danger to them and presenting the reasons why is a good thing too do, like a parent warning it child about a hot stove, but I think my mistake is that I pushed to change the person as in even if I knew that they would have consequence enlightened I know that I should let them find out hard way, but compassionately and cause of ego I wanted to prevent them from suffering but the higher thing to do is only to warn and then let them learn on own im realising this laterly and also realising that if I dont step aside no matter how highly developed a being I may be I can compromise my own position and be stuck in karma cycle myself.

But many are not willing to ever question themself where as I do constantly I have grow and adjusted the more the Father revealed to me I would not just accept anything this is why I refused love and lighters 'newagers' refuse to even send or show any intention of sending something I do not truely think we are meant to send without proper knowledge I believe it is damaging to the earth to send love and light without knowing what it is without divine assistance and I believe anyone who types it is actually helping Evil keep crystalized on earth. So I must indeed warn about such activitys as it is responsibility of one of Light to reveal mistruths if that person truely honestly feels it is wrong.

I must explain further something people are missing. The one Truth is actually not owned by anyone it is a divine libary of information containing all the cosmos history and data this is what is meant by God is all knowing 'eye of God' we can align ourself with the Creator and in faith be shown the Truth but we can never learn it on our own for it will always contain lies in a world such as ours a fallen lower density realm.

Quorum
Adonai Christ bless



posted on Oct, 27 2010 @ 02:29 AM
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Again...if we all always have been...what need is there for progression and learning?

Hi LeoVirgo,

This is a great question that has been asked in one way or another by many philosophers. Eternal progression is a never-ending/ continually-ongoing without beginning or ending thing and to further understand this we would need to be on a more capable level of better understanding all that 'Infinity' truly represents/implies and IS.

Many have reasoned about how life started and the very reality/existence we are experiencing that is looked upon with (beginning and ending) and asked the question which came first the chicken or the egg well the 'Infinite' answer is (Neither) and both the chicken and the egg have always existed and been as the process is an ongoing 'Eternal process' that could be likened to 'Eternal growth or Eternal progression' basically implying never-ending without end. No beginning/start point or end point but things continually transform/change and 'progress' part of the 'eternal progression' process.

So in basic words there is always more and more experiences, things to create and infinite things to experience/progress and learn forever. Sounds hard for the finite mind to grasp that if we have been around forever there is still more to learn but if we have 'infinitely' existed and there are infinite more experiences to experience forever without beginning or ending then it goes on infinitely forever. The chicken and egg never end because they never begin as there is no first or last. That is 'Infinite/eternal progression' in a nutshell --- no beginning or ending a small example of 'Eternal Progression.'

The human body/mind on Earth being finite with limitations is incapable at this level of understanding the 'infinite/eternal' but we do are best and try to make sense of the universe and life with mathematics/calculations based on distance, numbers and TIME.' We can't come close to understanding 'Infinity' but we can somewhat get further into discussing the fundamental/basic understandings of 'Infinity' or what it represents/implies/means and IS. 'Eternal Progression' falls under that same Infinite boat as it truly is incomprehensible to those on earth at this level. Trying to picture what 'Infinity' really is/implies and means can only slightly be touched upon and somewhat understood.

We are currently 'TIME' beings that run on 'TIME' and think of things as having a beginning and ending with a first and last. Fully comprehending that the universe has always been and will always be is not an easy task but if one can reason that in some 'TIME' or another this infinite universe has always been well it's like going back to when you were a teenager if 'time travel' existed, you could reason with yourself that it's possible to travel back in time and and visit your past self therefore that 'past' self is still there and will always be there at that particular 'TIME.' It's a part of what we consider to be the past and will always remain at that particular point in 'TIME' or the past.

This very moment now as you read this will always exist and can if you were the Doc in back to the future let's say with access to a time machine you could always come back to this here and now moment and it would always be here. Nothing is going anywhere and everything is present/accessible for those beyond 'TIME' everything can be seen and is recorded, there are no secrets, nothing is hidden and everything that will ever happen and has happened will always be available in this (technology universe) like a computer accessing it's memory or saved files on a hard-drive. It can be accessed/viewed and seen. If it's happened somewhere it means it's there in one 'TIME' or another, OH and by the way the roll of film I've previously used in some threads is one of many metaphors but mostly used to show past, present and future not so much a metaphor to represent 'Infinity' but to show how things progress. As we keep pictures of ourselves from a young age to present it's kind of the same type of concept/idea, we are in the past now and those experiences are still there if we could 'TIME' travel back to them in the same way that the future events that will take place in our lives are present and there if we could only move forwards in 'TIME' and visit ourselves in the future. So that is the basic concept of past, present and future self. All is present in one 'TIME' or another (Some consider the future self to be the higher self well 'higher self' is only a human word to describe something I guess you could also say it's your more progressed self'. Being who you are or a person is not a prideful thing unless a person is full of themselves with pride. lol

We are individuals here and now and all have different likes, dislikes, abilities, personalities living different lives and lifestyles and we see that as 'individuality.' We are all connected in spirit and perhaps this is what you mean by us all being one in spirit each of us being 'eternal' without beginning or ending with the same eternal potential/capability as we all have infinite amounts of so called 'TIME' to progress and reach a new higher progressed level however we are not all at the same brightness/level as the stars differ one from another in size and brightness so do the souls in progressive state. It doesn't mean that we can't achieve and advance or progress to a higher state it only means that we are continually progressing/experiencing/advancing and that in itself is what we consider to be 'Eternal Progression.'

Our human biological bodies that is (technology) to the designers/creators were specifically setup for 'souls' to occupy --- The soul is the 'eternal spirit you' the body/technology/container/machine (whatever you want to label or call it) is incapable of comprehending more than what man currently understands of the 'finite' but in spirit the eternal 'soul' being freed from the body can gain a higher awareness and access to remembering what it IS and a better understanding of the infinite/eternal that it IS, HAS and will always BE.

Incarnations or new life experiences can be ongoing at this level for many and some may consider this life or a new incarnation to be a loss of identity or that we are all recycled fragments of a one source or life-force that some may label to be GOD or the ONE. Soul's (Plural) can be re-inserted into new bodies with no memory of who they are, previously were or where they came from (in other words) re-incarnation and we can use this life as an example of that as the person you are now in this life may differ from who you once were in a previous life existence so if one wants to consider that to be a loss or change in identity that can be seen in such a way but it's only a temporary loss of identity as this life and other lives are temporal experiences. The 'Eternal 'Soul' of who you are is the same 'soul' that was inserted into the body. In one temporal life existence you may have been raised in a new way, under a different roof with new family, beliefs, ethics, morals, religions. It may change the temporal outcome of who you become in that existence but the eternal 'soul' 'you' in the body remains and is the same.'

There are infinite 'souls' in existence 'souls' are eternal and more than could ever be understood at this level but the basic makeup of the soul from what I've been shown/told from my own experiences is that it's consciousness/intelligence with capability/potential to grow/advance and continually learn/advance thus 'Eternal progression.' All consciousness/intelligence is 'Infinite' and all things 'Infinite' have 'Infinite' potential/capability to grow/learn/advance with 'Infinite' experiences in so called 'TIME' thus that is what is referred to when we use the term 'Eternal Progression.' Eternal potential/capability exists in all Infinite 'consciousness/intelligence.'

Discussing 'Eternal progression' in itself could take up an entirely new thread and I realize that some of the above might not make perfect sense for everyone but it falls right in line with further discussing where we are going from earth life, what we have to look forward to and our past, present and so called eternal future.

I thought I would add this 2min video in as food for thought - feel free to share your feedback on what you think and believe about the universe. This short video addresses part of this very topic on 'TIME' and how the universe came to be- beginning and ending -cycles for those who believe that everything that IS recycles and repeats itself 'Infinitely.'


Best Wishes!



posted on Oct, 27 2010 @ 02:47 AM
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Please clarify or explain what you mean by the soul being "inserted" into the body.

Many thanks in advance.



posted on Oct, 27 2010 @ 10:33 AM
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Hello ETMAN


Thank you for your time, in your reply. I hope all is well with you.

Can you tell me, if infinity is for eternal progression....doesnt progression have a point that one is trying to 'reach'? There would be a purpose....if it is about progression...there would be a point, that we are trying to progress to. Like a infant...a human progresses in growth, to adolescences and to adulthood.

Would you agree with the idea that if something is eternal, infinite, without beginning and end....that is it , perfect and pure already. What would there would for this 'perfectness' to learn, to progress to?

I think these 'higher selves' that we all THINK we are gaining wisdom from....is our ego self...the part of us that desires things, that thinks it 'knows' things, that see's itself 'separate' from all other life. I dont find this 'wrong' or 'bad'....but I find it limited in knowledge. If my higher self, and your higher self....are two and not one...we will gain different knowledge...different perspectives...for our desires and knowings' are different. Ego...is not 'bad'....for it is the part of us that makes us an 'I' and sure enough, we are all in a different body complex, with different intellect, different desires, different views. It is obviously a path that we are all to look into and 'be'. But I have had to question if this path is for 'progression and growth' as a 'self'......or if its more for an awakening...as being an expression of 'life'. For the 'life' itself, within us all...is impersonal...is perfect....is pure...is eternally purifying itself through phases of expression. (What kind of 'growth' is the life of an Ant....then ask yourself....what kind of expression is the life of ANT's in plural...watch them work, they have much to say...if you only observe the singular Ant life, the knowledge is limited...but if you observe the 'Ants' in plural form, you find something anew).

I think the answers/keys to all of this importance of seeing the 'oneness' and 'unity' of life....is in the universe around us. The 'word' is in life itself, in a place where it can always be found, no materials or words from another man is needed to find it. No seeking of 'future or past selves' is needed either...in the path of seeking 'oneness' of life. A man could be on this sphere all alone, with no materials...and could find the Spirit of life, and learn from it, allowing it to humble him, allowing him to see there is something greater then he, allowing him to see he is not separate at all....but instead, a part of it.

If we look at this one world we are all a part of....as it all separates itself into different beings, different races, different nations ect....it stands divided and limited in its potential as a one sphere. It stands in conflict, competition, prides, and greed. How can this change? The pride of being separate, the greed of wanting more then another, the competition of who is better then or less then....the division and seemingly separation, would have to be overcame. What if we are really to go on...and do better things? What if its in our nature, to do so? What if as we keep holding onto being separate selves, we wont be the prime expression we all have potential of being as a unit (like the Ants as a unit)? I have to ask myself....is this how the 'impersonal life' keeps purifying itself? By expressing itself into seemingly separateness.....with the effect of eventually 'life' will have to unify, be at one, to be all it can be, to be its highest potential. We can fight it as long as we wish....but if we all desire to be what we really are....ONE sphere....we will HAVE to accept certain things to make this happen. We would have to purify what divides us. Our individual thoughts....are expressions of us. Similarly, I believe, the Holy Spirit, expresses itself through many different phases of being...and I see 'us' as being those 'phases'. I also see that each of those phases, knows deep down, its not a separate self and its a part of something more....but the mind complex doesnt want to look into the idea that it might not be so special, on its own.

As important as I find it to be the 'I' of the seemingly separate body complex and mind that we think we are....I think there is a further path that few find, which is noticing that that we are a part of something, we all share something, we are all connected to a ONE thing...and without that ONE thing....we would NOT be. Different knowledge and wisdom comes....in this awareness then in the awareness of being 'separate'. We, as a world, will not be able to rise to our greatest potentials...living for separateness. Just as though to gain the knowledge from the path of being ONE requires humility and shedding pride of being a 'self'....so will the world have to gain humility in being a ONE....and shed their prides in being 'selves' as in separate races, separate nations. Without the Spirit of Life...would we exists? Could this be the wisdom that would bring a sphere...to be on its ultimate path of 'being'? If all knew this...and could admit to it...and could live in that knowing...what kind of world would transform here? Is this really a place to just 'learn' about being a 'self'? It is this whole reason and understanding...that made me choose to no longer seek ascension...no longer seek reward for self on a 'home' planet or heaven....it is this very understanding, that made my path change, and offering myself back to it all...and to stay where ever the Spirit finds use of expressing itself through 'phases'. Imagine...if there is other life out there...and one day we do get visited...what are we divided? How grand we would be, united, against anything outside of us. As well....the worth of value we would have as a sphere....to be an example, to others amongst this universe. I now have more hope in this idea then I have ever in my life...that Earth, has this potential...and the source of this potential, is the Spirit of life we share, that we consume to live, that gives us shelter, that unconditionally, impersonally, offers to us daily.




There are infinite 'souls' in existence 'souls' are eternal and more than could ever be understood at this level but the basic makeup of the soul from what I've been shown/told from my own experiences is that it's consciousness/intelligence with capability/potential to grow/advance and continually learn/advance thus 'Eternal progression.' All consciousness/intelligence is 'Infinite' and all things 'Infinite' have 'Infinite' potential/capability to grow/learn/advance with 'Infinite' experiences in so called 'TIME' thus that is what is referred to when we use the term 'Eternal Progression.' Eternal potential/capability exists in all Infinite 'consciousness/intelligence.'


How can you be so sure that your own desire and pride of being a separate self....is not what causes you to see a limited view of what a 'soul' is? We can notice that many can say things like 'what I have been shown' and we can see the emence differences of what everyone gets shown on the path of 'self'.....so how do we really know that we are not simply tapping into the Spirit of what we as 'selves' desire things to be. What if this Spirit is 'allowing' you to be fed what you desire...which is to be something of a 'individual' forever....so it offers this perspective to you, for it is what you desire to know/think. What if all past lives that people think they are giving a view of....are not a past life of a 'self' that is separate....but is a tapping into the ONE of what they are wishing or desiring to see or something that will aid them in their path somehow. What if the ALL/Holy Spirit....is the ONLY thing that is incarnating into every single life there is....and all we are doing is tapping into another 'phase' , another expression....of this Holy Spirit. If we are seeking 'individuality' for infinity....then we will see this tapping into as a 'self' unique to us....but it may not be unique to us as a 'self' at all...we only see it as that, for we wish to see that we are a infinite 'self' that is separate from others. On the path of seeing ONE in all life....then its not a real 'past self' that is unique to 'one person' but is a just another phase of the Spirit....that came through the Spirit expressing itself. So really, depending on what one desires...depends on what they are going to see it as. If we are in awareness that the Spirit is what is incarnating/emanating into all lives....then could we not tap into any past life here of Earth, or of another planet as well? Maybe if we shed the 'self' idea...we will be shown not through our desires...but of purpose, of how we can manifest the material world, create through being 'selves'...what we truly are...a ONE. Be it a sphere of beings that are one, be it a family of beings that are one, be it a galaxy of life, as one. The potentials here are truly then, infinite.

Can one really be sure that when they see a past life...that its unique to them. OR....could it be...that since they are of the ONE that offers itself to all life to be, by expressing itself...people are only tapping into a 'phase' of that creators/emanators expressions....its only unique....to the creator/emanator....but those on the path of being a individual, will see it as unique to them.

Are you really sure that we are not all sharing ONE true self....but we only choose to not see it that way? For what a hard path it is....to be in this body complex and mind complex...and consider that your not a 'self' that is separate....and your only unique in the fact that you are a unique expression...of the creator/emanator.

Is the life within the tree any different then the life within you? Go ask the tree...


All I can tell you is that I would of not been able to travel this perspective....if I did not seek the path of learning from what they call 'the Holy Spirit'. But on this path....much humility was needed, much shedding of the pride and attachment of being a 'self' was needed....but it was all so worth it, for what I gained, the perspective I gained, allowed me to see how all was perfect. Im ok now...of being a phase of this Spirit...of being an expression of it amongst other expressions. Just as though, my own mind....expresses itself through thought and there are many thoughts there in my mind, expressing themselves and through the way I live and I create/manifest, my thoughts into something more then a thought. My thoughts, can actually, take form, through my 'being'.

These expressions I see us all as....may not be something that the Spirit desired or 'thought' of and then just created....just like our own thoughts...we have some that 'just are' and that 'just be'. It could be that this Spirit of life expressing itself for infinity....just is...hence then it truly would be a/the only true 'IAM'. This may be a processing that has always been and will always be. The Spirit of Life...expressing itself...through manifesting into 'life. Something that always rang true with me was that the word 'bara' in Genesis when we read 'and god created the heavens and the earth'....can actually mean 'to fill and to fatten'. This hint right here...can be very quantum. The unseen 'life'...fills and fattens....to manifest into 'life'.

There is something far greater then I...and it is this Holy Spirit that is within all beings and all life and the entire Universe, and it is ONE> The self of me surely does desire to be infinite...and I can think that I am here to learn to become more/progress for infinity....but it really doesnt make that much sense. If I always was.....why would I need to progress. As a being can connect to that 'true self'....that is not separate from others...there is a harmony that is found that cant be found any where else. In that moment, nothing else matters, except that awareness, of ones true self. The part of us that is perfect, without the need to grow, without the need to better itself, without a need for anything at all....it just IS what it IS. Many think they are doing this...and call it a 'higher self'...but they see this higher self, still as something that has separateness from others and I think this limits us in understanding a grander existence. I dont think as 'selves' it really matters rather if we seek this out or not....but....it does hold the only key for unity, for the world to be what it can be. It is the only way...heaven can become on Earth, by finding this true perfection within all life....and knowing, its all a part of this 'true self' of you. Unity on this world, can not come, without this understanding. Pride will not cease without this understanding. I once thought, I was on a path for others..and on this path, I had put away my pride. But true honest observance of myself with the Spirit...shown me otherwise...it shown me, I did long for the 'self' to be infinite as a 'self'...something with individuality. I can look at it from 2 ways...either I can be content with seeing myself as something unique all on my own separate from others....or I can be content with seeing myself as something that is unique of the Spirit, not on my own, a part of all others.

Of course, I may talk as if its all 'matter of fact'....but I know its my own limited perspective in this separate body complex. I really hope you have time to read through it and make a response to it.

How do you know, if you tap into a 'past life' that this is not unique to your past as a separate self at all....but is just another phase of the IAM that you have been allowed to tap into, for it will serve a purpose for you somehow someway of what you are seeking...as a 'self'. For if it is the IAM, a ONE, that is incarnating into all and ever being....and this incarnation creates a 'phase' of the spirit and we have named this a 'soul'....how do we really know that what we see in past and future...is not something we are only being allowed and offered by the ONE....and its not to do with us being 'separate' at all. What if by allowing our desires in thought to be filled, we will eventually be led to the knowing of what really is, for we will still be hungry and thirsty in seeking after all the desires of 'self' have been sought for. We may feel content right now, in what we have found, from the 'higher self'...but who is to say, that is only going to suffice that being temporarily...that when they leave the body complex, they will see everything through the Divine Eye and see what they are of...and the Spirit will then manifest into another 'phase of being'.

My best always
LV

Edit to add some spelling and additional thoughts for clarity. Welcoming all to ponder and give feedback.
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posted on Oct, 27 2010 @ 11:03 AM
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I have a lot of respect for you, and what you shared, and still what you believe, for we all have our beliefs, some inherit them from family, some discover them, others experience them, but they still filter through us. I agree wholeheartedly we need to empty our cups, and encourage the positive things we find in others, and am also terrible writer at times, and give in to feeling upset by another's posts and not responding in the best way.

You have a lot of faith, and a real wish for perfection in self, though sometimes may come over as too harsh, and I respect and love you alot.

I will continue to use the terms Love & Light, and explain why, though I understand you feel a certain way about new age ideas. I don't. The reason is, many of the new age ideas are old age, from the vedas, often, or very similar. Even though I keep myself from most religious material and from any websites like Nesara and Lightworkers, and Ashtar Command, for to me they have obvious twists and perhaps even cia or something behind them steering idealists waking up into a certain pattern of thought, I still see that the people onboard with some of these ideas are often beautiful and have a wide variety of spiritual beliefs, many of which are indigenous/veda/shamanism, and ancient beliefs at that, and are doing good things they really believe are helping too. Some wonderful "Lights" there!

Yeshua also came out of India, Veda, Buddist, thought in his own way.

Light is a term meaning soul/life/intellect to me, but more. For we are called by Yeshua himself to shine our Light. To not cover them with a lampshade.

The term Love & Light is beautiful, and a lovely expression that I believe in.

From the New International Version:
niv.scripturetext.com...

Matthew 5:


Salt and Light

13“You are the salt of the earth. But if the salt loses its saltiness, how can it be made salty again? It is no longer good for anything, except to be thrown out and trampled by men.

14“You are the light of the world. A city on a hill cannot be hidden. 15Neither do people light a lamp and put it under a bowl. Instead they put it on its stand, and it gives light to everyone in the house. 16In the same way, let your light shine before men, that they may see your good deeds and praise your Father in heaven.


Even if you still have your own views on this, I am free to see the beauty and understand the meaning of this expression as my heart directs, just as you are with your own choices.

There are many things you have written on your website, as to how to live as STO that are very beneficial, and really positive, that would only help anyone to speak this message up.

We don't always have to agree.



posted on Oct, 27 2010 @ 11:17 AM
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The organized religions will let us all believe that we are imperfect and dirty. What if the message Jesus and the Buddha were sharing was that we are perfect and whole right now. Christ is not the surname of Jesus. Christ is christ Consciousness. It's all about consciousness. The message Jesus tried to deliver, but the ptb took over the message , it got lost and manipulated along the way. Then used to make us feel unworthy. Unworthy, scared and easy to control.



posted on Oct, 27 2010 @ 11:26 AM
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Originally posted by AdonaiChristBless

Remember to truely empty our cup we have to overcome the I as in we must entirely overcome who we are everything we have learned and be as a child a totally empty mind this is extremely difficult and only a few in history truely achieved it but doing so allows God to fill you in truth the holyspirit . . .


Absolutely 100% true. I've been doing it so long its automatic for me. (which is quite a feat with all the Earthly stuff that's gone on in my life).

I release - - like the air going out of a balloon - - leaving an empty vacuum - - to receive guidance from the "Holy Spirit" (or what ever label one wants to put on it). I actually do this continuously - - - kind of like "walking meditation".


. . . even I have only had a glimpse of such divine truth. It was enough to allow me to offer it to others, but I am realizing now I may have taken the wrong approach, I think warning another that their view may be a danger to them and presenting the reasons why is a good thing to do, like a parent warning a child about a hot stove, but I think my mistake is that I pushed to change the person, as in, even if I knew, that they would have consequence. Enlightened, I know that I should let them find out the hard way, but compassionately and because of ego I wanted to prevent them from suffering, but the higher thing to do is only to warn and then let them learn on their own. I'm realizing this lately and also realizing that if I don't step aside no matter how highly developed a being I may be, I can compromise my own position and be stuck in karma cycle myself.

Quorum
Adonai Christ bless


Thank you ACB.

Just because one offers a hand - does not mean the recipient is ready to take it TODAY (or even in this cycle).

I find that presenting an idea - in such a way - to at least cause a "crack in the brain of consciousness" - to get a thinking process going tends to work pretty well. Can't make them take the first step - - but can offer them the "road".



posted on Oct, 27 2010 @ 11:39 AM
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Originally posted by Itisnowagain
The organized religions will let us all believe that we are imperfect and dirty. What if the message Jesus and the Buddha were sharing was that we are perfect and whole right now. Christ is not the surname of Jesus. Christ is christ Consciousness. It's all about consciousness. The message Jesus tried to deliver, but the ptb took over the message , it got lost and manipulated along the way. Then used to make us feel unworthy. Unworthy, scared and easy to control.


Very very close my friend. Let me add something to your thought here. The earliest "New Testament" texts were written in Greek. Christ in Greek is Christos, or more specifically "Χριστός", written "Christós" and was abbreviated XPTO in those early documents. Christos is a label for things possessing very good qualities. That is all it means. When the "New Testament" was put together by Emperor Constantine, Christos was given a new meaning, that of "annointed one" or Messiah. This was done to make the two stories a compatible all encompassing book.

Did Jesus have a higher consciousness? I believe he would answer that question thus: "If you say that I do, I did not say that."


Ok, now back to spectator mode for me.

With Love,

Your Brother
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posted on Oct, 27 2010 @ 11:47 AM
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Originally posted by Unity_99
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I have a lot of respect for you, and what you shared, and still what you believe, for we all have our beliefs, some inherit them from family, some discover them, others experience them, but they still filter through us. I agree wholeheartedly we need to empty our cups, and encourage the positive things we find in others, and am also terrible writer at times, and give in to feeling upset by another's posts and not responding in the best way.

You have a lot of faith, and a real wish for perfection in self, though sometimes may come over as too harsh, and I respect and love you alot.

I will continue to use the terms Love & Light, and explain why, though I understand you feel a certain way about new age ideas. I don't. The reason is, many of the new age ideas are old age, from the vedas, often, or very similar. Even though I keep myself from most religious material and from any websites like Nesara and Lightworkers, and Ashtar Command, for to me they have obvious twists and perhaps even cia or something behind them steering idealists waking up into a certain pattern of thought, I still see that the people onboard with some of these ideas are often beautiful and have a wide variety of spiritual beliefs, many of which are indigenous/veda/shamanism, and ancient beliefs at that, and are doing good things they really believe are helping too. Some wonderful "Lights" there!

Yeshua also came out of India, Veda, Buddist, thought in his own way.

Light is a term meaning soul/life/intellect to me, but more. For we are called by Yeshua himself to shine our Light. To not cover them with a lampshade.

The term Love & Light is beautiful, and a lovely expression that I believe in.

From the New International Version:
niv.scripturetext.com...

Matthew 5:


Salt and Light

13“You are the salt of the earth. But if the salt loses its saltiness, how can it be made salty again? It is no longer good for anything, except to be thrown out and trampled by men.

14“You are the light of the world. A city on a hill cannot be hidden. 15Neither do people light a lamp and put it under a bowl. Instead they put it on its stand, and it gives light to everyone in the house. 16In the same way, let your light shine before men, that they may see your good deeds and praise your Father in heaven.


Even if you still have your own views on this, I am free to see the beauty and understand the meaning of this expression as my heart directs, just as you are with your own choices.

There are many things you have written on your website, as to how to live as STO that are very beneficial, and really positive, that would only help anyone to speak this message up.

We don't always have to agree.


you do so at risk of your own karma, but that is your decision you made the same mistakes in atlantis and may have to repeat the entire cycle because of doing it again this was your second chance and you followed the same programming and didnt reprogram it like did last time. You hve eternity to do this but will have to rebegin so lose all progress made this is the consequence of such.

Quorum
Adonai Christ bless



posted on Oct, 27 2010 @ 11:50 AM
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Originally posted by Itisnowagain
The organized religions will let us all believe that we are imperfect and dirty. What if the message Jesus and the Buddha were sharing was that we are perfect and whole right now. Christ is not the surname of Jesus. Christ is christ Consciousness. It's all about consciousness. The message Jesus tried to deliver, but the ptb took over the message , it got lost and manipulated along the way. Then used to make us feel unworthy. Unworthy, scared and easy to control.


Organized religion is Man Made - - - giving a platform for all of Earthly Man's weaknesses and sins - - - to be used and excused in the Name of God.

I will always say: "There are those individuals who truly walk in His footsteps" - - - but they do it from their own heart and soul - - - not from a Man in a pulpit.



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