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Hidden Hand Message - Law Of One - Discussion!

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posted on Oct, 24 2010 @ 12:29 PM
reply to post by Unity_99

Yes, this is exactly what I mean. My words in the previous post do not accurately describe the many things I am feeling; somewhat of an "spiritual informational overload." It takes time to sort-out. The "learning-curve" for me, now (this cycle) is "quickened." I don't have much time. Things happen for reasons not clearly defined until much later in life (life-changing events which shift your perspective, like having an illness only the Grace of God can save you from which changes your life completely.)

This world is painful to endure, the injustice, the cold-hearted people, the lonely, the abused, the hateful, and even the murderers; I feel so much pain knowing they weren't shown love. I grieve for these...the least of these who deserve love and compassion. My soul cries-out in sadness but also I store those cries in the "vault of sadness" to wait for the time when their longings of justice can be heard and made right.

I cannot put these away, I have to hope the time comes which everything as this will be like unconditional love. I cannot turn my back or look away. These are my people even though they deny me on so many levels; I cannot forsake them. To do this would be denying everything I know is true.

One day...soon.

posted on Oct, 24 2010 @ 12:48 PM
reply to post by trekwebmaster

Thank you, for your beautiful post. Unconditional love. I have spent many hours praying for children, who I know are being abused and their hearts broken, so that they may be rescued, someone's word, some inspiration, some intervention, a kind word or thought, a caring soul to enter in, dreams and inner inspiration.
We had a friend of my childrens, smaller in size, he had a growth hormone condition, he adapted and overcompensated with a tough mouth, and got my shy older boys in trouble because if you talk back to the bullies but are too small to hit, they attack the tall friend.

In any case, his mother would pick him up and carry him out to the car, because he was not quite mature enough to stay over night when he wanted to, and he had Tourettes. Computer, games and pretty normal. But both the brothers were too much for her, they both had conditions and violent fights,and she gave them up. He ended up in a foster home, devasted, his heart broken. I watched the light go out in his eyes, his trust gone. He was not allowed video games and computer and started coming over to visit, when arragements were made, then he started stealing, got into the wrong crowd, then he break in enters, and then when he turned 17, jail time.

All I can see is his case is somewhat typical. And I watched the process, trying to make suggestion, and will always love him.

I know all people who are acting out in obviousl dysfunctional and sociopathic ways are wounded, some are actually programmed, M'Kultra, but most are traumatized. The light went out in their eyes.

If I ever have a problem with someone, I see the child in them instantly, when the light was there, and pray for that child to be healed and re-emerge. I pray for the child in pschopathic killers as well.

The forming of a psychopath has some psychology behind it.

There is a critical stage children go through, preschool ages, where they learn others have feelings too, and are not just objects for them, and they learn to share, to give.

But, in the process, if instead they are traumatized, with no one to turn to, ie. both parents, or parent figures, not even an uncle to talk to, in that time period, roughly 3-5, its a critical time, then this does not happen. And barring a miracle, we only go through this development stage once.

If one parent is dysfunctional, but the other loving, just unaware, then the child may have problems, but its not as severe.

Many say, well I was abused and I'm OK. I say, if ten 5 years old fall in a swift river, they may rescue 4-6, but possibly 4 will drown. Note the ones we're judging, were damaged at 5, permanently.

Thats just one model, but we should never judge.

This world breaks my heart too.

posted on Oct, 24 2010 @ 01:30 PM
reply to post by Unity_99

Pardon me, tears are rolling down my face. Even the most gentle action can save a multitude. If I could give my life to be as recompense for all this suffering, I would do so. My heart's intent is true. But doing this is not my place or task, since I am not worthy (still working-through and learning how to manage my "beast" or brutish human-nature.)

I strive and constantly reprove any false-belief I may have and when I replace those things with unconditional love and compassion, I step one-more step further. Hopefully, I will be judged worthy when the time comes.

I can relate to the problems and troubles of the young-ones, they are indeed the most innocent and deserve more than what we give them. Also they are the most forgiving, since their ideological perspectives aren't too rigidly formed and still can be changed, if shown love which is true.

Learning how "religions" dictate belief, for me, has been troubling in the last few months, but truth is the truth; and cannot be changed. Why are we so inflexible as a whole to deny this truth? It is the simplest knowledge to understand once opened to it?

I lived the first-part of my life uncaring, greedy, selfish, using, controlling, hating. Until I was reminded this path was not to be trodden-on; I was "tapped-on" the shoulder and something changed, and I awoke. The only way to save myself was to live as if "I were dying" everyday. Suddenly, everything mattered, it was a long-road to try and change a life's pattern formed by insecurity and fear, but I am so thankful this happened.

I would not be the person I am today, imagine a "seemingly" terminal diagnosis could give life? If I had to do it over again, I would not change a thing; If I didn't realize this 16 years ago, I doubt I would be here typing this. Some say God doesn't exist, I am living-proof conversely. Negative stigma is one which can bankrupt souls and destroy any hope a person has. Dealing with this is very familiar; it hasn't destroyed but has made strong a faith which cannot be dissolved.

In Christ, because it was preordained for all men to have as a birthright. No man may take this from any human being unless they take it from themselves as a theif in the night. The beauty of this uncondition is that once lost, it can be regained due to the birthright and from free-will. I fear for the people who cause a brother or sister to stumble and go astray, they will be required a recompense. Striving for perfection and asking forgiveness is the only way I can reconcile this personally, I have made many mistakes which are forgiven so my progress toward my ultimate goal may be actualized.

I try to live by this sweet and beautiful passage from the KJV of the Bible; I can hope through Grace of God and Christ to be one day like, since the passage confirms humanity can achieve this:

1For every high priest taken from among men is ordained for men in things pertaining to God, that he may offer both gifts and sacrifices for sins:

2Who can have compassion on the ignorant, and on them that are out of the way; for that he himself also is compassed with infirmity.

3And by reason hereof he ought, as for the people, so also for himself, to offer for sins.

4And no man taketh this honour unto himself, but he that is called of God, as was Aaron.

5So also Christ glorified not himself to be made an high priest; but he that said unto him, Thou art my Son, to day have I begotten thee.

6As he saith also in another place, Thou art a priest for ever after the order of Melchisedec.

7Who in the days of his flesh, when he had offered up prayers and supplications with strong crying and tears unto him that was able to save him from death, and was heard in that he feared;

8Though he were a Son, yet learned he obedience by the things which he suffered;

9And being made perfect, he became the author of eternal salvation unto all them that obey him;

10Called of God an high priest after the order of Melchisedec.

11Of whom we have many things to say, and hard to be uttered, seeing ye are dull of hearing.

12For when for the time ye ought to be teachers, ye have need that one teach you again which be the first principles of the oracles of God; and are become such as have need of milk, and not of strong meat.

13For every one that useth milk is unskilful in the word of righteousness: for he is a babe.

14But strong meat belongeth to them that are of full age, even those who by reason of use have their senses exercised to discern both good and evil.

Much love and blessings, it's ours if we only love unconditionally and open our hearts and minds to the possibility...this is our birthright. Our true destiny.

posted on Oct, 24 2010 @ 01:36 PM
Yesterday I first read the complete HH message.
I am only on Page 2 of this thread (but felt compelled to reply before finishing all 130 pages)

I had varying responses.

1) Most of what HH had to say seemed directly in line with the problems with modern theology today, and the difference with original religions and what man has adapted modern Chrisitanity into.

2) Calling his group soul "Lucifer" did bother me, because of what I have learned in my religion, to hate Lucifer.... But, what has Lucifer done bad to me, other than furnish me with the choice between good and evil. Without the choice, there can be no good.

Also, it is believed that high levels of the illuminati and Masonic groups do worship a form of Luciferianism (please correct me if I am wrong about this) I even seem to remember that George Bush was accused of being a Satanist.

This HH message doesn nothing but corraborate these accusations.

3) Most of what HH said rung true to me, and there were several things that I felt in my heart to be true.
No supporting evidence to these facts other than my personal feelings.
When something FEELS right, it just does.
Its almost as if there is a universal truth that you can tap into.

4) I have also previously reviewed Ra channelings, and these HH QandA sessions are very close to what those said.

5) Edgar Cayce was a "devout" Christian, and would use prayer and his own meditation exercises to channel knowledge from beyond. Much of what Cayce concluded has been echoed in the HH message.
Heck, Edgar Cayce performed the first knee surgery of a certain type on himself, from knowledge from his meditations, and he was not an educated surgeon.

6) Even though some rings true, I still think that I should be wary of this message, as it goes against some beliefs put forth by religion. But, at the basis of the HH message is love, compassion and service to others. How can that message be evil?

posted on Oct, 24 2010 @ 01:48 PM

Originally posted by Copernicus

Another observation while reading the HH page. NONE of his prophecies from September 10, 2008, has become true. Here is what was said:

- The Stock Markets will soon complete their controlled demolition. After an initial 'appearance' that the 'bail outs' and 'rescue packages' have steadied the ship, there will be new record lows by the end of the month.

- Our Financial Institutions will later call in all loans. There will be many bankruptcies and foreclosures.

- The only way John McCain will become the next US President, will be if something "happens" to Barack Obama before the election. If there even is an election. If a certain faction get their way, there will not be. Remember, behind the scenes, there is only One Party. Our Party. 'Democracy' is an illusion which is created to uphold your slavery. Whichever side 'wins'; the Family wins. There are many possibilities and alternative 'scripts'. All of them lead toward the ultimate implementation of the overall blueprint of our Creator.

- Unless any unforeseen disruptions delay it's announcement, there will be a new currency by the end of 2008 / early 2009, along with a new Union of nations. January has been spoken of in some circles, as the latest, though there are plans underway which could even bring this to fruition much earlier than initially hoped for. It depends upon the results of other upcoming events as to how this will play out. I am not high enough up the Hierarchy to know the intimate details of the dates and times that far in advance. There is a 'tree system' in which such knowledge is passed down, as and when it becomes 'need to know'. I would be considered to be a "Regional" leader. Above me, are National and International.

- San Francisco and Damascus, will be uninhabitable by the end of 2010, possibly even sooner. Again, it depends upon certain 'forces' at play, and which timelines are activated. Humanity, though utterly unconscious of the fact, has a significant part to play in this. You (as a collective consciousness of the planet) are choosing the Negative Polarization by default, by the quality of your thoughts and actions. Thought is creative energy, focused. You get exactly what you put out.

- There will be dramatic changes to your climate and weather conditions over the next few years, as the time of the Great Harvest approaches. You will see windspeeds surpassing 300 miles per hour at times. There will be raging tsunamis and widespread devastation; and a solar emission in late 2009 early 2010 that will cause major melting of the ice caps, and subsequent drastic rise in sea levels, leaving many (international) metropolitan areas underwater.

[edit on 6-8-2010 by Copernicus]

I have to say Copernicus, you couldn't be more from assert that none have come true, lets look at it again, two months after you posted that NONE came true.

1. The stock markets are in DIRE trouble, our economy is crashing

2. Financial institutions calling in loans, sounds right to me.... have you listened to what has happened to European banks..... many bankruptcies and foreclosures.... that hits home in America, also worldwide.
-----So thats 2 for 2, which refutes your NONE statement, but lets continue

3. Barak Hussein Obama won, and yes I think the Democratic and Republican parties are both fronts, a clever ploy to make people think that they have a choice, when their choice results in the same Powers that Be still being in power.

4. New currency 2008 early 2009 .. The Amero debuted approximately around this time, along with released plans to form an American Union, similar to European Union..... more proof of NWO plans for one worldwide governance.

5. San Fansisco Uninhabitable by end of 2010... well we still have a few months to see if this comes to light, still have time to come to fruition.

6. great changes to the climate ... Yes... look at the greater occurance of Tsunamis, wildfires, tornados, earthquakes, mudslides worldwide.

So, for you to Assert that none have come true, I wonder what world or dimension you base your thoughts on.

To me, these were accurate, if not frightening predictions of times that were to have come, and that have came...

posted on Oct, 24 2010 @ 01:59 PM

Originally posted by Unity_99
Hidden Hand's message and the Law of One often get intertwined. I've read HH's, the law of one, I can't. I can sense the distortion immediately, .

Unity, I see you still are active in this thread, so I wanted to ask you.....

Did you mean that you can read HH's message without sensing anything wrong,
But, when you read Ra's Law of One, there were too many small things that stuck out at you that felt wrong?

I'm not saying you're wrong..... I just wanted to understand what you meant.

If that was what you meant, perhaps this is the 85%-90% correct that HH was talking about.
Any ideas?

posted on Oct, 24 2010 @ 02:15 PM
Please don't be overly concerned by predictions, which may have changed since and are no longer the "branch" in which we travel.

Instead, place your faith in the truth; God's will is perfect resolution despite any objection or subjection.

Again, he limiteth a certain day, saying in David, To day, after so long a time; as it is said, To day if ye will hear his voice, harden not your hearts.

8For if Jesus had given them rest, then would he not afterward have spoken of another day.

9There remaineth therefore a rest to the people of God.

10For he that is entered into his rest, he also hath ceased from his own works, as God did from his.

11Let us labour therefore to enter into that rest, lest any man fall after the same example of unbelief.

12For the word of God is quick, and powerful, and sharper than any twoedged sword, piercing even to the dividing asunder of soul and spirit, and of the joints and marrow, and is a discerner of the thoughts and intents of the heart.

13Neither is there any creature that is not manifest in his sight: but all things are naked and opened unto the eyes of him with whom we have to do.

14Seeing then that we have a great high priest, that is passed into the heavens, Jesus the Son of God, let us hold fast our profession.

15For we have not an high priest which cannot be touched with the feeling of our infirmities; but was in all points tempted like as we are, yet without sin.

16Let us therefore come boldly unto the throne of grace, that we may obtain mercy, and find grace to help in time of need.

In Christ, most don't understand what this means. To walk "In Christ" is a decision to be "As Christ" and not to be taken lightly or taken without seriousness. Some claim this but do not live it and such is evident in their "works." When you choose to walk / live "In Christ," you are a Son of God and not a Son of Man; this is very important and is not taught correctly in our modern times. This distinction enables us to understand the "Holy Trinity" of "Father, Son, and Holy Spirit." The Father is God, The Son is anyone who walks and lives "In Christ," and the Holy Spirit is the "Holy Force of Goodness and Love" which through all things good flow.

We can choose to be a Son of Man (worldly and temporary) or a Son of God (Eternal and Permanent.) This choice is the division where you can "divide truth from untruth." Sons of Man will never enter in the Rest of God due to unbelief.

Don't you see? Unconditional Love vs. Conditional Love; the essence of Good and evil and choice; there is a Divine Purpose. We don't have to see it, touch it, or prove it if we have Faith! We know it.

posted on Oct, 24 2010 @ 02:23 PM

Originally posted by Universal Light

Hidden Hand gave more truths than you lead on. He certainly told blatant lies, they served his agenda. But the diamonds were well outside the rough, much more rare than knowledge buried in earth.

Hi there Universal.....
I'm questioning your assertion that he told "Blatant Lies". Can you point these out?

I would like to look at these "lies" to further my journey of assertaining the truth of the HH message, and if their are lies, their hidden agenda.

I am not calling you a liar, or saying you are wrong, just wondering where you get these assertions from.
Please, provide something blatant, and not just something you think might be a lie.

posted on Oct, 24 2010 @ 02:24 PM
reply to post by ThreeDeuce
I have a point to make, its something thats got me thinking since i first read the HH message a few months ago, (incidentally i feel this guy was on the level, i dont think it was a hoax and a lot of what he wrote resonated with me), about the fact that his prophecies have not come true, im sure i read somewhere in the original message him saying to never trust those people who when making prophecies provide exact dates as they are working for the other side (his side surely?), and they are setting us up for a fall because when they do not come true we increasingly lose faith in each new one that comes along. Could he have possibly been giving us an obvious demonstration of this? Just a thought.

posted on Oct, 24 2010 @ 02:31 PM
reply to post by ThreeDeuce

OK, with the law of one, I couldn't get past a few pages, the energy was too much for me, opposite to mine, and then he said, "If you read any further I will send (can't remember the term but I use the word "runners") out to you to assist. (paraphrased, it was years ago). I know what that means, and no thank you, keep your runners away. I am not able to enter that room. And others have posted quotes from this entity and that work is real, its a real channeled entity, and I can't read past his opening line of naming himself.

HH is a human, and I could read it, and I'm not saying by disagreeing with him that he may not have made accurate predictions, some of them may have been accurate. He may have inside knowledge, he could be who he says he is, or working on behalf of such a person.

Its the beiefs he brought up, his paradigm, and possible that of others in the group of people who gave themselves entitlement to rule over us, that I take great exception to.

It is a great distortion of truth.

I wrote a thread in my signature to them to wake up to Equality and Love. Infinity Equalizes everyone. And, one thing to note, is the concept of dimensions, 3d, 4d, 5d ,6d, 7d as humans use it, are not accurate. There are infinite space-time channels based on orbits of planets and moons around stars, each has its own space-time dimension. The universe is a huge collage, rather than a flat plane. We don't see much looking out with hubble in our space-time, on our density channel.

There are also infinite density channels.

Higher Self, those that passed the test, are Future Selves, for in an infinite system, we all are infinite, and there is no time.

That means an infinite number of us in No Time, stretching endlessly in both directions.

HH claims that those that graduated and passed the tests (note this would be Higher Self form of us, and therefore, would be outside this universe/school/dvd player as well), who are Love & Light, have come back to play the bad guy roles, to don the black hats, to be catalysts for our growth.

Higher Selves would never do this.

He is believing or presenting a justification for their negativity, for them chosing to be wolves, based on their mystery school esoteric beliefs, its a distortion, and feeds on their sense of grandeur and entitlement, and thus these ones, who came in for tests like all of us, seem to believe they are not being tested, just us, that they are Demi Gods or something, and doing this for our own good.

I don't know if the true self appointed elites really feel like this message, or if they are simply giving into their own greed, and enjoy power over others, and really allign knowingly to the negative entities that are running this planet, the true puppet masters, hidden hand or eye of horus.

This may be a niave fairy tale meant to make those who are more awake think they, tptb, have entitlement, and they're only doing this for our own good.

True Higher Ups, only leave this universe after they have passed their tests, and LOVE is the big one. I posted a link either above or on the last page, that ET_MAN wrote sharing his experiences, his nde, and also his memory of the Beyond, outside this universe. The kind of love and mature dealings with everyone including those harder moments and individuals, to not judge anyone, to not retaliate against anyone, to care for all as friends and family and not use harsh words, control, but truly become the grown up one, in an interaction with someone hurting you.

This is learning LOVE.

Love does not hurt.
Love does not hate. It never murders, tortures, rapes, abuses, starves to death, drops bombs on, enslaves or mind controls anyone for any reason whatsoever. It does not do this as a catalyst.

The role of those who are watching over us from On High, is as guides, teachers. They encourage us, they shine light in our darkness. When we are at the lowest, in a car accident or in the hospital, so many have had their voices get through to them. They show us the way back home, and its by Love.

Never does anyone who is truly Loving and Mature, harm another for any reason.

So the entire idea is a distortion and untruth, and a manipulation of us. If any of those who appointed themselves to be our rulers thinks this way, they are also being manipulated by those above them.

I for one, don't think they actually feel this, that this is a niave interpretation of what they are following and their intention or reasons.

But, it may be varied. There may be a hard line version and a soft line version to convert their children with, depending on the child's nature. I imagine there are many loving hearts born into elite families. So perhaps there is a fairy tale, softened up version for the ones with a conscience.

But its not correct. The very heart of the message is an error and a manipulation.

That is how I see it.

posted on Oct, 24 2010 @ 03:29 PM
reply to post by Unity_99

But, I am still curious.... what "Blatant Lies"?

Please make this a simple answer.

posted on Oct, 24 2010 @ 03:45 PM
reply to post by ThreeDeuce

The entire premise. That they are entitled to their positions via being advanced souls, who have passed the tests, and are murdering and starving billions for love. This is quite an inconsistency!

Its an enormous twist.

But, it also makes sense that they would errect a trap like this, as well.

This entire article is targeting more awake free thinkers, the ones waking up and thinking for themselves and questioning everything.

By these traps and distortions at fundamental key places, one would think that there is no right or wrong, that all paths lead home, that Love is Tough and Brutal too. To give away our thinking and natural rejection of their pain tactics, to them once again. Its like a meme for the pyramid system, entitlement to the dictatorship at the top, that his harshness is for our own good. It is a symbol for EL as well.

The eye of horus is: Enki/Enlil/El/Isis/Ra/Osirus/Zeus/Quetzcoatl This is linked to Saturn as well, and represents their authority or pyramid and the puppet masters or the true Hidden Hand.

If you believe this and Law of One, then there is no wrong or right, and passing the test does not occur when we are all grown up and filled with Love.

And you will obey the puppet masters, for they are the tough elders over your head fully entitled.

And you will obey and follow bad orders, such as shooting so called combatants/civlians (but think of americans who have the right to bear arms and what they would do if invaded. These are citizens not combatants to me) who have surrendered in Iraq, as revealed by Wikileaks latest, because there is no consequence to you for we are all One

Criticial thinking and understanding what Love is and what it takes to pass the tests important.

Even those in traditional religions such as Christianity know there is a wrong and right, and that good conduct and behavior, even holding your ground when its very unpopular to do so, to disobey bad orders that are against your conscience even if that would entail great harm to self, is modeled to them. They may not all live their faith, but they understand better than this teaching.

The truth is its all about Equality and Love.
edit on 24-10-2010 by Unity_99 because: (no reason given)

posted on Oct, 24 2010 @ 04:23 PM
I understand your thinking.

But, if your premise is correct, I'm completey (sp?) missing the point.

Because, if how I read them, the main point is love, and spreading the light,
Then how could the basis of the paper be evil.

Regardless of who is doing the evil, I don't see how the HH article does nothing to further their evil plans.
Wouldn't there surely be some actions they want to bring about, or some distinct thoughts or ideas that they want to change; with this paper, under the assumption this is all part of a larger evil scheme.

I don't see any evil intent, other than spreading the word of love for our creator, and for ourselves.

Love and Light.

posted on Oct, 24 2010 @ 04:36 PM
For conversation sake...I see some fairly new comers to the thread that are asking what others think about HH's message.

In short, Ill sum my thoughts that I posted elsewhere in this huge thread

HH see's this world as a trap system....I argue against such an idea...for a trap offers no way out. I argue that all the seemingly road blocks are there for a reason....if you cant step over the road blocks yet, you have not gained what you need in the life of Spirit to move on. There are keys for a true seeker who is trying to be aware of their own effect on others around them and to the Earth they live on and from. Just because the key is not hanging right in front of our face screaming 'here I am' does not mean that the keeper did not place the key in a more safe spot (like under the rug) to be found.

HH also supports that beings of 'service to others' came here taking on a 'evil role' out of their love for others/us. That the role of darkness has to be played, for its needed, and that some 'highly evolved' souls come here and take on that role of 'darkness' to supply us with something we need in this world of duality.

My argument against that is that there is always enough duality within nature itself for us to gain the 'dark' experiences, like lose of loved ones, selfish feelings because someone has more then we do, prideful feelings can arise from being a 'individual' or of a certain 'group' ect...the natural design has enough dualtiy placed within it that beings dont have to choose a 'negative' role to provide us with our 'lessons'. Plus...I dont buy for one second that a 'higher evolved' being could or would, while on the path of true service to others/all....would incarnate and be able to be a selfish leader or full of pride or live for greed and pride. If your on a path in service to others/ have a certain vibration within you, a certain nature has become you. A soul would do more good by coming here and being a 'vibration holder' of love then to come here and be a negative attribute amongst us.

My issue with both HH and the Law of I think there can be a test within them and this test may indeed come from the highest order of the IAM. All through history we have been given materials and these materials seem to have 2 paths in them. One path is obvious, being something we read word for word, not having to look in between the lines. But...that path...may be something that we are not seeing it to be. It may indeed be testing us to see if we are ready for 'more' or not. I see a new age coming and with this new age new material arises. Its really, not that different then the last material that came at the start of the last age...just new words and fancy 'feel goods' within it for the 'self'. The 'new ' teachings encourage people to 'seek ascension' and at the same time, say that to gain the 'positive path of ascension' one must be more in service to others then to their own self. Its a 2 edged sword.

If you seek ascnesion....what is the intent in the seeking? Is it a desire you have within you...something you want, wish, long for? Who is it for?

Who is it for?

Who is it for?

Who is it for?

Is it for the 'self'?

Is if for the 'other selves that you SAY and THINK you are in service to?

Again...if you seek ascension...who do you seek ascension for? Then ask yourself...who are you in service to?

Most are not ready to abandon the path of self...and this is OK. But once one can see what it is...they may realize they did not come back to 3D for ascension at all...but they came back here to make a honest choice based on their inner nature. Many may think they are on one path...but if they can just be honest of what their last desire is for...they will see they are still on the path of self...and they can be OK with that and know they are still loved for that> Honesty is the key here to discern this. Be honest with yourself, of what you seek and why you seek it. When the answer comes, forgive yourself, know all and one forgives you for having to walk many paths before you are ready. The path of self offers something of great importance....learning to truly love and accept, the self. Know all paths are meant to be, none are a mistake, all offer the ONE something that is needed.

Its only a test....its presented, so souls can make a choice. Another 2000 years from now, a similar teaching will arise...offering the choice of 'self' or 'other selves'. Do you see the light within others?

Its no different then the decisions that were presented through religions that taught people to seek 'salvation for the self'.

On the path of service to care not where the 'self' goes, as long as it serves the divine will of ALL/One.

posted on Oct, 24 2010 @ 04:40 PM

Originally posted by ThreeDeuce
I understand your thinking.

But, if your premise is correct, I'm completey (sp?) missing the point.

Because, if how I read them, the main point is love, and spreading the light,
Then how could the basis of the paper be evil.

Regardless of who is doing the evil, I don't see how the HH article does nothing to further their evil plans.
Wouldn't there surely be some actions they want to bring about, or some distinct thoughts or ideas that they want to change; with this paper, under the assumption this is all part of a larger evil scheme.

I don't see any evil intent, other than spreading the word of love for our creator, and for ourselves.

Love and Light.

The very idea that beings come here playing a 'dark role' out of love for us...

can encourage young souls/people that are still having trouble over coming things like 'greed, lusts, prides' stay on those paths and that its ok...that they can convince their selves that now...these attributes they struggle with are all out of love...for others.

Once you label a ill patient...the label itself can cause much harm if its 'untrue'. Calling someone 'bi polar' when they are not can actually offer the person a 'excuse' to behave certain ways.

But note...Im not calling the message evil at all...I think any message shows us something to discern and offers something to use in weighing and measuring things.

But I think a young seeker who is not sure about what a 'path of service to others, out of love', really is....could make excuses or use such ideas as an stay on the path of greed, pride, and living for lust. Filling the desires of the 'self' while masking it as 'for others.

posted on Oct, 24 2010 @ 04:40 PM
reply to post by ThreeDeuce

His advice to those trying to achieve the 51% positive harvest is about Love. He is the group trying to achieve 95% negative harvest.

I'm concerned with the basic thesis or theme in the work, what is their entitlement? What is the belief that drives their behavior? I'm going to the heart of it, not bits and pieces.

He is right, we're all the Family of Light, each and every one of us, even the ones choosing the negative lane on the hwy consciously or unconsciously, driving in the opposite direction. He is right, under all the masks we were, there is light.

But the overall message is still merely a justification for their murder, torture, starvation and slavery of billions. And it has at its heart a message that Love hurts, that there is no right or wrong as the Law of One suggests, just a choosing of polarity. So to me this was done entrap to entrap those freeing their minds and once again attempt to pull them back to the pyramid system.
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posted on Oct, 24 2010 @ 05:05 PM
reply to post by Unity_99

I dont think he was trying to justify anything, he was just stating a possible reason why people would want to perpetrate evil upon the world.

We KNOW that there is evil out there.
We KNOW that the people perpetrating evil want it to spread

So, why then question reasoning for why a group might be choosing to do evil.

They realize it is bad for us, but necessary for themselves.

I am glad that I am not in that position, to need to choose to do bad daily.

95% self service is going to be hard to attain on a personal level for most people, but so will 51% service to others.

I don't see this HH material gaining more to the 95% mark, remember ... its a message of love.
So, your evil intent theory just doesnt sit well with me.

posted on Oct, 24 2010 @ 05:22 PM
reply to post by ThreeDeuce

When I read that, he was saying he was an insider, he was one of them, he was trying to achieve the 95%.

I read to the heart of his message and what I discussed about this he brought up. The heart of this issue is also what Jessicamystic brings up in her video about this, for he wrote to her and linked the thread as well.

Jessica Mystic : 2012 Part 3 (7/7) - How To Be Free From The Illuminati

Just after 2 minutes shortly after she begins to discuss HH.

posted on Oct, 24 2010 @ 05:37 PM
You people have the words of poets

I want to say the point is that are we not all Starseeds and Walk In's, so why are we all fighting then this does not make sense to me. I mean Starseeds come here with such little memories within the life and even Walk In's also are not fully aware, because once a being is born into this world upon entry the knowledge can fry their brain. That is why neither parties know fully the truth so it is pointless to argue all the time, we are not showing our compassion,love and light. For we are showing our egos that we know more then the other and that is the problem with us as if a flaud inside the design. I guess nothing can be truly fully perfect in this world.

In any case we should stop arguing about our views and points is not the aim to show love also compassion to all with any beliefs that they have.

Just food for thought that is all.

Kind Regards


posted on Oct, 24 2010 @ 06:02 PM
reply to post by The Magicians Apprentice

Hey, this is not called fighting. This is a forum, and discussing differing opinions in a respectful, grown up matter, is what forums are about.

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