So if Germany started both world wars....

Seems odd to me that their are so many USA haters on here... I mean for fooks sake when did the USA ever kill a few million jews? Why are we not just full blown chastizing germany?? does time heal all wounds? and if so why isnt the USA who wasnt the last nor the inventor of slavery ever cut some slack??? Why dont we ever hear about the africans who sold their own into slavery?? Seems so easy just to blame the red white and blue for everything when in fact you me and he would speaking german with out them.

Germany started 2 world wars, and the USA cleaned up the clutter, yet it is us who get the bulk of your crap... no Hitler ever came from the USA....

Seems wierd to me that Germany just gets a free pass on all of this racial clensing stuff.

F the USA right, I always wanted to speak German anyway!!!!!!!!!!

Bad USA, Good Germany starters of 2 world wars....

What the FCK ever!!!!!!!!!!!

And your point is????

Mods, please move this to the Rant section at BTS!

ETA: double post!

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reply to post by redseal


Did you have a bad day?
Did you ever read something and not really know how to respond or where to start, and when you did think about it, you realized you would need to write a volume.
That's how this kind of left me feeling, and usually I'm pretty good with words and expression.
I'm not rippin on you, I'm just confused as to what you are expecting as far as a reply or dialogue.
I hope your day gets better.

reply to post by HappilyEverAfter


Ditto.
Ditto.
Ditto.
And..... ditto.

Just couldn't have said it better myself!

Sure there are a lot of haters, especially in Europe, but so what?

I almost pity Europeans who irrationally hate the US. "Forgive them for they know not what they say." They have, for hundreds of generations, lived under-the-thumb of various forms of governmental control, from warlords to kings to dictators to the current faceless bureaucratic socialism.

They literally have no concept of individualism, self-determination, or freedom. Or worse, they confuse freedom (AKA liberty) with their right to get drunk and brawl at soccer matches. It must be so belittling to have no voice outside of mass protesting and rioting... I'd need some booze too.

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reply to post by redseal


Question: Do you live in Germany or have you spent time there?

I haven't either so I wouldn't know the situation in Germany.



What I do know is that all things having to do with the Nazis and Nazi memorabilia is outlawed. So is questioning the "facts" about the holocaust.

For all we know, the whole hate your country thing may be going on there as well. We just never hear about it because we're Americans and we couldn't give a rats ass about what goes on in other countries.

It is entirely possible that the Germans and the rest of Europe may still hold a grudge against what Germany did but we self centered Americans are too busy beating ourselves up over our own supposed sins to notice.

Well haven't we killed a few million Iraqis? I'm not happy with governments, not necesarily people. Power runs rampant.

May I suggest some prescription mary jane?!
You're harshing my mellow braaahh.

reply to post by redseal


Dear redseal

There is obviously a real big problem with the US education system.

Try taking a few history lessons.

The only time American people get on the wrong side on me is when they sound like you.

Your American establishment is another thing entirely. So since this is what the world hears about, yes the US pisses them off.

Well here is the truth in the matter

www.guardian.co.uk...

The above topic contains information on the Bush Family Funding Hitler.

There is also a blood lineage that runs back from Israel to our Current President. The People that control the money the Rothschild banking family come directly from a money changer at a temple when Jesus was around.

With enough research the truth is right in front of you. The best site is ATS to find all this crap.

American wars
ARGENTINA 1890 Troops Buenos Aires interests protected.
CHILE 1891 Troops Marines clash with nationalist rebels.
HAITI 1891 Troops Black revolt on Navassa defeated.
IDAHO 1892 Troops Army suppresses silver miners' strike.
HAWAII 1893 (-?) Naval, troops Independent kingdom overthrown, annexed.
CHICAGO 1894 Troops Breaking of rail strike, 34 killed.
NICARAGUA 1894 Troops Month-long occupation of Bluefields.
CHINA 1894-95 Naval, troops Marines land in Sino-Japanese War
KOREA 1894-96 Troops Marines kept in Seoul during war.
PANAMA 1895 Troops, naval Marines land in Colombian province.
NICARAGUA 1896 Troops Marines land in port of Corinto.
CHINA 1898-1900 Troops Boxer Rebellion fought by foreign armies.
PHILIPPINES 1898-1910 (-?) Naval, troops Seized from Spain, killed 600,000 Filipinos
CUBA 1898-1902 (-?) Naval, troops Seized from Spain, still hold Navy base.
PUERTO RICO 1898 (-?) Naval, troops Seized from Spain, occupation continues.
GUAM 1898 (-?) Naval, troops Seized from Spain, still use as base.
MINNESOTA 1898 (-?) Troops Army battles Chippewa at Leech Lake.
NICARAGUA 1898 Troops Marines land at port of San Juan del Sur.
SAMOA 1899 (-?) Troops Battle over succession to throne.
NICARAGUA 1899 Troops Marines land at port of Bluefields.
IDAHO 1899-1901 Troops Army occupies Coeur d'Alene mining region.
OKLAHOMA 1901 Troops Army battles Creek Indian revolt.
PANAMA 1901-14 Naval, troops Broke off from Colombia 1903, annexed Canal Zone 1914.
HONDURAS 1903 Troops Marines intervene in revolution.
DOMINICAN REPUBLIC 1903-04 Troops U.S. interests protected in Revolution.
KOREA 1904-05 Troops Marines land in Russo-Japanese War.
CUBA 1906-09 Troops Marines land in democratic election.
NICARAGUA 1907 Troops "Dollar Diplomacy" protectorate set up.
HONDURAS 1907 Troops Marines land during war with Nicaragua
PANAMA 1908 Troops Marines intervene in election contest.
NICARAGUA 1910 Troops Marines land in Bluefields and Corinto.
HONDURAS 1911 Troops U.S. interests protected in civil war.
CHINA 1911-41 Naval, troops Continuous occupation with flare-ups.
CUBA 1912 Troops U.S. interests protected in civil war.
PANAMA 1912 Troops Marines land during heated election.
HONDURAS 1912 Troops Marines protect U.S. economic interests.
NICARAGUA 1912-33 Troops, bombing 10-year occupation, fought guerillas
MEXICO 1913 Naval Americans evacuated during revolution.
DOMINICAN REPUBLIC 1914 Naval Fight with rebels over Santo Domingo.
COLORADO 1914 Troops Breaking of miners' strike by Army.
MEXICO 1914-18 Naval, troops Series of interventions against nationalists.
HAITI 1914-34 Troops, bombing 19-year occupation after revolts.
TEXAS 1915 Troops Federal soldiers crush "Plan of San Diego" Mexican-American rebellion
DOMINICAN REPUBLIC 1916-24 Troops 8-year Marine occupation.
CUBA 1917-33 Troops Military occupation, economic protectorate.
WORLD WAR I 1917-18 Naval, troops Ships sunk, fought Germany for 1 1/2 years.
RUSSIA 1918-22 Naval, troops Five landings to fight Bolsheviks
PANAMA 1918-20 Troops "Police duty" during unrest after elections.
HONDURAS 1919 Troops Marines land during election campaign.
YUGOSLAVIA 1919 Troops/Marines intervene for Italy against Serbs in Dalmatia.
GUATEMALA 1920 Troops 2-week intervention against unionists.
WEST VIRGINIA 1920-21 Troops, bombing Army intervenes against mineworkers.
TURKEY 1922 Troops Fought nationalists in Smyrna.
CHINA 1922-27 Naval, troops Deployment during nationalist revolt.
HONDURAS 1924-25 Troops Landed twice during election strife.
PANAMA 1925 Troops Marines suppress general strike.
CHINA 1927-34 Troops Marines stationed throughout the country.
EL SALVADOR 1932 Naval Warships send during Marti revolt.
WASHINGTON DC 1932 Troops Army stops WWI vet bonus protest.
WORLD WAR II 1941-45 Naval, troops, bombing, nuclear Hawaii bombed, fought Japan, Italy and Germay for 3 years; first nuclear war.
DETROIT 1943 Troops Army put down Black rebellion.
IRAN 1946 Nuclear threat Soviet troops told to leave north

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YUGOSLAVIA 1946 Nuclear threat, naval Response to shoot-down of US plane.
URUGUAY 1947 Nuclear threat Bombers deployed as show of strength.
GREECE 1947-49 Command operation U.S. directs extreme-right in civil war.
GERMANY 1948 Nuclear Threat Atomic-capable bombers guard Berlin Airlift.
CHINA 1948-49 Troops/Marines evacuate Americans before Communist victory.
PHILIPPINES 1948-54 Command operation CIA directs war against Huk Rebellion.
PUERTO RICO 1950 Command operation Independence rebellion crushed in Ponce.
KOREA 1951-53 (-?) Troops, naval, bombing , nuclear threats U.S./So. Korea fights China/No. Korea to stalemate; A-bomb threat in 1950, and against China in 1953. Still have bases.
IRAN 1953 Command Operation CIA overthrows democracy, installs Shah.
VIETNAM 1954 Nuclear threat French offered bombs to use against seige.
GUATEMALA 1954 Command operation, bombing, nuclear threat CIA directs exile invasion after new gov't nationalized U.S. company lands; bombers based in Nicaragua.
EGYPT 1956 Nuclear threat, troops Soviets told to keep out of Suez crisis; Marines evacuate foreigners.
LEBANON l958 Troops, naval Marine occupation against rebels.
IRAQ 1958 Nuclear threat Iraq warned against invading Kuwait.
CHINA l958 Nuclear threat China told not to move on Taiwan isles.
PANAMA 1958 Troops Flag protests erupt into confrontation.
VIETNAM l960-75 Troops, naval, bombing, nuclear threats Fought South Vietnam revolt & North Vietnam; one million killed in longest U.S. war; atomic bomb threats in l968 and l969.
CUBA l961 Command operation CIA-directed exile invasion fails.
GERMANY l961 Nuclear threat Alert during Berlin Wall crisis.
LAOS 1962 Command operation Military buildup during guerrilla war.
CUBA l962 Nuclear threat, naval Blockade during missile crisis; near-war with Soviet Union.
IRAQ 1963 Command operation CIA organizes coup that killed president, brings Ba'ath Party to power, and Saddam Hussein back from exile to be head of the secret service.
PANAMA l964 Troops Panamanians shot for urging canal's return.
INDONESIA l965 Command operation Million killed in CIA-assisted army coup.
DOMINICAN REPUBLIC 1965-66 Troops, bombing Marines land during election campaign.
GUATEMALA l966-67 Command operation Green Berets intervene against rebels.
DETROIT l967 Troops Army battles African Americans, 43 killed.
UNITED STATES l968 Troops After King is shot; over 21,000 soldiers in cities.
CAMBODIA l969-75 Bombing, troops, naval Up to 2 million killed in decade of bombing, starvation, and political chaos.
OMAN l970 Command operation U.S. directs Iranian marine invasion.
LAOS l971-73 Command operation, bombing U.S. directs South Vietnamese invasion; "carpet-bombs" countryside.
SOUTH DAKOTA l973 Command operation Army directs Wounded Knee siege of Lakotas.
MIDEAST 1973 Nuclear threat World-wide alert during Mideast War.
CHILE 1973 Command operation CIA-backed coup ousts elected marxist president.
CAMBODIA l975 Troops, bombing Gas captured ship, 28 die in copter crash.
ANGOLA l976-92 Command operation CIA assists South African-backed rebels.
IRAN l980 Troops, nuclear threat, aborted bombing Raid to rescue Embassy hostages; 8 troops die in copter-plane crash. Soviets warned not to get involved in revolution.
LIBYA l981 Naval jets Two Libyan jets shot down in maneuvers.
EL SALVADOR l981-92 Command operation, troops Advisors, overflights aid anti-rebel war, soldiers briefly involved in hostage clash.
NICARAGUA l981-90 Command operation, naval CIA directs exile (Contra) invasions, plants harbor mines against revolution.
LEBANON l982-84 Naval, bombing, troops Marines expel PLO and back Phalangists, Navy bombs and shells Muslim positions.
GRENADA l983-84 Troops, bombing Invasion four years after revolution.
HONDURAS l983-89 Troops Maneuvers help build bases near borders.
IRAN l984 Jets Two Iranian jets shot down over Persian Gulf.
LIBYA l986 Bombing, naval Air strikes to topple nationalist gov't.

IRAN l987-88 Naval, bombing US intervenes on side of Iraq in war.
LIBYA 1989 Naval jets Two Libyan jets shot down.
VIRGIN ISLANDS 1989 Troops St. Croix Black unrest after storm.
PHILIPPINES 1989 Jets Air cover provided for government against coup.
PANAMA 1989 (-?) Troops, bombing Nationalist government ousted by 27,000 soldiers, leaders arrested, 2000+ killed.
LIBERIA 1990 Troops Foreigners evacuated during civil war.
SAUDI ARABIA 1990-91 Troops, jets Iraq countered after invading Kuwait. 540,000 troops also stationed in Oman, Qatar, Bahrain, UAE, Israel.
IRAQ 1990-91 Bombing, troops, naval Blockade of Iraqi and Jordanian ports, air strikes; 200,000+ killed in invasion of Iraq and Kuwait; large-scale destruction of Iraqi military.
KUWAIT 1991 Naval, bombing, troops Kuwait royal family returned to throne.
IRAQ 1991-2003 Bombing, naval No-fly zone over Kurdish north, Shiite south; constant air strikes and naval-enforced economic sanctions
LOS ANGELES 1992 Troops Army, Marines deployed against anti-police uprising.
SOMALIA 1992-94 Troops, naval, bombing U.S.-led United Nations occupation during civil war; raids against one Mogadishu faction.
YUGOSLAVIA 1992-94 Naval NATO blockade of Serbia and Montenegro.
BOSNIA 1993-? Jets, bombing No-fly zone patrolled in civil war; downed jets, bombed Serbs.
HAITI 1994 Troops, naval Blockade against military government; troops restore President Aristide to office three years after coup.
ZAIRE (CONGO) 1996-97 Troops Marines at Rwandan Hutu refugee camps, in area where Congo revolution begins.
LIBERIA 1997 Troops Soldiers under fire during evacuation of foreigners.
ALBANIA 1997 Troops Soldiers under fire during evacuation of foreigners.
SUDAN 1998 Missiles Attack on pharmaceutical plant alleged to be "terrorist" nerve gas plant.
AFGHANISTAN 1998 Missiles Attack on former CIA training camps used by Islamic fundamentalist groups alleged to have attacked embassies.
IRAQ 1998 Bombing, Missiles Four days of intensive air strikes after weapons inspectors allege Iraqi obstructions.
YUGOSLAVIA 1999 Bombing, Missiles Heavy NATO air strikes after Serbia declines to withdraw from Kosovo. NATO occupation of Kosovo.
YEMEN 2000 Naval USS Cole, docked in Aden, bombed.
MACEDONIA 2001 Troops NATO forces deployed to move and disarm Albanian rebels.
UNITED STATES 2001 Jets, naval Reaction to hijacker attacks on New York, DC
AFGHANISTAN 2001-? Troops, bombing, missiles Massive U.S. mobilization to overthrow Taliban, hunt Al Qaeda fighters, install Karzai regime, and battle Taliban insurgency. More than 30,000 U.S. troops and numerous private security contractors carry our occupation.
YEMEN 2002 Missiles Predator drone missile attack on Al Qaeda, including a US citizen.
PHILIPPINES 2002-? Troops, naval Training mission for Philippine military fighting Abu Sayyaf rebels evolves into combat missions in Sulu Archipelago, west of Mindanao.
COLOMBIA 2003-? Troops US special forces sent to rebel zone to back up Colombian military protecting oil pipeline.
IRAQ 2003-? Troops, naval, bombing, missiles Saddam regime toppled in Baghdad. More than 250,000 U.S. personnel participate in invasion. US and UK forces occupy country and battle Sunni and Shi'ite insurgencies. More than 160,000 troops and numerous private contractors carry out occupation and build large permanent bases.
LIBERIA 2003 Troops Brief involvement in peacekeeping force as rebels drove out leader.
HAITI 2004-05 Troops, naval Marines land after right-wing rebels oust elected President Aristide, who was advised to leave by Washington.
PAKISTAN 2005-? Missiles, bombing, covert operation CIA missile and air strikes and Special Forces raids on alleged Al Qaeda and Taliban refuge villages kill multiple civilians. Drone attacks also on Pakistani Mehsud network.
SOMALIA 2006-? Missiles, naval, covert operation Special Forces advise Ethiopian invasion that topples Islamist government; AC-130 strikes and Cruise missile attacks against Islamist rebels; naval blockade against "pirates" and insurgents.
SYRIA 2008 Troops Special Forces in helicopter raid 5 miles from Iraq kill 8 Syrian civilians
YEMEN 2009 Missiles Cruise missile attack on Al Qaeda kills 49 civilians.

Hope fully that should go some way to explaining it - and this does not include secret, illegal, covert sponsorships.

The US has also assisted most of the worlds most despotic tyrants - including Hitler, but more recently Noriega, Pinochet and many more of the ilk.

US foreign policy is directly aimed at assisting the opening of markets for privatisation and resource acquisition - with democracy and peace almost always being the victim.

Even something as mundane as Intellectual Property rights enforcement by the US led to them forcing India to desist supply generic aids drugs to Africa resulting in the deaths of tends of millions of people - purely for US profit. Nothing else - millions dead for profit - waaaay more than Hitler killed in his death camps.

Anything else you want to know ?

You are right thought - the planet as a collective hates the US to the very core - the fact you wonder why is part of the reason.

Oh - and as far as Germany starting both wars - they did not START the first world war - they were attacked building a pipeline to the middle east for oil - the Brits would not stand it and attacked - the assassination of the Duke Franz Ferdinand is the biggest steaming pile of BS I have ever heard,
Why dont as a little exercise look up WHY the first world war started - and you will get that reply - millions upon million dead for one assassination - i think not my friend.

Originally posted by redseal
Seems odd to me that their are so many USA haters on here... I mean for fooks sake when did the USA ever kill a few million jews?

Are you aware some wealthy Americans helped enable Hitlers war machine which did kill millions, not only jews, but millions of others across Europe?

Why are we not just full blown chastizing germany?? does time heal all wounds?

Because Germany has paid war reparations in full and in part to all countries it attacked. It also doesn't go around the world invading countries today. It's a different Germany, were Nazism is banned. Understand?
Why would you as an American chastisize Germany over WW2? It was NAZI scientists which helped advance American weapons programs. Be thankful or you wouldn't be the world super power today without them.

and if so why isnt the USA who wasnt the last nor the inventor of slavery ever cut some slack??? Why dont we ever hear about the africans who sold their own into slavery??

Maybe it's an American thing, but most people who received at least a high school education seem to understand slavery wasn't invented by America...

Seems so easy just to blame the red white and blue for everything when in fact you me and he would speaking german with out them.

Which red white and blue? France? Australia? New Zealand? UK?
Oh so the world would be German today if it wasn't for America?
Australia would actually be speaking Japanese, but brave ANZAC soldiers from Australia & NZ fought the Japanese imperial forces with everything they had and won. Sure there was help from America..but the bulk of the fighting was done by ANZACS.
Your ignorance and arrogance is astounding. And if you weren't so ignorant you would see it's your arrogance which leads to America-bashing.

Germany started 2 world wars, and the USA cleaned up the clutter, yet it is us who get the bulk of your crap... no Hitler ever came from the USA....

I disagree. The USA has had many mini-Hitlers. All of which have started brutal and costly wars in other countries across the world, killing millions of innocent people.
The USA has also supported many dictators, and in fact in many cases it has been responsible for bringing them into power. Add millions more to the death count as a result.

Seems wierd to me that Germany just gets a free pass on all of this racial clensing stuff.

Germany didn't get a free pass. It was occupied by Allied forces, and still has forces from those same allied countries occupying military bases on German soil, the biggest contingent of which is American.
Germany also paid reparations to countries, some in full some in part.
Germany is also reminded constantly of it's past with Holocaust memorials.

F the USA right, I always wanted to speak German anyway!!!!!!!!!!

Bad USA, Good Germany starters of 2 world wars....

What the FCK ever!!!!!!!!!!!

And then they wonder why the majority of the world looks down upon them.

reply to post by redseal


Not only that, Germany picked a fight with a bolshevik regime led by, you guessed it, jews. A murderous group, just raw power. If you believe in God, you're dead. Dispute authority? Dead. Christian? Dead. Where's your messiah now, comrade? Dead. Even their own, killed for believing in a power higher than the power the bolsheviks became accustomed to having, in just a matter of minutes, once they were in control. I guess you don't see it.

Looks like the Germans really hated them. Hey, I know, let's just wake up one day and start a war, a war against the world. Nothing better to do. I don't suppose you've considered the real threat Russia was to the world? It's possible that if we didn't beat Germany, we'd all be speaking...like we are today? In fear? Knowing this won't be allowed in the future if we don't do something now? How many did Stalin kill? Estimates appear to swing wildly above anything Hitler did. 40-60 million Christians killed but never mentioned. You're an anti-semite, OP, if you bring this up, so be careful not to repeat any of this.

There was much more to the war you mention than meets the eye. The Germans were screwed at the end of ww1, and the tale you're hearing about the cause is simply the victor's version. That's not truth, and it's far from wisdom. I know of no other way to say this, but perhaps we fought against the wrong side.

reply to post by davidmann


Doesn't matter who the US fought against.
The end result would have still been the defacto global corporate-capatalist empire/tyrany/slave labour in the developing world that we have today, just in a different form with a different name.

Sure Stalin was a mass murderer too, on a bigger scale then Hitler, and don't worry the attrocities aren't lost on me considering my family had to first flee the Black Sea coast of northern Turkey(aka Pontus, a place my people called home for over 3,000 years) to survive the genocide, and then settled in Russia where they were later driven out again from another home this time by Stalin. Of course these are the genocides and ethnic cleansings which aren't cool to talk about because most people don't know about them.

But anyway, perhaps if the USA had fought on Germany's side and they had won the war, we would already have the mark of the beast, be in a totally cashless society, with big brother monitoring everything including our thoughts and behavioral patterns.

Wow, you know, for the most part, I like Americans, the ones I am friends with are real nice people and don't like to kiss their own bums.

ARE YOU SERIOUS! I'm almost certain Serbia sparked WW1, I could be wrong about that, but regardless, Germany was left smashed by the end of it, bankrupt, struggling to survive. When things started to get better they secretly built up their military forces under the rule of Adolf Bush, ahem, sorry, Hitler, and he wanted territory back, and it went from there. He conqured most of Europe and couldn't break Britain, British Forces had pretty much beaten the Italians and Germans in North Africa before the US had recovered from Pearl Harbor. The USSR had got the upper hand at Stalingrad, So it brought the European conflict almost to a close.

Yes America did get a lot of supplies through, but they were quite busy at that point plotting the strategic genocide of tens of thousands of Japanese civilians by dropping a couple of nasty devices on their noggins. (OK granted it, brought that part of the conflict to a swift end).

The USA DID NOT take a leading role on the European front, although i'm sure assistance was helpful, they were needed more in the Pacific.

The simple fact is, when it came to it, all the Allies all pulled together as a team in their respective roles, sure the was might have taken longer without the USAs help, but no way did they play the leading role. I would like to say, ON THE EUROPE FRONT it was the British Commonwealth, then the Russians not far behind, then the USA, but I will be accused of basing that notion on my patriotism, and not simple facts.



EDIT: Just to say, Germany is actually now quite a nice country (although a tad odd), and I think it is safe to say that they have learned from the mistakes of the past.

Also for the record, I don't hate the people of America, I don't think very highly of the arrogant, "we are the best, we do everything in this world" ones amongst you, and you know what, there are people like that here in Britain too, in fact probably in most of the countries of the world, get over yourselves, otherwise we may just get WWIII.

Peace can only be achieved when everyone starts respecting each other.

[edit on 6/8/10 by woogleuk]

reply to post by Aristophrenia


Nice list, but you missed a few. The War of 1812 comes to mind www.kingsown.net...

And the Civil War, where we kicked our own asses! www.historyplace.com...