Originally posted by babybunnies
For those of you who say enough is enough and to end outsourcing completely, I hope you enjoy paying WAY more for your products than you currently
Your $699 HDTV that is Made in China would likely cost in the THOUSANDS if it was made in the United States, thanks to the huge difference between
paying a worker in China, India, Pakistan, Phillipines, Indonesia, etc vs a worker in the USA.
And end to outsourcing would also mean an end to cheap, mass produced consumer products.
This is true and not true in at the same time. The working class could make a living in their manufacturing jobs, it was hard it took time but the
quality of life was good.
We save nothing by having those products made offshore at all the corporations do. Even when the first jobs went offshore the prices did not come down
and if they did it was only marginally. It was a scam to make corporations more money period. the savings the corporations received did not result in
lower prices they resulted in corporate profits increasing.
There was once a man that changed America by proving that if you treated and paid your labor well, while the corporation took in an honest profit the
country as a whole would benefit. I like to call it the maximum sustainable profit, it perpetuates itself by keeping the fountain of money flowing
from one pool to the next. It isn't flashy, it isn't get rich quick, it is however healthy and stable.
What we have now is a bunch of corporations that are only after the maximum amount of profit possibly attainable. It is unsustainable because the pool
at the top keeps getting larger and larger effectively causing the pools below it to dry up until there is nothing left.
Do working Americans demand higher wages than other places? Certainly, but if you give them a livable wage and reasonable benefits they will for the
most part be satisfied. Everyone wants to make more money its the nature of the beast, and in part the unions caused a substantial portion of this
mess by taking valid points of concern and taking them way too far.
Corporations can whine and complain our environmental standards are to high, and in some cases they are probably right, but they wouldn't have to be
so high if they could be trusted to do the responsible thing instead of cutting corners at every chance. All the money in the world wont do you a bit
of good if it becomes inhabitable because you were busy getting all you could without considering the impact your actions would have.
They can complain that our safety standards are too high. Yeah because somehow the few dollars you saved were somehow worth someone else's health,
limbs or God forbid life. But that's profit baby. Why not save them the trouble and start sawing our limbs off before we get the job that way they do
not have to worry about it?
They can whine and complain that Americans want too much money, but the truth is for the most part they just want to make a decent livable wage. They
want to know that if they put in years of hard work and dedicate themselves to their job, it isn't going to close its doors send their jobs away a
few short years before they can finally retire, leaving them in the cold, too old and too many bills that a stable income caused them to take on to
start all over again. No one is going to want to hire the guys that were about to retire at a wage they can afford to take.
We were told NAFTA would bring Mexican corporations here to manufacture their goods, but how could they possibly do so? Even with the incentives the
Mexican Government could give to encourage them to do so they could never pay the American worker a living wage because the disparity in the standards
of living between the two nations. We do not have these issues with Canada because the two share a relatively similar standard of life.
It is the same with every other nation we have established trade agreements with over the last 20 years. Ever wonder why we keep making them with the
Third World when clearly it is proven they never work out to our benefit at all? It is all about making those profit margins as wide as they possibly
can. The only Americans that benefit from these agreements are the ones at the top, and now they are starting to get nervous because even they know it
is not sustainable.
And yes while we may not get the cheapest price, at this point it is time we realize that the cheapest price possible is not always the best thing and
have to start looking at what is the fair price, what is the fair amount of profit and what is the fair wage to manufacture the product. There is a
difference and this country once understood this, we once prospered from knowing it.
People could afford to buy T.V.'s, Refrigerators, Stoves, Washers and Dryers. Before they shipped our jobs off, yet somehow you expect us to believe
that if we were to get our manufacturing back that all of a sudden everything would cost too much? You are probably right but that has less to do with
the workers demands and more to do with the greed of those that call the shots. Do not get me wrong the guys at the top should be making more than
those under them, but it should not be anywhere as near disproportionate as it is now.
[edit on 8/10/2010 by Jovi1]