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God Doesn't Have a Religion

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posted on Aug, 30 2010 @ 08:57 AM
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Originally posted by Mary Rose
Because there is both good and evil in this world and evidently beyond this world (other planets) and among humans and non-humans (assuming there are aliens/ETs/interdimensionals), I've started to feel it more meaningful to think of God/God-Mind in a more neutral way - that It is simply pure energy that binds everything.

I think for humans, God is Love makes sense. But there are other species besides humans.


I have been thinking again about this today.

I used to think to myself, "God is love."

But now I think that in addition to the Creator not having a religion, that It is not only love. Love is one expression of pure energy. But so is hate and evil, in general. (And sarcasm.)

Also, other beings besides humans come from the pure energy of the Creator.

This different mindset for the concept of the Creator rings true for me. But it's not something to be proven or disproven. It's something that either rings true or it doesn't.




posted on Aug, 30 2010 @ 09:08 AM
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Thanks for your response.


They vary. I've seen and spoke with actual "spirit" beings. I've had premonitions that came through (one 30 years later). But mostly I'm an Energy Empath.


What do they look like in your minds eye, what do they sound like? Are they not just your own phycee responding? I'm not accusing you of being schizophrenic or anything.


I suppose some people would use the term Psychic. But most people don't really get the concept of what that means. They thing it only means Predicting the future. Something I do not do.


When do they talk to you? In dreams? lucid dreams? or throughout the day? Is it voluntary or can you not help them talking/communicating? Have they explained who they are and where they are from?


If you are born with musical ability - - how do you understand tone deaf? Or explain how you hear tones to someone who can't?


I've always wondered, as a Musician, if there's more, more tunes, tones, notes, if there were different realities, or if my ear had been designed differently would i experience more, or something different.

And i totally understand what you are saying here, but forgive me for being skeptic as i have a bias based on my own understanding and experiences in life, which, granted, are much shorter than yours! and i don't seem to have noticed any apparent ability of telepathy.


As a child I thought everyone was like me. I thought they could read minds - communicate by thought - and fly around the Heavens at night. No wonder they thought I was weird.


But if you can communicate by thought, did you notice any one else who could? Was the telepathy ever reciprical with any friends or family? The off planet beings - What would they talk about/discuss? Secondally, do you think you have been "implanted" in order to give you the ability to be telepathic, some advanced artifical-biological device?


It was very difficult. And remember this was back in the early 50s. At age 9 I wanted to commit suicide.


That's awful, i feel for you. It must be amazing to be able to voice your opinion and let it all out to people who are interested and not ridiculing


As said Energy Empath - - I can only describe it as absorbing communication.


Could you describe the process, like how it would normally come about.


Zeitgeist was mentioned. That is more like the type of world I understood. Like a type of world I had already lived in. Things and beliefs that are coming about now - - are things I knew in my thoughts as a child.


Depends what Zeitgeist you believed in when you were little though, the Zeitgeist of humans is always changing, and like i mentioned before, with the birth of the internet (and separation of church and state), the zeitgeist is slowly changing to a more liberal, concious state, more questions are being asked....

..... which is beginnning to take us into the future, hopefully con-joining with science and adbandoning our infant ideologies such as war, religion, slavery, racism and our zeitgeist in the mind will hopefully soon reflect in reality. That's my personal opinion and thoughts on the future.


However - Real isn't exactly Real - - as everything is a energy created illusion.


I see what you're saying here, but it's as real as i'm real, talking to you on this forum, i could see the colour blue as the colour yellow, but i am still here interacting and talking with you, that's real enough for me.

I think science has done a pretty good job of figuring out some of the laws and working out essences of this illusion we call reality, and we can only invest in it more to gain more knowledge.

Things such as Ghosts, Phycics, Mediums, Palm Reading, Tarrat Cards - science still cannot prove and can only speculate over, but it can certainly look at the techniques used and show that people COULD be decieving other people, telling them lies, making things up, cold reading etc.

And i am not accusing you of this with your telepathy, i just want to learn more about it.


Confusing isn't it? Try understanding it at 5 years old.


Indeed! What's more confusing is life itself, this reality, this universe.



posted on Aug, 30 2010 @ 09:10 AM
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Originally posted by awake_and_aware
. . . i just want to learn more about it.


I love that kind of talk!



posted on Aug, 30 2010 @ 09:13 AM
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Originally posted by Mary Rose

Originally posted by Mary Rose
Because there is both good and evil in this world and evidently beyond this world (other planets) and among humans and non-humans (assuming there are aliens/ETs/interdimensionals), I've started to feel it more meaningful to think of God/God-Mind in a more neutral way - that It is simply pure energy that binds everything.

I think for humans, God is Love makes sense. But there are other species besides humans.


I have been thinking again about this today.

I used to think to myself, "God is love."

But now I think that in addition to the Creator not having a religion, that It is not only love. Love is one expression of pure energy. But so is hate and evil, in general. (And sarcasm.)

Also, other beings besides humans come from the pure energy of the Creator.

This different mindset for the concept of the Creator rings true for me. But it's not something to be proven or disproven. It's something that either rings true or it doesn't.


I totally get what your saying here.

I think this has a lot to do with science and not the word "GOD". Scientists, including Einstein have been looking for the grand-unifying theory of Physics, a theory that would explain the big-bang, the creation of stars and gallaxies, the laws of light etc, also human concsioussness. It would also explain general relativity and quantam theory at the same time.

I think, if there is such a thing as the grand-unifying theory, the theory of EVERYTHING, this is what i would define as "GOD" - I'd try not to call it this, espcially in this day and age, as people would over attribute it, or personify it.

But it does seem there must be a source, or a energy that is binding everything together, making things work. I'm not sure how to describe it, i'm not even sure if it can be described.

Like your comments though.

Peace

[edit on 30/8/10 by awake_and_aware]



posted on Aug, 30 2010 @ 09:15 AM
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Me too



posted on Aug, 30 2010 @ 09:24 AM
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Where did you get that emoticon from!!??



posted on Aug, 30 2010 @ 10:07 AM
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www.proofthatgodexists.org...

awakeandaware see this with honesty.
proof at last for you that God exists.



posted on Aug, 30 2010 @ 10:59 AM
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One thing I've learned from this thread is that "Creator" is a better word than "God" or "God-Mind." It seems that the word "God" cannot be separated from "religion."

So I feel comfortable with the word "Creator."

And I like thinking about the energy that creates and the things created. It's exciting. And we'll never run out of things to learn about It.

I believe we all have energy within and available to us that is stored and waiting for us to give it the time of day.



posted on Aug, 30 2010 @ 11:19 AM
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Originally posted by Mary Rose
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One thing I've learned from this thread is that "Creator" is a better word than "God" or "God-Mind." It seems that the word "God" cannot be separated from "religion."

So I feel comfortable with the word "Creator."

And I like thinking about the energy that creates and the things created. It's exciting. And we'll never run out of things to learn about It.

I believe we all have energy within and available to us that is stored and waiting for us to give it the time of day.


I agree with you to the extent that it seems that people think the word "GOD" is mutually exclusive with religion.

Myself, I still have a problem with "creator" or "designer" as if personifying it as an entity. And the word Creator used in this context springs the question "What created the creator?" "And what created the creator of the creator?" It's an inifinite regression.

Here's a really smart video, in some ways it shows the universe/reality being based pure mathematics, order amonst the chaos of the universe:-

www.youtube.com...



posted on Aug, 30 2010 @ 11:49 AM
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Originally posted by awake_and_aware
I agree with you to the extent that it seems that people think the word "GOD" is mutually exclusive with religion.


But I was saying "God" is almost synonymous with "religion," so I'm confused about what you mean here.


Originally posted by awake_and_aware
Myself, I still have a problem with "creator" or "designer" as if personifying it as an entity.


How about "Source"? Maybe that would be less personification.


Originally posted by awake_and_aware
And the word Creator used in this context springs the question "What created the creator?" "And what created the creator of the creator?" It's an inifinite regression.


This is true.

I think the question is a riddle for which we cannot prove an answer. We can only surmise.



posted on Aug, 30 2010 @ 01:34 PM
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How about "Source"? Maybe that would be less personification.


Originally posted by awake_and_aware
And the word Creator used in this context springs the question "What created the creator?" "And what created the creator of the creator?" It's an inifinite regression.



This is true.

I think the question is a riddle for which we cannot prove an answer. We can only surmise.


Cars were created
and their existence
does not go back
into the past for infinity.

At least not in my mind they dont.



posted on Aug, 30 2010 @ 01:42 PM
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Originally posted by awake_and_aware


Ok - let me try. Hey - no worries - I'm not schizo
- - I'm way to straight forward and logical for that. No embellishment - no fancy words - no "hippie flowers" - just my experience as I experienced it.

Just know I RARELY do this - - Respond (answer) Point by Point. Lucky You

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What do they look like in your minds eye, what do they sound like? Are they not just your own psychy responding?


When I was 5/6 I was having an OBE (something I did most every night). But this particular time - I was in the Gray Place. A very tall man with angular features - long gray hair - and a white hooded robe appeared. He told me - it was confusing me living in two worlds. Both the Spirit World and the Physical Earth World. He "grounded me". He told me I had to stay in/on physical Earth. There seemed to be some sort of veil put over me then. I could remember this one incident - - but everything else was as if it was behind a curtain (or veil).

I remember vividly sliding up my bedroom wall at night - - concerned about hitting my head on the ceiling - - but then the ceiling just disappeared and I was flying above my neighborhood. I could see my playmates asleep in their beds - - cuz there were no roofs on their houses. I remember sliding up my bedroom wall so vividly because of the wall paper. It was like vertical stripes - only every other stripe was flowers. These flowers looked like lilies. Each one had 2 dots that looked like eyes. It used to creep me out. But I remember these eyes watching me as I went up.

I clearly remember the Gray place. The only thing I can think to relate it to would be a mother's womb. It was like a squishy cloud - and very dense. It almost looked like on Sci-Fi shows where they show that rolling smoke.

This place was Love - - all encompassing unconditional pure love. There is no other experience on earth like it. The closest would be a mothers love for her child. How does one cope on earth after experiencing such purity?

The one other thing I remember is I could hear voices. Millions of voices - like I was connected to the Matrix switchboard. And I could hear each individually. Quite a trick - don't ya think?


When do they talk to you? In dreams? lucid dreams? or throughout the day? Is it voluntary or can you not help them talking/communicating? Have they explained who they are and where they are from?


Its like I have a headset on - - all the time. It’s constant. I do not get clear pictures since the grounding and the veil. I feel presence. It gets stronger when I’m going through some kind of drama or angst. There feels like 3 main guides. Sometimes more.


But if you can communicate by thought, did you notice any one else who could? Was the telepathy ever reciprocal with any friends or family? The off planet beings - What would they talk about/discuss? Secondly, do you think you have been "implanted" in order to give you the ability to be telepathic, some advanced artificial-biological device?


My communication – which is energy “feeling” – seems to be primarily between my guides and myself. I have tried to read other people’s minds – but I can not. I can read their energy – which is different. I do not think I have been implanted or abducted.

What do they discuss? My sole purpose seems to be as a support system. I am a teacher (not so much a teacher as in instructor - - but supporter – getting people to see themselves). I’ve tried to attend some New Age type classes – but they always block me. They say – I am only to listen to them - - not man. They are very concerned about false prophets.

My whole life seems to be Service to Others (or support). When I say “you have to be strong in yourself first” - - before you can be Service to Others - - I know what I’m talking about.

I do not know who they are – I have not asked. I feel they are positive. Possibly Light Beings.

After 64+ years - - I don’t argue with them anymore – or try to do my own thing. They are always right.


[Depends what Zeitgeist you believed in when you were little though, the Zeitgeist of humans is always changing, and like i mentioned before, with the birth of the internet (and separation of church and state), the zeitgeist is slowly changing to a more liberal, conscious state, more questions are being asked....

..... which is beginning to take us into the future, hopefully con-joining with science and abandoning our infant ideologies such as war, religion, slavery, racism and our Zeitgeist in the mind will hopefully soon reflect in reality. That's my personal opinion and thoughts on the future.


Zeitgeist - - as in a planned society. A type of Futurist Socialism (anything can be done right or wrong). Fear of One World Government is rampant. But – it is the only logical direction to go. They seem to support that direction.

Peacekeepers instead of militants. No religion in government. Service and Charity more in the private sector assisted by government programs – rather then through churches. Diminishing power of churches. More logic – more science.


I think science has done a pretty good job of figuring out some of the laws and working out essences of this illusion we call reality, and we can only invest in it more to gain more knowledge.


Always remember science is based on KNOWN knowledge.

Well - that answers some of it.



posted on Aug, 30 2010 @ 02:20 PM
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Please do me a favor and use the "Quote" function when you're quoting.



posted on Aug, 30 2010 @ 03:09 PM
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Thanks very much for taking the time to respond, i do feel lucky! Sorry if some questions were repeated or convoluted in my last post.

I have to say i am amazed at what you have said, it is very interesting some of the details you mentioned, it almost seems like a dream like state; especially when you mentioned the gray area with that feeling of pure love.

You have to forgive me for being skeptical though, i think humans have this skeptism built in, which marries in with what you said about science being at the edge of the known, you have to treat new and emerging theories with skeptisism, theories are almost always overwritten in science due to new evidence/data and that initial curiousity providing the reason to prove it wrong.

For instance, just because we don't have the ability to travel from gallaxy to gallaxy doesn't mean other life within the universe hasn't - Maybe they have bypassed or proved our theory of relativity wrong.

Again, apologies for my lack of belief, this does seem in the area of unfalsifiable hypothesis, we can't prove or disprove it, like if i was to say "i can fly, but only when no-one is looking."

But for some reason, i have faith in your word of your experiences, you seem honest - Do you think there are any testable means to prove your telepathy or connection with "Spirit World".

Do these powers/skills have any affect on your thoughts of afterlife?

Have you had any N.D.E.s, do you believe you have been abducted?


Fear of One World Government is rampant. But – it is the only logical direction to go. They seem to support that direction.


Do you fear it? What do you think about this "NWO" being preached by power pupeteers and puppets such as Bush and Gordon Brown and others - Do you support this One World Goverment? I think there are a million different ways to approach a problem, i like what Jacque Fresco has to say, i love his blueprints and ideas regarding the "Venus" Project.

Sorry if i have gone off topic, if it's ok by you to send you a few U2Us i will rather than hog up post space.

Peace
A&A

[edit on 30/8/10 by awake_and_aware]



posted on Aug, 30 2010 @ 03:32 PM
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Originally posted by awake_and_aware

You have to forgive me for being skeptical though, i think humans have this skepticism built in, which marries in with what you said about science being at the edge of the known, you have to treat new and emerging theories with skepticism, theories are almost always overwritten in science due to new evidence/data and that initial curiosity providing the reason to prove it wrong.



No problem. I tend to be very skeptical when many speak about these things.

So much comes out of books - from man - as my guides warn.

I really do the "wonky eye roll" - when they start getting all "Airy Fairy".

Not that I don't think there couldn't be other worlds/vibrations/dimensions - with fairies and unicorns - because I do. And its always possible vibrations might cross and some people can actually see such things.

But mostly I think it is imagination and wishful thinking.



posted on Aug, 30 2010 @ 03:34 PM
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But I was saying "God" is almost synonymous with "religion," so I'm confused about what you mean here.


Yeah apologies, i was attempting to agree but used the exact opposite! I meant inclusive rather that exclusive. Sorry!

I just don't like the word God, as God's are always personified, given human traits such as emotion; anger, jelousy, love.

I meant to say that the "Source" (which i like
) or the Energy that has merged this reality together is often personified and given emotions, how do you know it has emotions? Feelings? Requirements of how to live life? Why do we expect the creative force of the universe to object to how we live our lives, why do we assume it is a being.

I like the word "Source" though, even the word "Energy" as broad as that may be.


I think the question is a riddle for which we cannot prove an answer. We can only surmise.


I think so, for instance, we don't even know that reality or existance is or is not infinite. I know there is a "Big Bang" theory that describes the universe once being the size of a "pea" Which suggests there is a start and a finish..... but even with this theory it doesn't suggest an ultimate Start and a Finish to existence or causality.

Maybe our universe was born in a sea of verses, the multiverse, this theory is gaining more and more credibility in the scientific community. Maybe the universes compete against each other, and the most succsessful prosper. Multiversal evolution. This is, of course, is only speculation.

But it's a speculative view that casts away such prejiduce to say that there is only 1 true God, or "there is nothing outside of the universe" or "there was a beginning and an end, before the beginning, nothing happened" I won't buy these notions, nor should anyone with the nessasary conviction of evidence.

Maybe there just is a creative force, maybe there is no "source" as such, no ultimate beginning.

Again, these are possibilities, but these a possibilities that disallow me from claiming there is a Creator or a "GOD" - I'm agnostic in that sense.

But in a sense of man-made religion - i am completely atheist. and anti-theist.

Looking at the mandelbrot set, the fibonacci sequence, this possibility of inifite reality seems plausible, this possibility dissalows me from claiming there is a God.

Looking forward to your thoughts and comments.


[edit on 30/8/10 by awake_and_aware]



posted on Aug, 30 2010 @ 04:08 PM
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Originally posted by Annee
When I was 5/6 I was having an OBE (something I did most every night).


I think that it may be that we all leave our bodies at night when we sleep - and that some of us remember this and others, don't. Just like some of us remember our childhood and others remember very little or nothing about our childhood.

The fact that remote viewing exists is evidence of a consciousness that is portable, I believe.



posted on Aug, 30 2010 @ 04:12 PM
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Originally posted by awake_and_aware
I like the word "Source" though, even the word "Energy" as broad as that may be.


Also, maybe not capitalizing it would help.

Here's a sentence: "I believe the source of existence is pure energy."



posted on Aug, 30 2010 @ 04:21 PM
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Point taken! slap on the wrists for inproper use of grammar.



posted on Aug, 30 2010 @ 04:22 PM
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Originally posted by Mary Rose

Originally posted by Annee
When I was 5/6 I was having an OBE (something I did most every night).


I think that it may be that we all leave our bodies at night when we sleep - and that some of us remember this and others, don't. Just like some of us remember our childhood and others remember very little or nothing about our childhood.

The fact that remote viewing exists is evidence of a consciousness that is portable, I believe.


I agree. But see that's where KNOWING comes in.

I was connected and KNEW something was going on - - beyond physical.

I was AWAKE.



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