God Doesn't Have a Religion

reply to post by Mary Rose


This is a poor wording. If you cannot prove it, there is no discussion. It's hay say. You are asking for people to use their common sense on a matter that cannot be observed directly or indirectly.

You cannot do that.

Common sense and God are not compatible. Common sense dictates that because we are animals and flesh, we should die and be no more.

My Christian belief basically goes ahead and says God is not of common sense. God does not follow common sense. If he did, we'd all be dead.

If you wanted me to talk about God based on common sense, I'd have to take the Stargate view that there are creatures above us who don't care about us and are isolated from us and not able to be contacted.

Common sense dictates we come from dust and to dust we will return. Common sense dictates the universe dies and there is nothing god-like in it. Everything dies.

reply to post by Mary Rose


The problem is how to make sense out of Stewart and Janet's non-sensible theory? It make sense to you. It doesn't make sense to me.

reply to post by Mary Rose


Someone said that "common sense" is the second coming..

Originally posted by DCDAVECLARKE
Someone said that "common sense" is the second coming..

Can you elaborate a little bit?

Uses your head, definition of common sense?

# sound practical judgment; "Common sense is not so common"; "he hasn't got the sense God gave little green apples"; "fortunately she had the good sense to run away"
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# Common sense (or, when used attributively as an adjective, commonsense, common-sense, or commonsensical), based on a strict construction of the term, consists of what people in common would agree on: that which they "sense" as their common natural understanding. ...
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# Common Sense is a pamphlet written by Thomas Paine. It was first published anonymously on January 10, 1776, during the American Revolution. Common Sense, signed "Written by an Englishman", became an immediate success. ...
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# Common Sense, subtitled "A new constitution for Britain" is a book written by the English socialist politician Tony Benn and the journalist Andrew Hood.
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# Common Sense was a socialist magazine published in the United States between 1932 and 1946.
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# Common Sense is an American reggae and alternative rock band from Orange County, California. They are known for playing in the Mercury Mariner commercial. Since their formation in 1987, they have released five albums under their own label, Common Sense Records. ...
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# Common Sense is an album by American folk singer and songwriter John Prine, released in 1975.
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# In 2001, Umphrey's McGee founding member and keyboardist Joel Cummins released his first solo album in six years - the electronic keyboard-based Common Sense, which features Umphrey's McGee guitarist Jake Cinninger on drums for most tracks. ...
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# Lonnie Rashid Lynn, Jr. (born March 13, 1972), better known by his stage name Common (previously Common Sense), is an American rapper and actor.
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# Orphans of the Sky is a science fiction novel by Robert A. Heinlein, consisting of two parts: "Universe" (Astounding Science Fiction, May 1941) and its sequel, "Common Sense" (Astounding Science Fiction, October 1941). The two novellas were first published together in book form in 1963. ...
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# An internal sense, formerly believed to be the sense by which information from the other five senses is understood and interpreted; Ordinary sensible understanding; one's basic intelligence which allows for plain understanding and without which good decisions or judgments cannot be made
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# The presence of mind and general caution and concern that the law imputes to all persons, ie, sense everyone should have. Everyone owes a duty to use common sense. The breach of this duty may give rise to a cause of action.
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# Widely read pamphlet written by Thomas Paine and published in January 1776, which rejected monarchy and called for independence.
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# In postmodernism in general, common sense is considered a fiction created by those in power to convince the oppressed that ideology is simply the way things really are. See ideological effect, myth.
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[edit on 8-8-2010 by DCDAVECLARKE]

And what i mean by the second coming is "all" men equal with the true sense of the common good which is sadly missing now !

reply to post by DCDAVECLARKE


Wow!!

Thank you.

Originally posted by DCDAVECLARKE
And what i mean by the second coming is "all" men equal with the true sense of the common good which is sadly missing now !

Since “the second coming” means the return of Jesus Christ to earth – right? – I was wondering what you were saying.

How does Jesus Christ fit in to what you are saying?

Originally posted by Gorman91
reply to post by spy66

 

Nope. The universe is a machine. Not God. It's a timed device. It expands and then matter decays into light, and that light decays, eventually energy is so stretched out and calmed that it becomes space-time itself. Then the dark matter decays, expansion ceases, and the snaps back on itself to start a new.

God in this equation, if there is one, would be the one whp built the machine.

But like I said, that's not exactly true, considering the universe has no beginning and no end, it just grows and shrinks over and over again. It always is.

Like I showed in a video a ways back, the forces of the universe separated at timed intervals. For example, gravity waited until enough space had been created to activate. Otherwise the universe would just collapse into itself again.

[edit on 7-8-2010 by Gorman91]

You are right that every finite is expanding. But God is not a finite. God created finite.

Existence is a finite. But this finite must exist within the infinite no matter what it is or when it is. As long as it is a finite. Right?

Within the infinite, finite existence is as large as we perceive it. And that makes our opinion subjective.
To us humans, existence is viewed as wast in size. But viewed form Gods perspective, existence is quite small. Because we look outwards. God looks inwards from all directions.

God can observe the total expansion. We can not.





[edit on 27.06.08 by spy66]

reply to post by Mary Rose

Well the story go's the Nazarene was the sun of God an he talked a lot of common sense , so the second coming would be if the whole world understood what common sense is or stood for! well that makes sense to me even if it dosent make scense to you!

reply to post by DCDAVECLARKE


Now that I understand what you were saying, it does make sense to me.

The passages in the Bible about love for each other emanating from within us as opposed to making a show of holiness to be observed by others - makes a lot of sense to me - this is common sense.

Originally posted by DCDAVECLARKE
reply to post by Mary Rose

 

Well the story go's the Nazarene was the sun of God an he talked a lot of common sense , so the second coming would be if the whole world understood what common sense is or stood for! well that makes sense to me even if it dosent make scense to you!

I agree with you. God created us with common sense. That is why we have the Adam and Eve story in the Bible. That is why Adam and Eve had to be tricked into eating of the tree of knowledge. If the serpent hadn't lied to Adam and Eve, but told the truth. Eve would never have eaten from the tree. That would be common sense!

Common sense is what the serpent used to trick Eve with.

Genesis Chapter 3. verse 4:

And the serpent said unto the woman, Ye shall not surely die:

[edit on 27.06.08 by spy66]

reply to post by spy66


I did not say God was finite. I said this God chose finite existence if Jesus was God. But of course, trying to force the infinite into a finite existence is impossible, thus why Jesus came back.

What I am saying is that death is the natural order of things. Heaven is suppose to be infinite, right? I mean, it has to be in order to hold all those people. But that doesn't matter. Because in my faith, heaven dies too. Everything dies. And really, that makes sense. Because it just goes to show that death is the way of things, but it is not the end. It is just the point of transformation.

Originally posted by Gorman91
reply to post by spy66

 

I did not say God was finite. I said this God chose finite existence if Jesus was God. But of course, trying to force the infinite into a finite existence is impossible, thus why Jesus came back.

What I am saying is that death is the natural order of things. Heaven is suppose to be infinite, right? I mean, it has to be in order to hold all those people. But that doesn't matter. Because in my faith, heaven dies too. Everything dies. And really, that makes sense. Because it just goes to show that death is the way of things, but it is not the end. It is just the point of transformation.

Heaven is not infinite. Because God "created" the "heaven" and the earth.

Only one body "dimension" can be infinite.

So you are right, heaven is not infinite.


Death is not the end of things. The end is when heaven and earth becomes infinite. Which created heaven and earth in the first place.

God said: He will be with us until the end.

[edit on 27.06.08 by spy66]

reply to post by spy66


You can have two infinites. We know this based on current math. There was an infinite beyond the zero volume of the universe. We are expanding into an infinite with a kind of finite infinite universe.

These matters go beyond human comprehension and as Feynman once said, no one understand quantum mechanics.

For example, an area of space time is infinite at any location. it can be stretched for ever. It's actual value is finite, but it's potential volume is infinite. You can fit infinite amounts of universes in any given space of space time. But the space time is finite because it has a defined circumference. That is infinite within a finite.

Originally posted by Gorman91
reply to post by spy66

 

You can have two infinites. We know this based on current math. There was an infinite beyond the zero volume of the universe. We are expanding into an infinite with a kind of finite infinite universe.

These matters go beyond human comprehension and as Feynman once said, no one understand quantum mechanics.

For example, an area of space time is infinite at any location. it can be stretched for ever. It's actual value is finite, but it's potential volume is infinite. You can fit infinite amounts of universes in any given space of space time. But the space time is finite because it has a defined circumference. That is infinite within a finite.

You have misunderstood that part.


Mathematically there is no way we can measure the distance from the year 2010 to 0. At any location.

How would you solve this equation?

Total existence = what equation

There is no way we can take what we observe, and create a exact equation of how it was formed.

Here is a mathematical example of that.

You observe +4. And wants to know how it was formed.

Without knowing +4 was created by the equation -5 + 9.

My question to you is: How would you figure out that +4 was created by the equation -5 + 9 ????

reply to post by spy66


The +4 is a finite number created by an infinite amount of equations. However, both the numbers that created it have to be finite. We have finites existing in infinites, existing in finites.

How do we find those numbers? Well you chose pretty simple numbers, thus proving the Razor theory. We'd try out a few simple numbers until we got the right numbers.

When all else fails, guess and check.

Originally posted by Gorman91
reply to post by spy66

 

The +4 is a finite number created by an infinite amount of equations. However, both the numbers that created it have to be finite. We have finites existing in infinites, existing in finites.

How do we find those numbers? Well you chose pretty simple numbers, thus proving the Razor theory. We'd try out a few simple numbers until we got the right numbers.

When all else fails, guess and check.

Well you are getting there

But a finite can't be infinite. So there cant be a infinite number of finite to choose from. Right?

The truth about my equation is that you dont know how +4 was created.
Because there is no way you can see back in time.

+4 was formed by 14 elements. 5 negative and 9 positive. Within +4 you only see 4 positive elements.

You can make a guess and you can make a copy. But it will never by a true original.

This makes our math subjective to the actual creation.



[edit on 27.06.08 by spy66]

reply to post by Gorman91

That really just sounds like new age pseudo science on top of real science

All of your theories are completely contradictory and not endorsed by any sciencitific theory. You're the one talking pseudo-science.

the universe is chaos. There is no order. We are but sand in the waves. Waves have order, the sand does not.

Please Gorman, stop talking rubbish, stop contradicting yourself.

There is no order? but we get heirarchical structure of animals, we see fibonaci's spiral when we look about; down the plug hole, in a tornado, in a cup of tea, in a snails shell.

You even stated that the universe was a machine, that sounds like ultimate order to me.

The universe is chaos, but there is order amongst the chaos as we can clearly see on earth and looking at the images braught back by the Hubble telescope, that's a simple observation to make. No need to add a sprinkle of BULL to it.



[edit on 8/8/10 by awake_and_aware]

reply to post by spy66


Not really. We know how to go back in time, it just costs crap tones of money. We have done it with low level things. We also could just blow up the matter and scan the recipient parts in a collider.

There's a way to understand anything. The only thing I am going to say is an exception is quantum mechanics. Because with that, you CAN travel back in time to view something, and do pretty much whatever an electron feels like doing for the time you're chilling with it. You should watch these.

quantumiscool1.ytmnd.com...

quantamiscool2.ytmnd.com...

yqpic3.ytmnd.com...

wqpic4.ytmnd.com...

Spy66, Gorman91, and Awake and aware,

How does your discussion relate to whether or not God/God-Mind is found in organized religion?