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Originally posted by Aquarius1
reply to post by oozyism
They may have that ability already, they don't tell us everything as you know, as a matter a fact I think there are experiments that have been done on a quantum level that proves it can be done.
Originally posted by oozyism
Originally posted by Aquarius1
reply to post by oozyism
They may have that ability already, they don't tell us everything as you know, as a matter a fact I think there are experiments that have been done on a quantum level that proves it can be done.
Yes it has already been tested, but it is more than that, you can change the physical properties of things miles away.
This is like those vodoo dolls, when you move the arm, the person's arm moves etc.
Here how it looks, it looks like a wave to me.
Originally posted by sapien82
yeh KORG , by observing the electrons and their changes between orbits , we have altered their natural state !
The very act of observation of particles changes their natural state
that is mind boggling
so without human observation would the universe exist in any sense ?
Originally posted by badw0lf
If we could merely focus infinitely small enough to observe things at a quantum level, and leave those particles in the states they occur naturally in, we could see how they naturally act. But we need to interfere in order to 'see'. Much like sending out sonar to detect where the bottom of the ocean is.
Originally posted by spikey
reply to post by badw0lf
Doesn't the 'double slit' experiment go against what you say the effect of observation has on the quantum world?
Originally posted by badw0lf
Observation of the double slit experiment still interferes with the outcome when determining which slit the particles passed through.
Originally posted by Korg Trinity
I'm afraid this isn't correct. In quantum mechanics it is the recording of data that collapses the wave function and not the process.
This is a good example...
How do photon detectors work I hear you ask?
Well actually it's quite simple wrapped up in complicated technology. It has to do with the changing energy states of electrons, as a photon strikes a detector, the detector describes a single photon by recording the energy fluctuation an electron goes through from ground state to one that is ground + the energy of the photon.
So the premise we are interfering with the photon is correct, but... and it's a big but... The photon appears to act differently depending on whether we record the data or if we don't.
Or in other words a conscious observer absolutely IS required for a wave function to collapse.
Which brings us to what is Consciousness??.... The answer to that question I can relay but the real question should now be how far down the rabbit hole are you willing to go?
Korg.
Originally posted by Korg Trinity
Originally posted by badw0lf
Observation of the double slit experiment still interferes with the outcome when determining which slit the particles passed through.
That's the whole point of the double slit experiment. The particle doesn't go through one slit. It goes through both and no slits all at the same time.
This might give you a better understanding of the experiment.
Hope this helps,
All the best,
Korg.
Edit to put a better vid up
[edit on 6-8-2010 by Korg Trinity]
Originally posted by badw0lf
I have never heard of merely not recording data having an effect on the outcome. It is the point that detection has occurred, and to say recording the data affects the outcome is the same as saying putting a Geiger counter on Schrodinger's cats box instantly makes the cat alive.
I did try to look up some information on it myself, but every resource that even mentions this guys name and the claims he makes in the video are strewn with words like crackpot and 'no study has been done and the claim is completely wrong.'.