Originally posted by Jenisiz
IMHO...the video damaged their credibility...am I the only one that seems to realise that a majority of religous beliefs are altered versions of
Egyptian or Sumerian beliefs....that includes stories in the Torah, Bible...ect. To me if you want to find the "Truth"...study the ancients...not
peoples constant retellings of events. Try to get close to the source as possible. IMHO of course.
Granted, the Enuma Elish and other creation epochs approximate the dynamics of creation told in the book of Genesis.
When you understand the book from an Esoteric perspective, which i dont think you have done, than you can see decidedly different and irreconcilable
For isntance, the first words of the Torah are Beresheit Bara Elohim. I can relate these first 3 lines to the theogony of Hesiod. In hesiod,
Cronus(time) begets Zeus. They derived this belief from the first lines in the Torah. Bere# is reckoned a 'power' that created Elohim. Hence, the
source of the Greek view. And the Greeks derived their theology mainly from Babylon, but also from Egypt and India. Gaia was born from the primordial
chaos - which si also considered feminine. This feminine primordial chaos is tiamat in the Babylonian creation epoch.
The further on you go the more the traditional Hebraic creation epoch diverges from the pagan versions. For instance, This specifically begins to
occur in the story of Abraham - although their are intimations of this divergence in the story of Eve, Adam and the snake, Cain and Abel, Noach, Ham
and Canaan... But specifically with Abraham and Isaac and Jacob does this become more enunciated. Jacob and Esau were 'twins'. Esau who is described
as 'ruddy' symbolizes the evil inclination, which is born from the vector of Gevurah (restriction) upon entering this world a mans main desires are
animalistic and self centered. Though, at a certain age, around 13, (12 for a girl) man begins to develop an emotional intelligence. Prior to this
age, generally speaking, children imitate rather than truly understand from their own sensitivity whats morally right and whats morally wrong. Around
13, they recieve a 'higher' level of consciousness - this is Jacob - who is 'grasping at the ankle' of Esau (the evil inclination). Its at this
age that the good inclination begins to awake and SUBVERT the 'first born right' of Esau. Esau, the evil inclinatiom is simply interested in his
self, which is why he was persuaded to give up his brith right for a bowl of lentils. This initself alludes to the emotional haste that the animal
soul acts with. Eventually, Jacob uses his 'cunning' that is, his inherent ability to transcend limitations (the divine soul - source of the good
inclination) to not only utulize the strength (gevurah) of his animal soul, but he uses it for the sake of good when he goes to his father dressed as
Esau. Gevurah, Isaac, has naturally poor vision (being the source of constriction) and so cant determine who is who, but since Isaac symbolizes the
PURE faculty of Gevurah, whereas Esau represents the impure shell (the negative manifestation of the animal soul) he recognizes his hairy hands (that
is, the raw vtiality of the animal soul) are like Esaus, but his scent (that is, the source of his animal vitality) as very sweet. This narrative
implies the transmutation of teh raw vital energy to good, to holiness.
Now, compare this with Egyptian and babylonian versions. For one, the imagery of masutrbating and the world being formed is not a kosher image (this
is egyptian). Adn most of all, when you begin to study and understand the theology behind the garment of 'myth', you realize that almost all
religions share an inherent likeness, EXCEPT Judaism and the Hebrew Torah. In almost all cases, the babylonians, egyptians, Greeks and Hindus share a
fascination and allure with death. You see this in Greece with Aphrodite being born from the blood of Uranous' severed member, in Hinduism with both
Shiva and Kali, in Babylon, Ishtar and Tiamat. etc. And when you read certain key ancient authors like Lucien of Samasota you get a very real
depiction of how the pagans ''practiced' their religious beliefs. People seem painfully i gnorant of this. they think pagansim was all honky dorry,
they were just hated because the Jews became ascendent and than the christians/muslims (mind you, christianity is based on paganism - see gnosticism -
same thing with Sufism). Saturnalia, the ancient pagan festival which celebrated the 'death' of the sun, was actually a celebration of a mystical
principle - the archetype of evil. In the beginning of the festivities they would select one vile and despicable member of their community - procalim
he king of saturnalia, and through the 7 days stuff him with food and everyone would engage in ramapant sexuality. By the end of the festival, this
man who had been showered with delights of every coarse and improper nature, was than brutually murdered by the participants. His murder
'symbolized' the death of the evil principle which he had represented throughout its 7 days. On the 8th day, which symbolizes a 'transcendence' of
the 7 faculties of external existence, they kill him, symbolizing their collective ability to 'transcend' their own lower natures by recognizing the
'spirit' - 8, within even the most gross material actions.
Now this is pretty sick. you can go to Sacred-texts.com and read luciens description of it. This was practiced throughout the Roman world. Even in
Rome up to the 1800s the pope would often allow the residents of Rome to celebrate 'christmas' in this fashion. It also became popular and a yearly
custom to gather the Jews of the Roman ghettos, dress them up like clowns (in an early period they stipped them naked) and had them run throughout the
streets of Rome to the great amusment of Romans and the pope and his bishops alike.
Good ol' pagandom and their love affair with chaos - the 'creative' principle (Read Wotan - CG Jung). How much they lie. Christianity is one big