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NKorea deploys anti-aircraft missiles as wargame tensions mount

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posted on Aug, 4 2010 @ 09:07 PM
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NKorea deploys anti-aircraft missiles as wargame tensions mount


www.spacedaily.com

North Korea moved long-range anti-aircraft missiles close to the border with South Korea as tensions rose over the sinking of one of Seoul's warships, a newspaper reported Wednesday.

Chosun Ilbo quoted a military source as saying the North moved some SA-5 missiles from the southwestern province of Hwanghae to areas near the border, where they pose a potential threat to South Korean jets.
(visit the link for the full news article)




posted on Aug, 4 2010 @ 09:07 PM
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The SA-5 missiles are not that advanced, but they can still pose a threat.

And this is the first time in a long time that North Korea has actually DONE SOMETHING, not just said things... this is kinda scary.

The new exercises have just begun, and they are taking place just on the border with North Korea, in the disputed area of the border where North Korea doesn't acknowledge the official border, the area is where many deadly incidents happened in the past.

The big trouble this time is that the transition of power is in just a few weeks so to put the new leader in, most analysts believe that North Korea will do at least one other provocation... and this could be the one that actually starts a war.

China position on this was that if North Korea gets invaded out of the blue, they will back them up. But if North Korea starts it, who knows.

Hopefully Kim Jong Il is not crazy enough to make his son stage something to be a hero to take power...

If something is to EVER happen with this whole situation, this is one critical moment.

Last time power was passed, Kim Jong Il was responsible for the 1983 bombing in Rangoon, Burma. Not to mention in 1987 he orchestrated another bombing which killed all 115 on board Korean Air Flight 858.

New North Korea leaders have to ``prove themselves``... the sinking of the Cheonan was supposed to be one of many to come ``proof of courage`` orchestrated by his son... that will take the power early in September...and September is coming fast.

Analysts say new provocations are VERY LIKELY.

So now they deploy anti-air missiles on the border... maybe they expect to do one other provocation and the anti-air missiles are there to protect them from counterattack before they can call the Chinese to their aid? Or call for ceasefire/they didn't do it?

www.spacedaily.com
(visit the link for the full news article)

[edit on 4-8-2010 by Vitchilo]



posted on Aug, 4 2010 @ 09:16 PM
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Hey vitchilo, you can add this to your list of concerns....



english.chosun.com...



posted on Aug, 4 2010 @ 09:26 PM
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Looks like they have been making threats as a stall while they were preparing. This does not look good!



posted on Aug, 4 2010 @ 09:27 PM
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Originally posted by Vitchilo
China position on this was that if North Korea gets invaded out of the blue, they will back them up.


source source source?....

Thanks.



posted on Aug, 4 2010 @ 09:34 PM
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Argh! That would be right... North Korea finally start making good on their threats almost a month to the day that I'm scheduled to go to Seoul!! Part of the tour we're booked in involves visiting the DMZ... I wonder if that will still happen...



posted on Aug, 4 2010 @ 09:48 PM
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North Korea is not going to do anything - its all talk - the only way they would, would be in retaliation. They use fear like this to unify and control their own populous.

What's more likely to (officially) set of World War 3 is the tension mounting between Lebanon and Israel.



posted on Aug, 4 2010 @ 09:50 PM
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Certainly.

North Korea asked China to provide it with the latest J-10 fighter jets and other hardware but was rejected, it emerged Wednesday.


According to a high-ranking source in the North, North Korean leader Kim Jong-il made the request to Chinese President Hu Jintao when he visited China in early May. But Hu apparently told Kim that China will protect and support him if attacked.


China WILL back up North Korea if attacked. North Korea is their ``buffer zone`` like eastern Europe was Russia's buffer zone during the cold war. Like Rome had buffer zone all around it's empire... ect... They don't want NATO bases nor an United Korea on their border... they would prefer a proxy war with the US over this.

Not to mention China have 30 million too much males. Their economy is a big bubble, a war could ``help it`` and if they learned from their Korean war mistake, they could be successful.

[edit on 4-8-2010 by Vitchilo]



posted on Aug, 4 2010 @ 10:02 PM
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Originally posted by Vitchilo
reply to post by CanadianDream420
 


Certainly.

North Korea asked China to provide it with the latest J-10 fighter jets and other hardware but was rejected, it emerged Wednesday.


According to a high-ranking source in the North, North Korean leader Kim Jong-il made the request to Chinese President Hu Jintao when he visited China in early May. But Hu apparently told Kim that China will protect and support him if attacked.


China WILL back up North Korea if attacked. North Korea is their ``buffer zone`` like eastern Europe was Russia's buffer zone during the cold war. Like Rome had buffer zone all around it's empire... ect... They don't want NATO bases nor an United Korea on their border... they would prefer a proxy war with the US over this.

Not to mention China have 30 million too much males. Their economy is a big bubble, a war could ``help it`` and if they learned from their Korean war mistake, they could be successful.

[edit on 4-8-2010 by Vitchilo]


China will not go to war for North Korea. Not anymore. NK is not a buffer anymore its more like cancer. Now if North Korea were to be invaded I would not be suprised to see China grab some land in the north for themselves in the name of peace keeping some such.



posted on Aug, 4 2010 @ 10:07 PM
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If China engages the US, they lose their biggest customer and risk losing their major sources of foreign oil as the US takes total control of the Gulf.

They WOULD get involved, but only in a soft capacity of supplying NK ... N Korea is cannon fodder to China. Nothing more.

The West does not need NK strategically. it's not worth the cost to take and hold because it's resource-poor. War there is a ruse to sidetrack the US if anything.



posted on Aug, 4 2010 @ 10:35 PM
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Thank you for your ever vigilant watch on these matters, Vitchilo.

You have done us all a great service by bringing us daily news from these conflict ridden hot spots. It is obviously clear to us all that war is simply in the cards for the near future.. Some people say it's building to a third world war, others say a third world war will never happen.

IMO all these tensions and conflict hot spots will erupt into war around the same time, give or take a day or two. It's going to be pretty hairy once it all starts.. I imagine there will be a LOT of ATS chatter.

Only question is when really, and how far it will escalate and how devastating will it be



[edit on 4-8-2010 by Nomad451]



posted on Aug, 4 2010 @ 11:38 PM
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Within a week SEAD flights would walk through those SAMs. Maybe we could move some Wild Weasels to ROK Airbases just to make the North more paranoid.

[edit on 4-8-2010 by nastalgik]



posted on Aug, 5 2010 @ 04:31 AM
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Originally posted by SerialLurker
Argh! That would be right... North Korea finally start making good on their threats almost a month to the day that I'm scheduled to go to Seoul!! Part of the tour we're booked in involves visiting the DMZ... I wonder if that will still happen...



Are you crazy?

I wouldn't want to go anywhere near the area or anywhere close to the Middle East at the moment.

I still see and know people flying off to Dubai etc. for holidays at the moment, they're mad too, anything could kick off at any time!



posted on Aug, 5 2010 @ 05:10 AM
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Originally posted by minkey53

Originally posted by SerialLurker
Argh! That would be right... North Korea finally start making good on their threats almost a month to the day that I'm scheduled to go to Seoul!! Part of the tour we're booked in involves visiting the DMZ... I wonder if that will still happen...



Are you crazy?

I wouldn't want to go anywhere near the area or anywhere close to the Middle East at the moment.

I still see and know people flying off to Dubai etc. for holidays at the moment, they're mad too, anything could kick off at any time!


My mate just came back off his hols in Egypt Sharm el-Sheikh (I think). And he had police escort to and from the resort plus heard rockets being fired into Egypt from Israel . www.csmonitor.com...

Gaza militants actually did launch Monday's rocket attacks from Sinai

After initial denials, Egypt said yesterday that Monday's rocket attacks on Israeli and Jordanian resort cities came from Gaza militants operating in the Sinai Peninsula.


[edit on 5-8-2010 by tarifa37]



posted on Aug, 5 2010 @ 05:26 AM
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China do not want US troops on their border, and so, in the event of a war on the Korean penninsula, whether to support North Korea, or to be 'peacekeepers' or via intelligence assets in Pyongyang, they would intervene to ensure there was no US troops on their border.

If North Korea worries China about being erratic, then I am sure China will use it's assets to rectify that, and I believe China would be stupid not to have intelligence assets in North Korea. They may do this in the event of a war as well.

China could act as peacekeepers as Mr Spad stated, intervening as peacekeepers in the North should a war break out but provide a buffer to their border as Vitchillo stated correctly China likes having.

China could support North Korea in a war, but China's government is split between the old guard, and the new turks.

The old guard feel that following the Korean War, to allow North Korea to stand alone in the event of a new war and to be defeated, would be unacceptable in consideration of the blood mutually shed by China and North Korea in The Korean War, the fact they were comrades-in-arms and fought together in that war would be seen as being besmirched by a new war seeing China allow North Korea to be abandoned by China.

The new turks, that is the younger generation in the echelons of China's power structure, without the nostalgia and sense of importance of the Korean War of the older generation, see North Korea as a liability to Chinese interests, and feel that building economic ties with South Korea is the priority.


Either way, whoever prevails in the power structure, I can not envision US troops being stationed on China's border in the event of a US-South Korea victory over North Korea and China liking it.


Back to the subject at hand? North Korean SAMs being deployed is a signal to the US and South Korea: Carry on with your military exercises, but keep doing so, and we will stand up to you. We will not be bullied on our doorstep.

North Korea's SAM deployment is aimed at deterring continous military exercises.

An analogy would be this. North Korea is aiming a rifle out of the front door of it's house at those in the street waving around guns. North Korea is saying "Stay off my lawn."


The US would do precisely the same if China and North Korea were carrying out big military exercises just outside the US's territorial waters.

Nobody would accuse the US of being provocative if the US deployed SAMs in this case.

[edit on 5-8-2010 by Regensturm]



posted on Aug, 5 2010 @ 06:55 AM
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Talking of China...

China air force exercises 'carry message'

From the link:




China air force exercises 'carry message'

A large airborne military exercise is underway in China's central and eastern provinces and seas.

Fighter jets, spy planes and helicopters, along with 12,000 soldiers, are taking part in the drill.

It is one of several announced in official media in recent weeks.

The exercise follows verbal sparring between the US and China over conflicting territorial claims by China and many South East Asian nations in the South China Sea.

It also comes after China protested against major US-South Korea military exercises last month in the Sea of Japan.


Link


The US and South Korea have set out their strategic stalls and flexing their muscles, now China is setting out their strategic stalls and flexing their muscles.

At the same time.

Very interesting indeed.

[edit on 5-8-2010 by Regensturm]



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