Democrats are against the First Commandment.

reply to post by ~Lucidity


Check out the Preamble to these State Constitutions:

Arizona Constitution

Preamble

We the people of the State of Arizona, grateful to Almighty God for our liberties, do ordain this Constitution.

www.azleg.gov.../const/preamble.htm

The Alabama Constitution does not seem to have a preamble but this can be found in Section 1 of The Declaration of Rights:

Equality and rights of men. That all men are equally free and independent; that they are endowed by their Creator with certain inalienable rights; that among these are life, liberty and the pursuit of happiness.

www.legislature.state.al.us...

Delaware Constitution Preamble


Through Divine goodness, all men have by nature the rights of worshiping and serving their Creator according to the dictates of their consciences, of enjoying and defending life and liberty, of acquiring and protecting reputation and property, and in general of obtaining objects suitable to their condition, without injury by one to another; and as these rights are essential to their welfare, for due exercise thereof, power is inherent in them; and therefore all just authority in the institutions of political society is derived from the people, and established with their consent, to advance their happiness; and they may for this end, as circumstances require, from time to time, alter their Constitution of government.

www.state.de.us...

Georgia Constitution Preamble

To perpetuate the principles of free government, insure justice to all, preserve peace, promote the interest and happiness of the citizen and of the family, and transmit to posterity the enjoyment of liberty, we the people of Georgia, relying upon the protection and guidance of Almighty God, do ordain and establish this Constitution.

georgiainfo.galileo.usg.edu...

CALIFORNIA CONSTITUTION PREAMBLE

We, the People of the State of California, grateful to Almighty God for our freedom, in order to secure and perpetuate its blessings, do establish this Constitution.

www.leginfo.ca.gov...

Illinois Constitution Preamble

We, the People of the State of Illinois - grateful to Almighty God for the civil, political and religious liberty which He has permitted us to enjoy and seeking His blessing upon our endeavors - in order to provide for the health, safety and welfare of the people; maintain a representative and orderly government; eliminate poverty and inequality; assure legal, social and economic justice; provide opportunity for the fullest development of the individual; insure domestic tranquility; provide for the common defense; and secure the blessings of freedom and liberty to ourselves and our posterity - do ordain and establish this Constitution for the State of Illinois.

www.ilga.gov...

Louisiana Constitution Preamble

We, the people of Louisiana, grateful to Almighty God for the civil, political, economic, and religious liberties we enjoy, and desiring to protect individual rights to life, liberty, and property; afford opportunity for the fullest development of the individual; assure equality of rights; promote the health, safety, education, and welfare of the people; maintain a representative and orderly government; ensure domestic tranquility; provide for the common defense; and secure the blessings of freedom and justice to ourselves and our posterity, do ordain and establish this constitution.

senate.legis.state.la.us...

Maryland Constitution Preamble to the Declaration of Rights

We, the People of the State of Maryland, grateful to Almighty God for our civil and religious liberty, and taking into our serious consideration the best means of establishing a good Constitution in this State for the sure foundation and more permanent security thereof, declare:

www.msa.md.gov...

Montana Constitution Preamble

We the people of Montana grateful to God for the quiet beauty of our state, the grandeur of our mountains, the vastness of our rolling plains, and desiring to improve the quality of life, equality of opportunity and to secure the blessings of liberty for this and future generations do ordain and establish this constitution.

data.opi.mt.gov...

I could go on, but the point is that virtually all State Constitutions recognize God, or a Creator has existing and that Creator as being the higher authority that granted people their inalienable rights. Even from a secular point of view, it should be understandable why this is so. The point is to make clear to government that they do not have the right to grant people rights they all ready inherently have.

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Haha...gotta love Doonesbury. Thanks.

I'm seeing the connections too now. I'm almost mad enough to go hunting me some grizzly

I'll give it my 2 cents. This is just my best guess...

I've heard it said that anything can be your God - it is what you put the most importance on / build most of your life around. It can be your job, your spouse, NFL football, money, the Christian God or some other God. I've heard this said by several on the far religious right. Usually said to say that without doubt God should be the most important thing and everything you do should show that.

I think what she may be driving at is that she feels / fears that the government will become so important and so all encompassing in people's lives that it becomes their God. ie - what they look to for guidance, provision, etc, the most important thing in their lives.

She is fairly far out there - what I gave is my best guess as to what she's on about - I could be right, wrong or anywhere in between.



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I can understand that viewpoint to a degree, and even agree to a degree, as mentioned in the OP. At first I thought this might be all it was...a different way of expressing the opinion that the government is too big. But with the further information provided by others in this thread, and in digging some more, it seems it might go a bit deeper.

I think some people actually believe this is a Christian nation, and believe in Dominionist government...where Christians alone should control the civil government. The implications of this have me wondering what it is they're not telling us.

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Well that is what our files here say, and I've heard it backed up in passing by people in the United States government. I do not think it is an official doctrine, but more just a social more the Democrats go by.

As for the Christian nature of the US-Government, simple references to "God" do not equate to the Christian God, that's been the major operating principal for keeping "In God We Trust" as the national motto and such.

Frogs, you are absolutely right about what can constitute a "god" (lowercase g) in the Christian context, anything that one devotes their life to, or consumes the majority of their mental and physical energies becomes that person's god which replaces "God" (uppercase G.) This is why materialism becomes so dangerous to many Christian denominations, and not just those that are radicalized either.

The Church of England and Roman Catholic Church have both spoken out directly, philosophically and theologically against allowing materialism to consume people's lives. This does not mean that the major denominations in Europe are specifically against the sciences and capitalism, generally they support them, but a level of perspective is needed to keep all of it in harmony with the glorification of God and living of life in a pious way.

Edit: Oh and in a more direct response to JPZ, I am not a Democrat. Officially I am a member in good standing of the Labour Party, here in the United Kingdom, although I voted Liberal Democrat Party in the last election due to my disagreement with the direction the Labour Party has taken. The Labour Party is a member of Socialist International for our affiliates in other nations.

According to this then I would be an affiliate member of the Democratic Socialists of America Organization. The organization in your country has backed a number of both Democratic and Green Party candidates however they have specifically noted that the Democratic Party is not socialist directly.

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Rush thinks she's right...audio at this page....

Limbaugh: Sharron Angle "is exactly right" that Democrats "want us to treat government as God"

Originally posted by ~Lucidity
Rush thinks she's right...audio at this page....

Limbaugh: Sharron Angle "is exactly right" that Democrats "want us to treat government as God"

If you wanna be a good person, just do the exact opposite of whatever that fool says/does

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Preaching to the choir. Honestly? I think he's dangerous. As are the rest of his ilk. But that's just me.

He's covering Angle, gay marriage, the mosque, AZ, and food stamps. I may melt down.

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Well, she does have a point, but it is a forgotten one. If you replace the media's connotation of God as a strict ahole with the idea of a universal God who believes in freedom and helping others, and allow each of us to have our own personal viewpoint of the God / what to believe in, this gives us a society where people are able to see the big picture and do whatever they want to as long as they can make their own ends meet.

But - if you place government above religion and belief, I hope you can see how we could become a nationalist state and a slave society where everyone is micro-managed.

The unfortunate thing is that the idea of God that I described above, which was the God of the past, has been torn apart by the liberal media. And the conservatives seem to be replacing it with their own idea of a totalitarian God as well. So really there is no escape anymore - totalitarian religion, or totalitarian nation.

Trust me, once religion falls, logic will soon shift with it and the bottom line will be "did you provide for the state?" If you are mentally ill or retarded, do you provide for the state? No. Therefore you must die. Old and retired? Die as well. Enjoying yourself? Not allowed, unless it is a state sanctioned activity.

You have to trust me, I've been right about so many other things, it is much better we talk about this future and try to understand that it is coming than experience it when it is too late.

Just replace "God" with "thinking for yourself."

I must make note at this point that conservatives are scaring the # out of me though.

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Thanks. I believe what you're alluding to was already also briefly alluded to in both in the OP and a subsequent post. Good thing our only two choices aren't dominionism or a slavelike society, eh?

I have faith common sense and logic will prevail on both counts. Some people scare me too.


[edit on 8/5/2010 by ~Lucidity]

Angle is a Christian Reconstructionist.

People like that have NO PLACE, NO PLACE, I repeat NO PLACE in government.

All fanatics and fundamentalist need to step away from politics.

reply to post by TheOneElectric

So don't vote for them?

If only it were that simple. I'm sure that she probably represents the values of a certain segment of the population.

In addition, she has Tea Party backing, and if they turn out to be the force they claim they're going to be in November...we might just have ourselves a(nother?) Christian Reconstructionist Senator.

One thing I have to say, if we use the corruption and outright blatant destruction of America as a backdrop, a Spiritual government would not seem that bad. LOL. I am sure I am going to get crap about that statement.

reply to post by ~Lucidity


"Democrats are against the First Commandment."

You know I'll just bet they are also against this commandment where your god demands child sacrifice.

Exodus 22:29-30

29 Thou shalt not delay to offer of thy harvest, and of the outflow of thy presses. The first-born of thy sons shalt thou give unto me.

30 Likewise shalt thou do with thine oxen, and with thy sheep: seven days it shall be with its dam; on the eighth day thou shalt give it me.

And no wonder they are so against christianity which is utterly meaningless without the human blood sacrifice of a virgin male! THOSE SICK EVIL DEMOCRATS!!

reply to post by Lilitu

My god? Do you think I'm the one saying this? Sorry, I might be tired, but I think I'm missing the point?



[edit on 8/6/2010 by ~Lucidity]

Originally posted by fred call
Democrats are against the First Commandment.

what about the first commandment is not atheistic?

one of the accepted definitions of an atheist is one who does not believe in a higher or supreme being.

whomever gave the first commandment could fit the definition of a self-proclaimed atheist.

"no gods but me"

just an observation,
et


edited to add:

how can god be all things, if god cannot be all things god?
GOD can also be an acronym for:
Governments Of Dollars

[edit on 6-8-2010 by Esoteric Teacher]

Originally posted by ProjectJimmy
Being a Zen Buddhist, I doubt I'll ever really have to deal with the issue of my religion taking over politics. The last time it really was an issue anywhere to the best of my knowledge was in Ancient China.

Its somewhat off-topic to the OP, but the last time Buddhists played an active role in politics was fairly recently, in Sri-Lanka, where Buddhist sects actively pressured the Indian Goverment to intervene against the Tamil Tigers and used religious donations to fund Sri-Lankhean unionist fighters.

In Japanese history, until the rise of Tokugawa in 17th century, Buddhist monasteries played a very active role in the land struggle between the Daimyos.

Ah yes, and off course Tibet was a feudal state, with buddhists overlords imposing some very archaic (i.e. cruel) forms of law enforcement, like the chopping off of limbs, and collecting very demanding tithes from the local farmers, until their ouster by Chinese invasion.

The Buddhist religions may have a slightly lesser body count than the religions of Scripture, but they are far away from the claims of their followers to be 100% peaceably at all times.

First and foremost anyone who takes Angle's stances as The Golden Book seriously needs to reanalyze things.

This same agenda was being touted by The GOP between 01 - 08 and is now being employed by the Dems nowadays by TPTB and not the individual parties.

To vote for someone on nothing more then religious veiws is not utilizing the vote fully and is creating a tunnel vision for the voter making them unable to fully know why or what they are voting for. In example, if Candidate A is against seperation of church and state but for religious freedom while Candidate B is for seperation of church and state but is against religious freedoms most unfortunately will go for Candidate B. This is the classical "Voting Against Your Personal Self Interest" scenario. Voting for someone on the sole and exclusive premise of "Theocratical Stances" and not how the person promises to make life better for all means that person has a few screws loose.

Vote for those that are for religious freedoms, for personal freedoms, for gender and ethnic equality, for the Constitution, for America. Find out what issues are important to you and vote for a candidate on the issues and not on some propogandic template.

The United States Of America does not now, never has and will not ever have an "Official State Religion" as that forces the populous to choose one faith above another, even those that go against what one's beleives to be either true or right. "Freedom Of Worship the way of one's choosing" is written into The 1st Amendment of The Constitution.

The USA's motto "In God We Trust" is not a strike against The Government Of The Divine and not a strike against The Holy Family and is not a strike against The International Spiritual Holy Faith Councils either. As well as the remainder of the recognized 2.500 Holy Faiths that are practiced all over the planet. As all texts who decree that we all are held accountable to a a diety God as all refer to the same person as the world expanded out beyond The Middle East and Africa the need for more faiths became nessecary. To keep and maintain the balance of The International Spirutual Holy Orders and The GovernmentOf The Divine. Most are written for a particular culture or ethnic group that works around and with the laws of the land where it is practiced and not to be taken as anything else but the aforementioned. Down on Earth numbers game usually wins but up in Heaven or The Great Garden as well on The Other Side every single faith is seen as an equal and no faith has precedence, favour, creedence or supremacy above another as we all are The Great Creator's children and he/she/it (insert personal stance here) LOVES EACH AND EVERYONE OF US EQUALLY AND CARES NOT FOR SKIN COLOUR OR FAITH.

No person I care not your faith, skin colour, ethnic background the following text, "I am the Lord your God" as the widely accepted by Christianity/Hassidic Hebrew's 4 main subfaiths are the not considered to be law prosecutable under man's law as man's law is allowed to grow and to exist using that principle. The Commandment is law on all lands on Earth however is only a template and not intended to be put into practice on Earth and cannot be made law prosecutable or even deemed nessecary to criminalize the fact as that makes it a "Thought Crime" and those crimes under it are not prosecutable.

The People's Business before The United States Congress knows no holiday.


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[edit on 7-8-2010 by TheImmaculateD1]

Originally posted by Lilitu
reply to post by ~Lucidity

 

"Democrats are against the First Commandment."

You know I'll just bet they are also against this commandment where your god demands child sacrifice.

Exodus 22:29-30

29 Thou shalt not delay to offer of thy harvest, and of the outflow of thy presses. The first-born of thy sons shalt thou give unto me.

-- This can be taken as all first borns are to be the one to take care of the community and tend to the sick and elderly. Harvest refers to farming and by farming animals were the main technology source used back then as back then no one knew what a grater or a tractor even was, this means the harvest predates the great feast and also to use your animals to feed the community.

30 Likewise shalt thou do with thine oxen, and with thy sheep: seven days it shall be with its dam; on the eighth day thou shalt give it me.

-- This allows for the oxen and sheep to be used to hande and help with maintaning the crops and harvest so that everyone can eat and on the eighth day they are killed, skinned, grilled and eaten in the Great Community Feast. (hence they are killed and then are returned to God). Nowadays we know a great feast as a neighbourhood BBQ in the summer.

And no wonder they are so against christianity which is utterly meaningless without the human blood sacrifice of a virgin male! THOSE SICK EVIL DEMOCRATS!!

Think outside the box dude. Answered in quote. Do not look at these texts with 21st Century or even 20th Century eyes as what reveals itself will be incorrect and tainted but look at it with the eyes of someone living between say, 50 AD/CE - like, 500 AD/CE and the true meaning comes into view.

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Thanks for that perspective. Pretty good summary of what to look for in voting for a secular government.

I'll even go out on a limb and say that it doesn't matter if people with these personal values and this perspective of how a government should work do get into government.

We have some decent built-in protections to ensure that religion doesn't creep into our government, and that we will not become a "Christian nation," which is a far cry from saying it is a nation that welcomes, embraces, and protects Christians and people of all other beliefs and persuasions under the same principles...as humans.

If anyone were to attempt this, it would be a real battle. Best to keep an eye on it though.