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Mongolian neo-Nazis: Anti-Chinese sentiment fuels rise of ultra-nationalism

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posted on Aug, 4 2010 @ 08:44 AM
Their right hands rise to black-clad chests and flash out in salute to their nation: "Sieg heil!" They praise Hitler's devotion to ethnic purity

But with their high cheekbones, dark eyes and brown skin, they are hardly the Third Reich's Aryan ideal. A new strain of Nazism has found an unlikely home: Mongolia

Once again, ultra-nationalists have emerged from an impoverished economy and turned upon outsiders. This time the main targets come from China, the rising power to the south.

Quite an unusual news piece I thought. As they say in difficult economic times the far right and the far left do very well, and the fascist parties come crawling out of the woodwork.

But Neo Nazism in Mongolia? This to me is just crazy.

Tsagaan Khass points out that the swastika is an ancient Asian symbol – which is true, but does not explain the group's use of Nazi colours, the Nazi eagle and the Nazi salute; or the large picture of the Führer on Big Brother's cigarette case.

I'm sure most ATS members already knew the above and that the symbols original meaning was very different, as it has become an internationally reviled symbol.

What is apparent is that many Mongolians have a growing fear of Chinese expansion. In particular racial integration seems to be the paramount fear, the suggestion being that wealthy Chinese men have their pick of suitors from the Mongol population.

These fears are understandable given the economic growth of China over the last 20 years. But creating a political party with connotations to Nazi Germany is not going to garner any international support. As a result this will only serve to further isolate the plight of the Mongolian people. Of course these ultra nationalist groups are not representative of the whole population, but they have apparently been gaining increasing support from the public.

The US state department has noted increased reports of xenophobic attacks since the spring. The UN country review cites a recent vicious assault on three young transgender women. When one of the victims publicly blamed an ultra-nationalist group – not Tsagaan Khass – death threats quickly followed.

There have been many alleged racial attacks on Chinese nationals in Mongolia with many victims afraid to come forward, masking the true extent of the problem.

The original article;

posted on Aug, 4 2010 @ 08:59 AM
The Nazi involvement with Asia has always been more complex than most people realize. A number of high-ranked Nazis were Japanophiles who admired that nation's samurai spirit, and a famous Nazi mission was sent to Tibet to investigate possible racial connections between Central/Eastern Asians and Caucasians. One of the first in-depth Western scholarly studies of Genghis Khan and the Mongols was written in Nazi Germany.

The Nazis are usually depicted as "hating all other races," and this may be true to a great extent, but much of the official ideology put more stress on racial purity than racial suprematism per se, at least in certain theoretical writings. That may seem a slim distinction, and many if not most Nazis probably saw no difference between the two at all, but a minority of Nazi ideologues had a certain amount of respect for Asiatic cultures (at least as they imagined them). "Nazi esoteicism" drew much from the "Root Race" theories of Helena Blavatsky, who was deeply involved in a kind of skewed, romanticized 19th-century misintepretation of Asian culture and philosophy.

Some may find the following pieces of interest in this connection:

Fascist Occultism and Its Relationship to Tantric Buddhism

Hitler, Buddha, and Krishna: An Unholy Alliance

[edit on 8/4/10 by silent thunder]

posted on Aug, 4 2010 @ 09:16 AM
reply to post by silent thunder

I did not know about that study star for you! I was aware of the Japanese Nazi connection but not the extension through other Asiatic cultures.

I suppose the paramount concern of the Nazi doctrine was social Darwinism, not race neccessarily. Perhaps Nazi higher ups admired the racial purity of the Japanese, coupled with their rapid industrial expansion at the time. They certainly would have appeared very impressive in regards to Nazi ideology

posted on Aug, 4 2010 @ 09:24 AM
reply to post by Big Raging Loner

The link below is to a partial translation of a Nazi booklet on Japan for "common German readers" that shows some of the "official" positions regarding that culture as they perceived it:

Also, consider the following from the second link in my post above:

"The Nazi "myth makers" were especially fascinated by the Far East. It was there - more so than in the cultural roots of Europe - that they hoped to find the foundations of a "political theology", which the gigantic regime which was the Third Reich could use as its metaphysical basis. In the philosophies, mythologies, visions and dogmas as well as in the religious practices and texts of the spiritual traditions Asia had to offer they found the models for glorifying war, for the deification of the "Führer" and the white race. They discovered the spiritual remnants of a long-lost indo-Aryan and anti-Semitic primeval religion which they now wanted to reconstruct in the sign of the swastika....

...this restoration of an Aryan religion drew on ideas, philosophies, mythologies, visions, dogmas and sacred practices pertaining to traditional Oriental belief systems. A coterie of fascist cultural scholars sprang up asserting that Buddhism, the Vedas, the Puranas, the Upanishads, the Bhagavad Gita, yoga and even Tantrism were intellectual remnants of a vanished, global, indo-Aryan, anti-Semitic religion. There were also borrowings from Tibetan culture and especially from Japanese Zen and Samurai traditions. The archaic cultural legacy of a despotic and warlike Orient provided Nazi ideologues with their theories for:

-the apotheosis of the ‘Führer’
-a social caste system based on race
-the enshrinement of war and warriors
-mastery over ones feelings
-the manipulation of consciousness
-the political exploitation of symbols and rituals
-the significance of archaic sacrificial rites

...The aspects of Eastern religions that were influencing Nazi thought were discussed and debated from an esoteric as well as an academic stance since Heinrich Himmler...encouraged both approaches to the subject. [There were] discussions on:

-Karma law
-Buddhist meditation
-Samurai ethics
-Bhagavad Gita warrior mysticism
-Hitler as sacred ruler of the world (Chakravartin)

More at link above.

[edit on 8/4/10 by silent thunder]

posted on Aug, 4 2010 @ 09:41 AM
reply to post by silent thunder

Thanks for the link! So from reading through this I'm having a little chicken and egg dilema. Was the Nazi Party's original ideology influenced by the rise Japanese Empire?

Or was this pamphlet and other materials circulated as propaganda so to speak, to justify an alliance and create a bond between to very different cultures?

posted on Aug, 4 2010 @ 09:57 AM

Originally posted by Big Raging Loner
reply to post by silent thunder

Thanks for the link! So from reading through this I'm having a little chicken and egg dilema. Was the Nazi Party's original ideology influenced by the rise Japanese Empire?

Or was this pamphlet and other materials circulated as propaganda so to speak, to justify an alliance and create a bond between to very different cultures?

Probably a bit of both.

There were different "circles" in the Nazi party. I think Hitler himself and others like Goering and Goebbels didn't really spend much time thinking about the mysticism or cultures of Asia, and they teamed up with Japan for pure political expediency.

Then, on the other hand, you have people like Himmler, who were deeply involved in all kinds of occult and esoteric things. Asia was even more "exotic" and poorly understood in the West then than it is now, and it was easy for Westerners like Himmler to grab at roughly-translated bits and pieces of Asian philosophy and let their imaginations run with them at will.

Asian studies in the West were just opening up in general in the early 20th century, and scholars in all Western nations were surprised to discover the extent and depth of Asian philosophical writings. Some Nazis looked to Asia as a possible source for philosophic/religious alternatives to the "semitic" Abrahamic religions. Genghis Khan's warrior ethos, and what was becomming known of the harsher, more militaristic strains of samurai Zen were appealing to them. The Tibetan notion of a "Chakravartin" as an absolute leader was also studied. Some saw the Indian Vedic writings as possible ancient reminants of a vanished "Aryan" philosophy -- It was beleived by many that the "Aryan race" had once supposedly held sway over much of Eurasia, but lost its purity in Iran and India through interbreedings. Nevertheless, the ancient writings of Vedic Hinduism and Persiian Zoroastrianism were scrutinized.

Ultimately, you had different groups within the Nazi movement using their patchy understanding of Asian culture for various ends, ranging from mystical speculation to the political expediency of justifying an alliance with Japan and others in Asia.

posted on Aug, 4 2010 @ 10:23 AM
well, I didnt see this one coming..
dang nazis poppin up everywhere these days.
it just seems so cliche anymore-
they couldnt think of anything Abroriginal?
like i see a swastika in 2010 and i'm supposed to think what ?
they have an interesting enough fashion statement goin..
i cant abide a genuine nazi-bad enough i was issued an SS number at birth.
Ghengis Kahn Klux Klan ?
-but i'm all for sending chinese packing.
have at it.

[edit on 4-8-2010 by p51mustang]

posted on Aug, 4 2010 @ 10:34 AM
No surprise young Mongolian men see the Chinese as a threat, they don't like China's ways and they don't like the Chinese, who prefer boy babies over girl babies, creating an tragic imbalance that sends Chinese men into Mongolian territory looking for wives, stealing the girls from the Mongolian boys.

Nazism in Mongolia is going to happen, people will have to accept this, unfortunately.

The Chinese need to sort their mess out.

I can imagine Jewish delegates all fried up over this though, but what the heck are they going to do?

posted on Aug, 4 2010 @ 10:53 AM
reply to post by silent thunder

So essentially the Nazi doctrine is a patchwork quilt of an ideology, picking up bit's and pieces and fitting them together as required.

Up until this point my understanding of the evolution of the Nazi party was, orignating from Mackinder's heartland theory which gave birth to the concept of Geoploitics. This in turn devloped into the Geopolitik by Friedrich Ratzel and Karl Haushofer, and was thereafter adopted and exploited by Adolf Hitler in the creation of an organic state theory, in the form of National Socialism.

I still believe this to be the core belief structure around which the Nazi party formed, but the Eastern philosophy element adds a mythology to it, which as you mentioned most likely informed the Aryan and Sonne Kinder envisioning.

It is interesting to find that the Nazi party has more culturally diverse roots than the mainstream belief. In this sense I suppose it is not so surprising, as I originally thought, to find it in Mongolian culture too. However I feel they should have continued the evolution of the political doctrine and created their own unique image, as supposed to clutching at former embodiments of National Socialism.

posted on Aug, 4 2010 @ 11:04 AM
No surprise young Mongolian men see the Chinese as a threat, they don't like China's ways and they don't like the Chinese, who prefer boy babies over girl babies, creating an tragic imbalance that sends Chinese men into Mongolian territory looking for wives, stealing the girls from the Mongolian boys.

I agree with your sentiments here, the demographic time bomb that is China's population imbalance, most certainly puts pressure on surrounding countries. In particular Mongolia is essentially surrounded by Chinese territory and this must prove an intimidating reality for young Mongolian men.

The real problem with this of course, is the gap in earning potential between the Mongolian youth and that of their Chinese counterparts. Young men from China can provide stability and the chance of a 'better' life for Mongolian women, and as we have already covered they would certainly have their pick of suitors.

posted on Aug, 4 2010 @ 11:32 AM
Interesting thread

Though I must comment that this must horrify the Chinese Jews

All 30 of them!

posted on Aug, 6 2010 @ 10:58 AM
I hope their uniforms are as snappy as the originals. Other than that, it's fine unless they start a mass genocide of some sort.

They'd get curbstomped by the Chinese if they started anything.

posted on Oct, 4 2010 @ 09:34 AM
It does not take much for anyone to say they are neo-Nazi. The Nazi movement is a glorification of the Germanic ideal of a man and the prosecution of Jews. These neo-Nazi can easily put themselves back in 1933. If they aren't German now, they weren't German back then. Mostly the Gestopos would have them locked up in the ghetto or deported. Those were a very turbulent time. I know because I have dreams about that period. Das ist Deutschland über alles!!!! If these people do not have the heart for Germany in their intents, they are nothing but a wannabe. Victims of power of imagery seductions. They will go nowhere. Today's Germans would laugh at them, along with the rest of the far right groups across the world.

posted on Oct, 4 2010 @ 10:30 AM
There is anti-chinese sentiment in every country, the chinese are hardworking people putting a strong emphasis on education and hardwork like the Jews so they tend to accumulate wealth leading to anti-chinese sentiment,

In countries with small Chinese minorities, the economic disparity can be remarkable. For example, in 1998, ethnic Chinese made up just 1% of the population of the Philippines and 3% of the population in Indonesia, but controlled 40% of the Philippines private economy and 70% of the Indonesian private economy.[2] In Malaysia the low birth rate of Chinese decreased its relative population from one half to one third. One study of the Chinese as a "market-dominant minority" notes that "Chinese market dominance and intense resentment amongst the indigenous majority is characteristic of virtually every country in Southeast Asia".[3]

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