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Germany gave assassination list to secret US unit

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posted on Aug, 4 2010 @ 08:15 AM
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Germany gave assassination list to secret US unit


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The German government supplied a secret Pentagon task force with names of Taliban leaders that the US then could target for assassination, documents show.

Buried in the 92,000 pages of documents released by the Web site Wikileaks is evidence that show the German government abetted a secret program to kill or capture Taliban leaders. The German government has already been helping the US generate a "hit list" through NATO, but this list went a step farther, bypassing transparency and judicial
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posted on Aug, 4 2010 @ 08:15 AM
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Although this is a damning "expose" of Germany, the bigger picture is the most damning of all. Although many of us have suspected that this kind of thing is going on, we now have semi-proof.

I wonder how the German public is going to take this bit of news? I'm sure they won't be too happy and unlike America, the German public isn't completely helpless in accounting for the actions of their leaders.

On another note, I wonder if this could be related to Cheney's secret hit-squad that was rumored to exist? Regardless, when you take a step back and look at the bigger picture, it becomes crystal clear how evil our empire has become. The sad thing is, this is all done in our name, just as Nazi Germany's atrocities were done her public's name.

People wonder how everyday average Germans could have not said or done anything as the Nazi government were committing these horrid acts against nature. Well, it's now easy to understand, though not so easy to accept. The German people were fooled/brainwashed, just as the American people are today.

The other day, I was talking to an inlaw who supports both wars and she is a die-hard Zionist and Israeli-supporter. She was going on and on about how she just couldn't fathom the good people of Germany not saying anything as the Nazis were terrorizing Poland. I couldn't help but to think of the irony and how she too, along with the vast majority of Americans, is being fooled into accepting the same atrocities.

--airspoon

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posted on Aug, 4 2010 @ 08:17 AM
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As much as I hate to say it, I'm starting to lean a bit towards this latest leak not being a good idea.



posted on Aug, 4 2010 @ 08:21 AM
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reply to post by Ecidemon
 


I don't really trust wikileaks, as some red flags have been raised, actually a lot of bright orange flags. With that being said, it doesn't mean that all of the information is false, as they would have to maintain credability. I just take everything coming out of WL with a grain of salt.

--airspoon



posted on Aug, 4 2010 @ 09:34 AM
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In what way is the leak not a good idea? I do not pose the question to attack your position. I am curious as to the rationale is all.

I can't really see how the leak could be bad. Noone would be prosecuted for it and assassination is better than the indescriminate damage conventional warfare brings. If Germany did give them a list then it would be reasonable to assume they aren't the only ones.

Cheers

Edited for putting words in somebody elses mouth.

[edit on 4-8-2010 by thebulldog]



posted on Aug, 4 2010 @ 09:41 AM
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In fairness a lot of the nazi related crimes that happen to the Jews pretty much happen in Germany's backyards and along their boarders. I am pretty sure if the wars that we our involved with were inside our boarders and not 6,000 miles away, a lot of us would feel a whole lot different about the current situation, including my self.

I know its still just an a excuse, but that my opinion.



posted on Aug, 4 2010 @ 09:44 AM
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So It is a great idea to have a hit list of leaders.
How to shorten the war, kill the leaders, (head of the snake), and then the war is over sooner.



posted on Aug, 4 2010 @ 09:54 AM
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Well, the playing feild is leveled, if not leaning more towards responsability being on our shoulders, since we do live in the information age and have a means to both broadcast the truth and recieve it. While the Nazi atrocities were happening in their "backyard", so to speak, there wasn't really a viable method to spread the news. Today, almost every American has a means to see the truth, what's really going on.

--airspoon

 
 



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I wish it was that simple. Unfortunately, it isn't. We can't just expect to win our wars by assassinating the leaders of the countries we are opposed to. In fact, this isn't even mentioning that the stated goals of our leaders, probably aren't the true goals of their agenda. When people are oppressed, they fight and the American empire is and has been oppressing these people. This is why they fight.

--airspoon



posted on Aug, 4 2010 @ 10:00 AM
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MAC-SOG revisited.......
I begin to see how the older ones among us should have been better at teaching the next gen., about what was learned from Vietnam.
The general pattern even down to the hit squads, of spec. ops. troops, that bring death in the night to nebulously accused people marked for death sentences by virtue of being disliked by some informer..........
It didnt work then, and it wont work now.Again i am amazed at the inability of the military to adapt or change.
The leaks are important and should be a slap in the face to those who never imagined this goverment could decieve them so casually.I hope this is a wake-up.........



posted on Aug, 4 2010 @ 10:56 AM
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Originally posted by stirling
MAC-SOG revisited.......
I begin to see how the older ones among us should have been better at teaching the next gen., about what was learned from Vietnam.
The general pattern even down to the hit squads, of spec. ops. troops, that bring death in the night to nebulously accused people marked for death sentences by virtue of being disliked by some informer..........
It didnt work then, and it wont work now.Again i am amazed at the inability of the military to adapt or change.
The leaks are important and should be a slap in the face to those who never imagined this goverment could decieve them so casually.I hope this is a wake-up.........


A sterling post, stirling! So many ats members just can't grasp the idea that governments cannot be trusted despite the continuous proof that the governments give us. It really makes me wonder why they're logged into a "conspiracy" discussion forum?



posted on Aug, 5 2010 @ 12:50 AM
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Didn't the Nazis assasinate and murder political opponents? Your attempt to draw a connection between the brown shirts and a legitimate military unit is appalling. I fail to understand the reason for all this fuss, alqueda and taliban leaders don't belong to a sovereign nation and they surely don't prescribe to any aspects of the geneva convention. I am pretty sure you can find a better, more meaningful way to drum up antigovernment sentiment, especially considering your intention to bend the truth and mislead. Try again.



posted on Aug, 5 2010 @ 01:05 AM
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Germany, Canada, China, Norway... Heck, whoever has insight on top Taliban leaders I'm sure the U.S is willing to accept new sources/evidence/facts/locations.



posted on Aug, 5 2010 @ 09:33 AM
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Your attempt to draw a connection between the brown shirts and a legitimate military unit is appalling.


I wouldn't consider Blackwater or any other Pentagon contractor to be a legit military unit. Furthermore, if I remember right, the Nazis were a legitimate government, therefore the brownshirts were a legitimate military unit.


I fail to understand the reason for all this fuss, alqueda and taliban leaders don't belong to a sovereign nation and they surely don't prescribe to any aspects of the geneva convention.


It's funny you bring up the Geneva Conventions because we don't follow it either. Furthermore, the Taliban did belong to a nation, though they turned out to be our political foe, so we decided to oust them.


I am pretty sure you can find a better, more meaningful way to drum up antigovernment sentiment, especially considering your intention to bend the truth and mislead.


No anti-government sentiment here. I back my government 100%, as long as they follow the law, all the way back to the Constitution.

Political assassinations are wrong for a couple of reasons, one being that it doesn't give the person an opportunity to surrender and it surely doesn't give the person an opportunity to have his case heard in court. You can't claim that they aren't enemy soldiers for purposes that suit us, such as detainment and torture, and then claim they are for other purposes that suit us, such as assassinations and collateral damage.

Also, you have to remember that this assassination list is different from the widely know list, thus making is safe to suggest that the targets are "other-than" Al Qaeda or even valid military targets.

In other words, your argument has no legs to stand on.

--airspoon



posted on Aug, 5 2010 @ 12:39 PM
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Perhaps you would like to enlighten us as to how we do not follow the geneva convention. Furthermore, maybe you could explain why you think the Brown Shirts were a legitimate military unit.



posted on Aug, 5 2010 @ 01:36 PM
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Sounds like treason to me.

All the people of the world are being oppressed by their governments.



posted on Aug, 5 2010 @ 01:48 PM
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Wow countires have wetwork teams who would have guessed stop the presses, this is real big news and everybody needs to know about it right now.

Honestly it never ceases to amaze me how stupid people are. Of course your countries have assassination teams working for the governements, it would be irresponsible of a developed nation not to have at least one such team of trained specialists. Most have many specialist killers who are not just part of the normal army network.



posted on Aug, 5 2010 @ 01:51 PM
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This is kind of adouble edged sword the more you think about it.

By that I mean, Since this "war on Terror" started, they are always going on about "we are not at war with nations, we are at war with these terrorists". So IMO (and I could be wrong here), wouldnt it be in the best interests of our govt to go after those responsible instead of those who had nothing to do with the crime at hand(innocents)? This whole 'war on terror' is a joke to me because they are not focusing enough on individuals more as they are nations.

Now the other side of the sword.

Who says this list is of people that actually had a hand in any of this? How did Germany get this list? And why are they of all people, giving out names of people that need to be killed? Do they have the evidence to back up the fact that these people indeed have something to do with all the terrorist attacks? What makes their list any more credible, and why in the hell do these people not have a chance to prove themselves as innocents, instead of getting a bullet to the head?

I personally, would like more information on this before Imake my full judgement on this.

If these' terrorists' really were responsible for these attacks as our governments have led us to believe, then we should at least give these people a chance to stake their claim in all of this. These people on these lists may have valuable information on who we should really be targeting if they themselves are not responsible, and if they could give us the names of those that are TRULY responsible, would that not be in the worlds best interest in stead of killing a couple of flys who dont know anything or had no part in it?


I dont know, maybe I am wrong.



posted on Aug, 5 2010 @ 02:59 PM
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These are not "political assassinations"
These are military operations.
The POTUS signs off on these things AFTER a half dozen lawyers certify the evidence as clear and overwhelming that the individual is involved in terror.

I am certain we had a team working on Hitler in WW II.

On one side of your mouth you bemoan innocent citizens and children being killed, then on the other side of your mouth whine about targeted opportunities.

Caannot have it both ways.



[edit on 5-8-2010 by slugger9787]



posted on Aug, 5 2010 @ 03:16 PM
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Well, from my German point of view, I only can say, that most people don't even take notice and the neo-cons are trying to turn things upside down.

Probably they will tell us soon, that Wikileaks is a synonym for Al Quaida and Assange is Osama after a face surgery.

But the government is losing support since a long time anyway. This has nothing to do with Afghanistan, but with their many failures and incababilities.

Meanwhile I fear the wikileaks will only lead to normalize war again for Germans. We never wanted to be part of a war in another country anymore after WWII. Then they told us, we have to help our allies with money, with equipment, help the victims with protection... Lately they said, maybe this could be called war from a special point of view. Now they say, it does not violate human rights to kill those, who are suspected.

Either this is the end of Germany's peaceful position or it is the end of this government.

I fear, it is both.



posted on Aug, 5 2010 @ 03:27 PM
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Interesting, to me this sounds like German BND or military intelligence shearing intelligence with the Americans. You will probably find that MI6, DGSE, Mossad, ISI and so on are all doing the same, giving the Americans intelligence on terrorist targets the want naturalised in some way. It’s probably a case of if America agrees they are a thread they will do the job because they have the resources in place to naturalise any threat. Its hard to give the specifics of any possible deal, I am just making a educated guess about how this might be working

These operations are not quite assassinations but rather capture or kill operations, meaning that they would like the alive but they won’t complain too much if they turn up dead. I think I am right in saying that they are currently being conducted by an American task force called TF 373. It’s also highly probable they have found some legal loop hole that allows these operations to take place without breaking the law.




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