Immigration - If Obama would do this..Would YOU be satisfied?

Originally posted by Koolcdj69
reply to post by sdcigarpig

 

I do not care if the Obama administration would lose the White House, but yes you are going to get them to admit they are criminals.
I'm guessing your up fro send 30 million illegals home via airplanes all paid for by government/
No, we make use of these people, make them residents and pay taxes from the time they were here to now. It would be a great influx of money and now legal workforce.

I mean if you wanna send 30 million plus their legal children home, than take down much of the economy based on illegal labor or even housing, than that is stubborn.

where exactly are the illegals going to get the money to pay the taxes they owe from the time they entered the U.S. until now?

I don't know what fantasy world you live in but its obvious you have never seen an illegal alien or been where they live in the states.

i can only speak of illegal aliens that are of Hispanic decent because they are the only ones i have been around. 99% of them live in a run down house with 15-20+ people sharing the rent, they keep enough money to barely live on and send the rest home to their families that are still in their home country.

amnesty will never work. i can see it now we grant amnesty to illegal aliens and every murderer on death row is going to appeal their convictions and seek amnesty on the grounds that one group of law breakers gets it so why shouldn't they.

you keep saying to everyone that their ideas aren't plausible. when they majority of the people that have posted in this thread have posted more plausible ideas than you have.

you say its not plausible to round these people up and put them on planes, trains, buses and ship them back to the border, I say it is. heres how.


first we truly secure the border. send in the army to patrol the border. finish building a fence along our border, inland about 10 feet. posts signs at the border in multiple languages stating anyone found between the border and the fence can and will be shot. that will stop 90% of the flow of illegals right there just the threat of being killed.

as for the illegals already here. no amnesty! they have 30 days to leave the country no questions asked. they will not be given special treatment when they try to re-enter the country legally. they take a number and wait in line just like anyone else.

anyone that doesn't leave on their own during the 30 days when found will be deported. and not just to the border but at least to the closest airport to the geographic center of their HOME COUNTRY!

how do we cover the deportation costs you ask? simple

every illegal i know uses western union to wire their paychecks back home. we should start taxing money transfers via western union etc. that leave the U.S. for any other country. that tax should be placed in a fund to cover the cost of deporting these criminals.

when someone is found to be in this country illegally the government seizes any assets they have.

most own cars so they can get to and from work. those assets should be sold at auction and the proceeds from the auctions goes into the fund to cover deportation.

If they have a job in the states the government should seize their pay from said job and put it in the fund.

And Since we pay all these billions of dollars to Mexico in Aid. i say we stop sending them aid money. we use that money to also fund the massive deportation of illegal immigrants.

and no an illegal immigrant can't prove they have lived here x number of years using their kids as proof. who is to say the kid wasn't born 15 years and 1 day before they entered the U.S. and claim the baby was born at home while waiting for an ambulance. thats just one example how they could get around the proof idea you have and i'm sure their are hundreds of other ways.

also we need to crack down on anchor babies. we need to stop granting U.S. citizenship to babies born to women who are here illegally!

But in all honesty it doesn't matter if i think your ideas aren't plausible or if you think my idea's or the others that post in this thread aren't plausible, because nothing to secure the borders, and dealing with all the illegals already in this country can happen until the federal gov't stops seeing illegals as potential voters and starts seeing them for what they really are. Criminals that are a drain on the system in this country.

reply to post by soontide


I like what you are proposing. It's very well thought out and made, and I cxan see much of it working alas to the part on Mexico where we would take the fine on our annual help to them, because I can see foul yelled out on their behalf but they are not cooperating to an extent where we could keep the situation in control.


Alas, we will have to see how the situation will play itself out.

reply to post by Koolcdj69


You really want to know how it is going to play out? Here is how it will:
1) The federal government will make promises, senators and those trying to remain in office will continue to state oh we are working on it, then when it comes to actually action, nothing, absolutely nothing will happen. All funding will stop.
2) The inaction of the federal government will result in tougher laws at the state level against those who are illegale immigrants, and a lot of lawsuits. Claims of problems on both sides. Riots and property damage against those who had absolutely nothing to do.
3) States that have passed and are willing to pass these measures, will force the illegale immigrants to other states, thus taking the problems of such to states that can not afford such. I would not be surprised if a state or 2 goes bankrupt or are so far in debt, that it starts to affect the general population.
4) You will see a rise of violence along the border as the militias start to do the one thing that the federal and state government will not do, secure the border and I have read reports of this is going from a cold conflict to one that will heat up.
5) Possible war with Mexico, as their corrupt military will not stand for those who they are bribed by being killed or shot at, causing if not one but more incidence. The population on both sides of the border will scream, and there will be a new wave of harassement and discrimination against the hispanic communities, to the point of where the federal government will need to get involved to restore the peace.

You're willing to give illegals a pass as long as they can prove they have been here 15 years? Sure, let's pass that law. Then supporters will lobby for changing the law to 8 years. Then 4 years. Then 1 year. I say no. Also, they broke the law. There should at least be some punishment for doing that.

I feel the need to expand on one point that I made earlier concerning the road blocks to actually granting amnesty is a real way with the laws and culture as they currently stand.

I want to address, to a further degree, the issue of distrust of authority within the illegal immigrant community.

Put yourself in their shoes for a moment. You come from a country where the police are little better than the criminals that they are suppose to be protecting you from. The police force is underpaid, under-trained and out-manned by the criminal organizations. They take bribes to look the other way when crimes are committed and, in some cases, actually co-operate with the criminals when the pay is good enough. In those few cases where a law enforcement official actually stands up for the law, they are gunned down or kidnapped, tortured and executed by the criminals as an example to those who would do so again.

Now, you come from a place where this is the normal state of affairs but you now live in another country. You are in that country illegally and someone tells you that the national authorities will give you sanctuary if you just come down to the local police department and declare that you are here illegally. Would you do it?

Some might but most, I propose, would not.

I suppose we could start shooting those who try to cross illegally and I'm sure once we got the point across, we would have much less of an illegal immigrant problem. Sounds like a good idea to me.

Lets see how many pissed off responses that gets.

How do they prove they've been in the United States for fifteen years?

They've been basically hiding the whole time.

They haven't paid any taxes.

They don't have a social security card.

They probably don't have bank accounts or credit cards.

They probably don't have rent leases that prove they lived in an apartment for fifteen years.

I suppose you mean living in America for fifteen continuous years. They probably go back and forth across the border. They live in America for a couple of months. They go back to Mexico for a couple of months. They haven't lived in any one spot for any length of time.

So, if you say that any illegal who has been here for fifteen years, how do they prove they've been here for fifteen years?

no offense but this is stupid. the border should already be secure and we shouldnt have to bargain with amnesty for it to all the sudden be impenetrable.

and on top of that your plan only covers the ones who can prove they are here 15+ years, what about the ones who cant? they arent just going to go home.

it doesnt solve anything and just gives a whole bunch of people a free ride.


you have to remember that we know nothing of these people, for all we know they are fugitives in another country, murderers and rapists.

and you want to just give them a freebie....

If you can make the border impenetrable, then why isn't the border already impenetrable.

Canada has their borders pretty much sealed tight. Canada lets about five thousand migrant workers in on temporary visas for the picking season. When the picking season is over, all Mexicans must leave. Or they are escorted out of Canada by the Royal Mounted Police.

Canada can seal their bordrs shut.

Why does America have a problem with sealing the border?

Seal the borders. Then work on a solution. And figure out how they can prove they've been in America for fifteen years.

Originally posted by fred call
If you can make the border impenetrable, then why isn't the border already impenetrable.

Canada has their borders pretty much sealed tight. Canada lets about five thousand migrant workers in on temporary visas for the picking season. When the picking season is over, all Mexicans must leave. Or they are escorted out of Canada by the Royal Mounted Police.

Canada can seal their borders shut.

Why does America have a problem with sealing the border?

Seal the borders. Then work on a solution. And figure out how they can prove they've been in America for fifteen years.

The heart of this issue, in my opinion, is that we have an ally in Canada where illegal immigration is concerned. We do not have this same type of relationship with Mexico. It seems that the Mexican government is more than happy to ship people across their northern border into the US no matter what we say. Until we can correct that issue, we will still have a major illegal immigration issue on our southern border.

It also galls me that "Human Rights" groups have no problem condemning the actions of this country but will not lift a finger to protest the actions of our southern neighbor. These groups show their hypocrisy when they support illegal immigrants coming into our country to be exploited by unscrupulous businesses. If these immigrants were any other nationality, I feel that these rights groups would be screaming from the highest mountains about how unjust the system was.

Another thing concerning this same issue is the fact that hispanic rights groups in the country support illegal immigration but never complains to our own government about the human rights abuses in Mexico. I would feel much more sympathy for these groups if they were fighting half as hard as, say, the Cuban-American community is for sanctions against their native homeland.

The illegal immigration problem reminds me of the Mariel Boatlift.

Castro empited all his prisons and insane asylums. Put all the inmates on boats of all sizes and leakage. Then sent all the boats to Miami.

Well, you couldn't exactly call Castro as being stupid. At least not as stupid as America in taking all of Cubas felons and psychopaths.

I'm sure that as soon as the Cuban insane reached the shores of Miami, they could swear that they'd been in Miami for fifteen years. And believe it.