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Originally posted by Come Clean
Originally posted by chemistry guy
I totally understand what its doing to this country, I have friends in AZ. They are very concerned and live in fear daily.
Minorities have lived in fear since 1492.
Originally posted by Jeep4x4
1. I don't know how I can provide proof that american workers are willing to do the jobs illegals perform. I am not sure if by what i stated that the burden of proof is on me... but then again, I guess someone else can't provide proof that illegals actually are performing jobs that americans won't do.
2. My comment about an individual's goal in life being for profit wasn't intended to be taken that way. I was trying to avoid my example of "employer incentive to higher illegals making sense in a capitalist society" turning into a debate or criticism about the evilness of american businesses. I meant that people in general will use a capitalist mindset to achieve their goals. Most people, including myself, don't have a goal of amassing money. Most people would want happiness, security in finances and shelter, vacationing, living somewhere beautiful, doing good... but essentially money is a large component in achieving any of those... for most people.
That is excellent you are a good person who wouldn't put profits above your employees but from personal experiences, most small and big business do not share your sentiment.
3. Not that it matters but I rarely use wikipedia and chide students of mine when they use it, but felt that for the purpose of quickly finding out which countries have open boarders, it worked well enough to illustrate that so very few nations use what many people commenting on this topic seem to feel is the better option.
4. I'll fall back on my previously stated first point, illegal immigrants are here illegally. When caught they should be deported and follow the proper procedures to become legal citizens. We should punish/correct illegal behavior, not reward/ignore it.
Originally posted by poet1b
reply to post by Jezus
Illegal immigration did not destroy the economy alone, and that is not what I said.
Illegal immigration is the biggest problem.
The fact, are there and they have been clearly established on this thread.
But I am sure you are not going to allow the facts get in the way of your opinion.
Wages go down and housing prices go up, and the banks make more and more money. This is the problem.
Originally posted by HSDA83
That idea would be great, if it worked.
Right now, Immigration (INS) has the lowest budget of all departments, illegals get arrested, some wait 2 years and can't get shipped back because no one will finance it, I had a friend of mine that called up the immigration to report a whole wharehouse of mexicans working down the street, they just laughed at him on the phone saying "we get calls like that all the time, but we have no enforcement to cover even half of that"...
What is the point of law if we have no inforcement?
I should say, they're not a bunch of mexicans with no education and unskilled, most of the construction jobs, landscaping, bruteforce work around the big cities are done by immigrants, the big time contractors have most of their workers hiding behind someone else's name and SSN...
They are good at what they do, and even the Union doesn't get these jobs for being bunch of hackers at work (all americans)
Who rebuilt New Orleans? the illegals
Who #ed it up again with an oi spill?
I know quite a few immigrants that work good, have good pay, even more than 40, 50/hour, while a good percentage of us americans just drop out of college, settle for minimum wages, just too lazy to do something with our lives...
I'm sorry for whoever thinks that illegal immigrants fly planes into buildings, the hijackers had bank accounts, credit cards, social security, went to flying school here in america, etc.
The best access we have to the illegals for this plan to work out is the employers, but is it worth for them? They're the only ones that would be able to ID them and report them, but they are exactly the part of america that needs the illegals the most.
They want to be here, hidden. Back in their countries they pay way more taxes, make way less money, buy crappy things there paying high prices, and are free, but unhappy. WHY? because america is in their country exploring them, taking the resources and then we feel bothered for having them here?
Originally posted by KingAtlas
i like the topic, but fundamentally the largest problem witht the solution that is proposed is that, If you make a certain group carry cards to identify themselves in the country as citizens then to make it constitutionally acceptable, then all People will have to carry cards.
The real problem is that if your born one mile to the left or right of an imaginary line detirmines the futur options you will have in life.
I think what they should ask is if the community will be able to support the new costs assosiated with this endeavor.
Originally posted by poet1b
If Mexicans were so good for the economy, then why is Mexico still a third world nation. You are completely clueless.
Originally posted by poet1b
I am not attacking Mexicans, I am pointing out how illegal immigration is bad for the U.S. economy, and if you had a clue you would know that Mexicans are not the only illegals.
The flood of immigration ended the rise in wages, so all those mortgage payments could not be met, and the whole house of cards collapsed.
In addition, it was the flood of immigrants who drove up the demand for housing.