So Where Did Restore America Plan (RAP) Originate

So Where Did Restore America Plan (RAP) Originate

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Introduction – By now we know about Restore America Plan or RAP. We are also hearing about the Republic of the United States for the first time since we have been on the planet. But where did RAP come from is a good question.

Attack on Tim Turner – Well President Tim Turner did not start RAP. He was approached by the military as was Sam Kennedy. Let's stop here and now discount all the jealous leaders of other movements who will stoop low enough to do anything to slander Tim Turner. They are just jealous to the point of hurting RAP for a chance at maybe getting their movement going for their glory. These people have done nothing in terms of getting a movement going, have no foreign support, no funding, no military support, and yet want to knock Tim Turner and RAP down. Bad motives. Many of them are involved with raising money or selling things which is raising money. So by their logic drop RAP and Tim Turner because of what they say and go back to Obama while we wait for them to maybe do something. Great idea more Obama. If we ever did that and their movement took hold then the other pseudo leaders would jump in and then attack them for the similar reasons. Either you want to see the people get free or you are self-serving. Give RAP a chance.

Obama the Perfect Storm - The military had a plan to reboot the nation and needed civilians to help with the constitutional structure of the reboot plan. Remember we always said Obama was the perfect storm. He is so bad. Not qualified to hold office, numerous social security numbers, probably an illegal alien (as in from Kenya), never attended undergraduate school at Columbia, made Harvard Law Review and never published anything bear in mind this guy never attended undergraduate school so how could he ever publish anything since he is operating on a High School level, and he mysteriously gets propelled into the White House. He is a muslim on top of everything else. He is opposed to the nation and the people. He is an enemy of freedom and the American way. Obama pushed things way too far. So no surprise the military said ok we need to protect the nation from enemies within according to our oath.

I had never heard of this RAP until now.. but I dont watch TV.. Now suddenly there are 3 new stories about this in the newest threads area.. what happened.. what this on the national news this morning or something?

I see.. all 3 stories are posted by you. You must really believe in this thing and want to get the word out huh?.. I will look over the info.

Seems to me you could have condensed all 3 posts into one big post about this subject. I think it would have made a better thread.. now, don't be surprised if a Mod deems one or two of the posts redundant and closes it.



[edit on 3-8-2010 by JohnPhoenix]

Whats been put up here will never be on the MSN, at least not for now!

reply to post by DCDAVECLARKE


What complete, utter and downright stupid nonsense.
What do you imagine will be accomplished by this joke of a nutcase movement? I mean really?
This , while appealling to know nothing right wing nuts, is so totally irrelevant as to make their entire "case" a complete joke.
Grow up. Please.

RAP has not made good on a single claim they have made, every deadline has passed without a whimper and now they have gone all secret on us with promises of just needing more time. Classic Tim Turner BS ; in another month everything will be just peachy... Sigh! Well he has been saying that for years. According to them we were all supposed to be free by now. And Tim Turner was not approached by the military nor Sam Kennedy who is no longer part of Rap. The Military did not escort the RAP servers as promised they were mailed. Everything was supposed to be great by end of April then it turned into May then June and now no more dates we just need more time etc. etc. blah blah BS!

How do I know all this I was approached to join rap because I have been involved in the patriot movement for over 20 years and tried various patriot technology including Tim Turners Secured Party Creditor paper work and seminar. As George Carlin likes to say; it's all BS!

Tell your friends at RAP to put up or shut up as I said they have not made good on a single claim, and I am not a part of any other group or guru, they are all BS! The patriot movement is long on BS and short on results!!! And Tim Turner is taking peoples money and giving them BS in return!

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Hello, I wanted to say I enjoyed your comments an how much truth there is to it,I have followed all these stories about their going to do this their going to do that, they haven't done jack s--- I like you am fed up with this b.s. who is this guy that keeps potraying all this and telling everyone this horses----?

Originally posted by DCDAVECLARKE
Whats been put up here will never be on the MSN, at least not for now!

Sorry there mate, I in fact have lead the fact-finding work for a major news service on this issue personally and I'll tell you why you haven't heard about it in the so-called Mainstream Media: It's all bull. My co-workers and I have been completely and utterly unable to verify any of what the RAP has claimed.

The military just laughed when they heard it, and asked why we were wasting our time with these idiots. The same happened everywhere else too. So we stopped looking because there is nothing there. We don't have time to chase down every nutter with delusions of power. The whole thing came out of Tim Turner's head. He might be insane, someone might be playing a hell of a joke on him, or he might be lying through his teeth, I really don't know because he wouldn't talk to us.

Either way, it's not worth our time, we have real news stories to cover.

Well thats that then ! how was i to know? im 4,000 miles away from you lot! an when i first saw it i thought my God! look whats happnin in the States, i wasent expecting the reaction its getting, but still it got the blood boiling an that cant be a bad thing! ill leave it at that..

[edit on 3-8-2010 by DCDAVECLARKE]

Originally posted by DCDAVECLARKE
Well thats that then ! how was i to know? im 4,000 miles away from you lot! an when i first saw it i thought my God! look whats happnin in the States, i wasent expecting the reaction its getting, but still it got the blood boiling an that cant be a bad thing! ill leave it at that..

[edit on 3-8-2010 by DCDAVECLARKE]

I'm even further than you are from the States mate. When RAP sent out their letters to the governors I got sent over to America to look into it with some researchers, this story did make all of the big networks for a while around Easter, mainly because nobody knew what was going on and the letters seemed to come out of nowhere.

We looked into it, and spent some time looking into other anti-government and protest groups at the same time, interviewed as many people as possible and generated a couple hundred pages of research data on the matter.

The general conclusion that we came to in fact is the same one that many of the other groups against the current US government in various capacities did too: that it was bunk.

There is no coming military coup in the US, at least surely not in this capacity. I will admit I am rather curious to see how Turner is going to backpedal again a month from now when nothing of what he is promising comes to reality yet again.

I personally think he's an attention seeker, and possibly a huckster, but I would say that uncovering his true nature is the job for the American media should they wish to undertake it. Here in London we were concerned that there could be a major story of unrest and instability in the United States, thankfully there was not.

Originally posted by DCDAVECLARKE
Well thats that then ! how was i to know? im 4,000 miles away from you lot! an when i first saw it i thought my God! look whats happnin in the States, i wasent expecting the reaction its getting, but still it got the blood boiling an that cant be a bad thing! ill leave it at that..

[edit on 3-8-2010 by DCDAVECLARKE]

Sorry to disappoint you friend I did not look at your location I thought you were promoting RAP. These guys piss me off. I was never taken in by RAP but I was by Tim Turner for a while. He gets on Talkshoe every week and makes all kinds of claims of success but never has he provided a single piece of evidence to any of it. But people are so hungry for change they eat it up. These guys piss me off. Tim did not Start RAP he got involved after the fact. and jumped ship on another movement called the Assembly movement that I was involved in.

What pisses me off most is I knew better and against my better judgement went along for a while. When RAP finally hit the streets I read the documents and tore it apart it was some of the shoddiest poorly written documents I have ever read worse then attorneys which made me suspicious. When I voiced my concerns supposed good friends that claimed they would defend me with thier lives and I them turned on me like hookers who just got paid for thier services.

They play on peoples fear or oppression and dreams of freedom and milk them for thier money. Tim Turner charges $400 a pop for his Secured Party Creditor Seminar and travels the country doing seminars. Claims to be a man of God and just a simple country boy. He has lots of charisma so people are taken in by him.

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Dan Rather talks about the corrupt Corporate media




Also find this very interesting:

Barack Obama and George Bush and Dick Cheney are cousins....



[edit on 4-8-2010 by DCDAVECLARKE]

They missed a letter

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Dude you have 5 Restore America Plan threads. PICK ONE So we can focus our posts.

reply to post by mryanbrown


They all represent different aspects of an on going trend !

I think it's a flawed plan. It's attempting to restore something that was never lost. And rather than identifying that, and how to claim common law jurisdiction. It's merely a spectacle pointing out government corruption.

Not how to circumvent it.

reply to post by DCDAVECLARKE


I really do not see what your response has to do with my looking into the RAP, but I will humor you on the videos you've posted:

First the BBC is not owned by any media magnate, are answerable first and foremost to the viewers specifically and strives for the highest level of journalism.

One of the reasons I really do like my job is because I have the security and the freedom to go after a multitude of stories, not just the obvious ones.

As for the relations of world leaders, once you are getting into things like 9th cousin, you have strayed pretty far out there. I am sure you and I are related in the same way to an equal number of famous people.

reply to post by ProjectJimmy

I worked for the BBC in the late 70s on Sets for light entertainment an i know the vibe there very well thank you! one thing, do you remember the News footage of 9/11? yea know! the one were they reported Building 7 had fallen down lol, an it was in the Background still standing! an later when they sussed it, it was taken off the loop sharpish! the good old BBC what! what! so my point is dont patrinise me when it comes to truthfull coverage of News from the BBC! OK?

Originally posted by DCDAVECLARKE
reply to post by ProjectJimmy

 

I worked for the BBC in the late 70s on Sets for light entertainment an i know the vibe there very well thank you! one thing, do you remember the News footage of 9/11? yea know! the one were they reported Building 7 had fallen down lol, an it was in the Background still standing! an later when they sussed it, it was taken off the loop sharpish! the good old BBC what! what! so my point is dont patrinise me when it comes to truthfull coverage of News from the BBC! OK?

Oh settle down, first of all get your facts straight. It was CNN not BBC that announced that WTC7 was in danger of collapse before it happened, and they got that information from FDNY, who was "pulling" all of their people from WTC7 at the time when it started to show signs of collapse. Again though, where on earth did that come from? Why are you just changing the subject so?

I wasn't even working for the BBC in 2001, I was in college. I have no idea why an attack off the cuff about something CNN did has anything to do with my team's decision that the RAP was not worth our time to continue researching and reporting on.

I have to also question your continued defense of the idea that the media is somehow biased against the RAP when members of the Patriot Movement in the United States have stated here that they are full of it and so is Turner. What's your angle here mate, why are you defending this so fully.

And don't give me the line you've given everyone else that it is just an interesting story, because it's not, you're taking it from all sides with no backup here, people don't just do that because it's interesting. I've seen the boys at BP give more ground than you have here.

Edit: Alright you've got me curious too, what's your beef with the BBC? Aside from our pro-union (both of governance and of workers) which we have been very frank about over the years, what have we done wrong mate? We've pretty well pissed off everyone equally, in fact we make a great point of it.

[edit on 4-8-2010 by ProjectJimmy]

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have to also question your continued defense of the idea that the media is somehow biased against the RAP when members of the Patriot Movement in the United States have stated here that they are full of it and so is Turner. What's your angle here mate, why are you defending this so fully.

And don't give me the line you've given everyone else that it is just an interesting story, because it's not, you're taking it from all sides with no backup here, people don't just do that because it's interesting. I've seen the boys at BP give more ground than you have here.

Edit: Alright you've got me curious too, what's your beef with the BBC? Aside from our pro-union (both of governance and of workers) which we have been very frank about over the years, what have we done wrong mate? We've pretty well pissed off everyone equally, in fact we make a great point of it.
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It was only interesting for a little while, but now its got things going an i like that, its like a chat in the Pub in London we all had after 9/11 an the brightest of us knew something was up when we saw the above footage, the illusion that the BBC was fair an just went out the window, so when you said you were working for auntie beeb i said to myself well that's just great she or he works for a news agency we can thrust, they don't lie, well im sorry i don't go a long with that an ether do a lot of people i know in London!

[edit on 4-8-2010 by DCDAVECLARKE]

reply to post by DCDAVECLARKE


Alright I'm not going to answer truther questions her regarding my employer, especially when you will answer none of the questions brought against you in any of the multiple threads you have started on this issue.

BBC reported after CNN did after viewing their coverage and misinterpreting it. There were tons of rumors that day, there were reports of other hijacked aircraft and such too that turned out to be in error but nobody mentions that.

Here's the official statement from the BBC regarding the tape:

BBC Noncomplicity Statment 9-11

At any rate, as I said I had no part in the reporting that day, although I have helped to cover other terrorist attacks and I will say they are chaotic to say the least.

Now, here's my deal to you: I will talk to you about the RAP, because that is the title of this thread, we're horribly off-topic and that is done from my side of it. That's all, stop trolling and let's get to the bottom of this shall we? I have very little patience for obfuscation.