So Durden I guess that I should just drop off the site 'cuz I don't have a Phd. that says expert? Yes, I agree more evidence about a particular subject is warranted, but I did not think I was out of line. I guess I'll need to track everything I see so I can reference it later with a biblio. I gotta say that some of the posts on this site reference sources that are suspect at best. In the future I will try to cite examples for others to check out. As this original post asked for thoughts on this film I gave one.

P.S.....

Y'know, I've gone over some of my other posts. Durden, you make a valid point. I think I'd better lurk for a while until I get better at this.

-Sincerly, Dagburned Tenderfoot




[edit on 23-8-2004 by Der Kapitan]

Fair enough, Der Kapitan. And no - I absolutly don't think you should drop off the site as I value your opinion. In this particular case, I was merely inquiring what you based that opinion on, as this usually can make a difference.

[edit on 23-8-2004 by Durden]

I am still looking through my mass collection of cd's for the larger file.It was in WMV format and alot bigger.
Some are debating on the whole skip/bounce thing.
If you watch,it is clearly 'trying' to gain control as it is gaining more speed.
It skips to the ground then has it's 'bounce' effect and you can see it is trying to and looks to be,gaining momentum and control only to fail.
From what I see,after the skip/bounce,it does not appear to keep going off of the skip/bounce momentum.Rather it picks up speed and tries again.
This is how I am seeing it.Some may see different.

I hink it is a land version of something similar to the British "bouncing bomb" that was used with amazing results during WWII.

I think the question people are missing is.. Why the # is there someone with a video camera out in the desert, in perfect position to record this "crash" with the perfect view??

I think this was obviously (to my mind)supposed to bounce and crash and the camera man was there to record the effect it would bring. There is quite a lot of shrpnel there! Would be a powerful weapon.

Haha...I saw that at a UFO symposium also. Jaime Musant or whatever his name is showed it as a UFO crash. What he didn't say was that it was edited from a missile malfunction.....I know cuz I saw the whole sequence on a discovery channel show about rockets and X-planes, and it shows the launch, the malfunction in mid-air...once it got side on and oval looking is where the UFO faker started his version of the vid. It looks all bright lightish cuz at that stage the rocket is white hot and about to blow. If you see the whole footage from start to finish you'd be peed off how the UFO rich-list have no shame in trying to fool you for money.

Do you know if this entire video exists online anywhere?
I guess that 'may' explain my theory of it trying to gain control,,,,,the thing is out of control!!
I wouldnt really call this a fake though.Just a good edit job.

Well one day I did call this place to Buy a thermo Image Device. The man did let me know our Government is 30 years ahead of Technology. But this does not mean We cannot Guess as to what they have. And Im not saying I don't think this was an f-16 or rocket, I am saying I know it was not. I have seen a hundred rocket crashed into dirt and never did one Bounce.
The answer to your question "why does everyone think our government has this great flight Technology" is Because thats what they want you to think, So we don't go around thinking we are seeing UFOs from space in the sky. We the people will think what our masters want us to think. Its just like pearl harbor. Our Government wanted to get in the War, our people did NOT want war. How do we get our people to want war is the Question? The answer is Allow Japan to bomb us, Maybe even take part in it our selfs. Blowing the # out of Hawaii surly will not make this country fall. May even allow us to go to war and prevail.
If you want to know How I know this Mind Manipulation tricks Come see my site www.truthufo.com I have a section On mass mind control Anyone who thinks we the people are anything more than sheep should learn How to control a population via mass mind control. We only know what Bill Oriley tells us we know.



[edit on 8-9-2004 by asala]

So your saying you believe what they tell you ?? You waited around for this show to tell you something is special about this crash as appose to what you see??? This is exactly what I mean people know what Bill Oriley tells them, If Bill would have said eeewwww wow this has to be a UFO . Even without his credentials you would have believed him. Seems you among others where just waiting for some expert to come tell you the facts. And because nobody did you now think it is nothing. Cant you just make up your mind?? Go to www.winmx.com and start downloading f-16 crashes or rocket test footage. go learn about impact for your self. Don't wait for Hollywood to tell you something. Your exactly the kind of person , some jerk at the pentagon comes out and says ,"O that was just a special craft of ours don't be worried about it" and you buy the entire story hmm???
PEOPLE This quote is the epidemy of TV mind control If its on TV it is real.


jin

Originally posted by LazarusTheLong
discovery channel had a ufo documentary that shouwed it as a lead in clip for a segment... the funny thing was... it was the best video footage of the whole hour long program, and it was just used in a "bumper" shot collage... they never did comment about that particular video during the program, but yet it was shown in the shows advertisments and lead-ins... no comment... to me that means there was nothing of interest to say... it looked impressive enough to make people watch the show, but rather than show the video during he show and say "and here is a rather inpressive video of a military aircraft that looks like a UFO" they just didn't mention it... they must have played it 8-10 times (before/after every commercial). I would have to think if it was a real ufo, that they would have at least commented on it...
just a military test.

Im interested in your findings and your thoughts jin
I'll be looking forward to your next post.
I wasnt able to find the old version I had,but makes no difference since we now have the video in full ( so we think ) right here.
I did DL that Discovery channel program and it had the clip and I was going to clip that part out and upload,but again,no need to now.

As for the object.Was and always has been a strange finding.The way it hits the ground,and this is totally visible as you can see the dirt fly up,and then gain control and try again.
Not really sure what to make of it but I think it may be safe to say that it is no missle or rocket.
Maybe it is indeed a round craft that the military were working on?maybe it was a test flight.But I will say this.If they did make this thing,they built one hell of a craft to withstand that first crash.Maybe that first hit was a lucky flook as well

Maybe it is indeed a round craft that the military were working on?

Have you seen the whole footage? It runs unbroken from the rocket sitting on the launch pad to the final explosion. When it's on the launch pad there is no doubt that it's a rocket, as I think everybody is familiar with what a rocket looks like. As to that fella above that said 'because it's on TV we believe it'...I'm not sure what you are meaning.....are you saying that the complete footage of a failed rocket launch is fabricated ? Or that the UFO explanation is a fraud? If you are saying that the rocket launch is a fraud just because it was on TV....well thats just a linguistic mechanism isn't it? If the evidence doesn't fit a persons desire for the fantastic to be real, they just say 'oh thats just a government cover-up, TV mind control thing'. It's just a throw away line.... meaningless use of ridicule to support their theory, just as ridicule is used to disprove their theory. Having seen it for myself, I am in no doubt that what I saw was a f@#$ed up rocket launch.....it didn't slam into the ground, it skimmed the ground (all be it a hard skim)...but it didn't survive...it sploded on the next touchdown, anyway it's not like it's made of tissue paper. Also the guy that tried to sell it as real at the UFO symposium is no stranger to pedaling fraudulant and conveniently edited videos. Think about it, whats the chances of some one just happening to be at the right place at the right time with a movie camera as a UFO crashes right in front of them?

If you watch,it is clearly 'trying' to gain control

It's thrusting at full throttle, it's gonna want to take off again....it's designed to fly, but it's been countered by a screwed up guidence system that keeps it repeating a shallow parabolic course. Also there would be a guy sitting at the control panel with his finger hovering over the destruct button, although I can't say for sure whether the destruct button was pushed or not. If Iwas in any doubt (which I'm not), I'd approach somebody who would know about said launch and find out the details. Although I realise that suggestion will just get the 'can't trust anybody in the government/NASA/airforce' paranoia response.





[edit on 28-8-2004 by Zero Point]

that video doesnt have very good resolution, i downloaded a video of that on kazaa and it had much better resolution

Zero Point,
I really missed something here.The link above to DL the video.I got it but at no time does it show a rocket on a launch pad.Anyone have the ENTIRE video?
I keep getting this 'edited' one and that is why I am coming up with my questions and skepticism.If this is indeed a rocket launch gone bad and I can see,all my theories go out the door!
Not saying that anyone is a lier,just seeing talk of a rocket but no video of a so called launch.

SMR
There must be several different versions of "complete videos'. I wouldn't have posted my two cents if I hadn't seen the whole thing. It especially sticks in my mind because of how the UFO sympossium I went to held it up as a real crash, only for me to see the whole thing from launch to crashing rocket several months later. I don't know if the show I saw it on was the same one as the people above, (as I saw it on New Zealand TV) but the segment I'm referring to was a compilation of 'when rocket launches go bad'.

yea i saw the movie and i think its a saucer which could be alien and or alien and gov working together

[edit on 29-8-2004 by rexreynoldsr]

IF this thing came from Edwards 800+ miles away why couldn't it just as easily come from Nellis/Area 51 or Minot? That it appears to hit, bounce and then hit again may not be what you see.

Christ allfriggingmighty, it came from less than a few kilometers away to the right, from where this certain section that has you all screaming UFO, starts.
AND IT WAS A ROCKET! If it was such a frigging top secret, why was it shown on television along with a whacky sound track as this and other rockets crashed, blew up or plain and simple fizzled out on the pad? Alot of you seem to believe way to quickly....ooooh look..bright light...'yep it's a dang UFO, nothing else it could be'. Oh BTW the bright light aspect of it, is not the craft itself, but the flame from the rocket.



[edit on 29-8-2004 by Zero Point]

Zero Point
I have looked for the 'entire' video but no luck so far.Tried a few torrents as well.
All I keep finding is the craft/missle in mid flight.
If you happen to come across it,please let me know.

maybe this was a government test on Armour for aircraft... it heads directly down towards earth with no visible signs of trying to change it's angle of approach (looks intentional). the after the first impact 'bounces' and increases in altitude and goes down again at what looks to be the same angle of descent as the first maybe as a second go at seeing how powerful the armour on the flying object is... it took one smack, had ago at the second and disintegrated...back to the drawing board.

sound plausable?