I would rather be a sheep than a man who lives in fear.

reply to post by Wotan89


It sounds to me like you just need to kick ATS to the curb for a little while man... though learning to handle fear is something I would recommend, I don't think Alex Jones did this to you. I think people on this Website who told you Alex Jones was any more reliable than the MSM did this to you.

See, you're going to run into packs of people here that will shove NWO/FEMA death camps/martial law/chemtrails/Codex Alimentarius so far down your throat you don't have a choice but to digest it.

What you haven't done is accepted the fact that most of these people are just as full of it as those they would accuse of being full of it in Sheeple Land or whatever its called. Ergo, just because someone found a parking lot full of covered Kias in Jacksonville on Google Earth doesn't mean the U.N. is getting ready to ship you off to an internment camp... which again, is accepted because someone took a picture of a railyard that had (gasp!) a fence around it.

Thinking for yourself can do wondrous things - such as helping you filter through utter nonsense even though more than one person's been suckered into believing it.

In the meantime, like I stated first; I would just unplug for awhile and relax...

you would have to be crazy to believe half the crap you read on here. you would also have to be crazy or stupid not to seek knowledge other than what the mainstream media pushes in your face daily. remember, knowledge is power.

Originally posted by Alethea
Fear will always be there until you learn to confront it. And by experiencing the fear you begin to think of potential scenerios and how you will be prepared to meet an encounter. Fear serves to prepare and motivate you.

Sometimes there are real dangers in the world and we cannot always put our heads in the sand. It is an advantage to be able to think through probable situations and know how you would react. This gives you power. This gives you the upper hand. This gives you the ability to turn the tables.

Granted a lot of the things you are referring to may be false flags and unnecessary fearmongering. But examine the claims, because there could be a grain of truth. If not, ask why you are being played. Remember the illusionist is determined to distract you from the trick that is really happening in his left hand.

Don't look where these fear mongers are pointing. Look in another direction and maybe you will begin to see why they are yelling so loud to throw you off the scent.

That is why I chose the signature that I did. It is my interpretation of the world around me.

To the OP,

I understand that this can be overwhelming and you are not the first, nor will you be the last to have these feelings. In the beginning, I found myself getting pulled into a void as well. It is because I was being overwhelmed with opinions of others and information I had never thought to consider. I had to pull back for a while and process, then evaluate my own life and the immediate world I lived in.

I found, for myself, that I could control how much I take in at a time and that is what I deal with.

Please remember that as long as you are questioning the system and the world around you, you are still participating in the search for truth. That is all that anyone can ever hope to be part of and live a decent life.

It is the pursuit of knowledge that drives the pursuit of truth.

Be well and keep safe.

Ignorance is bliss. Roll over and go to sleep if you want.

Apparently it's possible to be a sheep while being "aware".

Quit being so god damn gullible.

Stories are entertaining. Some of the best stories are those that are most believable... but they're still stories.

For all we know, 99% of the crap on ATS is completely false — but 1% could be true.

FILTER IT!

you thought of suicide because of these things that MITE happen?

sounds like a nut job to me

Originally posted by PsychoX42
reply to post by kevinunknown

 

Well yes Kevin, I was on that thread that you created. There were a few things that did not ring true for me, in your posts, though.

However, after seeing the weakness displayed by the OP, I would have to say that there are certain people who are better off taking the proverbial "Blue Pill," so that their stability (or the illusion of their stability) can remain intact.

This guy sounds like he's either got an agenda, or, the alternative would be that he was always imbalanced from the very beginning and simply cannot ascertain any reality suitable for himself.

Regardless...it sounds like he needs help and hopefully he'll find it. I'm sure its nothing that a decent dose of Thorazine couldn't handle.


[edit on 3-8-2010 by PsychoX42]

I honestly don't agree with the majority of this and this is why....
You all seem to think way too deeply into conspiracies to even recognize that someone here has put out a call for help in the humanitarian sense. This upsets me because you all are claiming that TPTB are cruel but look at your cruelty here! Besides, your reference to drugs makes me wonder what your agenda is? Sell much pharma here lately? A general rule should be: If you are not a doctor, stop diagnosing people and prescribing drugs before we call the FDA on you.
Now with that said, there are plenty of people like the OP who have thought their lives fine until they run into adversity. A good example in real life is the job market, job loss and the rise in suicides. Most of these people would have never committed these acts if it weren't for the circumstances they have found themselves in and the hypocrisy of people claiming to be good and helpful when actually are just looking for quick self gratification by what they think is quick witted taunts and jabs. It is these things that make people not want to face reality in the first place - the cruelty of their fellow man!
Also, we fear what we don't really understand so if you are not willing to comfortably root out the information these people provide and check sources to verify them as fact or fear based, then you do run the risk of paranoia overload. Most people can only deal with one topic at a time anyway, that's why there are 'specialists' in every field. No one person can house all the info!
So OP, I'm glad you have stepped back from the computer abyss to take a breath and make health assessments for yourself. It is actually more than most people (like Psycho here) do. Also, stop trying and start living. You should be out there getting more out of life just in case things go bad instead of biting your nails waiting for it to do so. Heck, suppose it takes TPTB another 25 yrs to see their plans completed? You would have wasted 25 yrs. Go grab a ball and bat or a fishing pole and take the kiddies out for a good time. They will love having you back! (Note: generalizing here - I don't know if the OP has kids, but they are a great way to beat the blahs!)

I'm curious as to why you would blame the messenger?

I didn't need Alex Jones to tell me 9/11 was an inside job.All I had to do was turn on the television set.

I blame the government for their lies and their actions..not some conspiracy theorists.

Do you know how many movies and dvds and TV specials the government has done on 9/11,or has allowed?Don't tell me they don't make money off it still because they do.

And how much money do you make from something that is free on the internet?What about the costs to make their dvds?What about the plane trips?What about paying bills and feeding their families?I suppose they should just do it all for free..and live on the streets?Spend their lives putting out the truth...for free.

Nice try debunker.But this seems like a ploy to shift the blame from the government(the ones who are responsible) to the messenger.

So you would rather not know what the government is up to?IF they were poisoning us wouldn't you want to know?You wouldn't want to know if the government was purposely killing people?So you would rather be the unsuspecting sheep that gets slaughtered by the wolf unexpectedly?

Well baaa to you brother.

Originally posted by Wotan89
I hate, hate, hate, hate, HATE them!!!

I have absolute respect and understanding for your views as posted. However, by holding such dark energy and emotion inside yourself you are doing yourself a major disservice and essentially falling for the deception that those personalities have warned about.

Rise above it, have love in your heart, love everyone, and i wish you all the very best... love is the answer

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Leave the research of conspiracies to those who can "handle the truth"

Many of us are in the same position as you are. Illuminated with energy of knowledge but nothing to do. However, throughout history, we the people have always faced conflict with TPTB (The Powers That Be).

Sure we live in a time where revolutions seems too aggressive and "terrorist-like" to even create a resolve in the matters of life's conspiracies.

BOTH THE GOVERNMENT AND THE GOVERNED WISH TO AVOID CIVIL CONFLICT. THERE WILL ALWAYS BE A LOSS.

To answer you question, when the time comes when the inevitable comes into play. Where suicide is, as you say cowardice. There will be many people, aside from the violent, alongside the "NWO" and the "Lovers of Freedom" finding compromise. Because in the end, war is not bout convincing the otherside to give up, but to work together.

...however, not every conspiracy is just a theory.

I had to stop reading after the first page of replies as I am a bit sick. I am shocked that all of this chatter can make anyone want to commit suicide. OK SO LET"S GET THIS OUT OF THE WAY NOW - A METEORITE CAN AT ANY MOMENT RIP THROUGH THE ATMOSPHERE HIT YOU ON THE HEAD AND KILL YOU. Its true, it can happen. So now let's all contemplate suicide over that one, cuz lord knows the pressure of knowing that is just to great to function as a human (or an evolved monkey or fish or product of aliens or of god or dust or whatever). Think about this, if the internet was never invented, what would you be doing right now? I for one was one of the biggest JackA$$s for believing in Y2K. A basement full of food and a $5200 bill from my electrician to wire up a new sub panel and a generator. The gas stored in my basement was probably a greater threat them Y2K ever was. After that, I just laughed it off and promised myself to take a pill ( and not the red or blue).

Can we all just go back to the cooler side of the unknown and chat about dinosaurs, aliens, moonbases and whether or not the Egyptians had a dam lightbulb!

Originally posted by DazedDave


People who truly believe in this stuff are either

1) clinically paranoid

or

2) pissed off that their life sucks and isn't what that wanted it to be, and are happy to blame that on some secret outside power that is controlling them because that way, their crappy lives aren't their fault.

You forgot one:
3) All of the above

Don't be such a 'fraidycat. Buck up.

This is no world for you to live in if you can't accept the truth.

The secret is to know the truth from ulterior agenda.

Thank you for voicing the thoughts and feelings of many... We tend to live our pain very personally whence in fact many around are the same but eventually adapt to it in different ways (denial, steering away from the news/propaganda, optimism, sports, social activities, drugs, suicide...)

Remember what JOHN F KENNEDY said? "THERE IS NOTHING TO FEAR BUT FEAR ITSELF"

So don't give the "depopulators" the satisfaction of giving up on your life, take it and try to live it fully with the method of adaptation that makes you happy, whatever it is (exposure to sunlight and some physical/social activity are major remedies to any personal down)

Don't let propaganda and fear rent space in your mind, you have a life to live! It's all yours! Don't waste it!

You know what? all this trouble has been caused by my great grand mother eve xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx(many times) she nicked an apple, bit it then gave it to her old man adam and he had a bite as well, then their eyes were opened knowing both good and bad (like us???), and then to make it all worse the solution ,the access to the tree of life was blocked.

So now we have to learn more and more to make us wiser , but with the positive comes the negative ,(this living lark ain,t easy, )you look up a word in the dictionary and instead of getting a one word explanation,you get many words with similar meanings.now this gets more confusing because with every word gives more and more meanings, so eventually we know ALL the words and meanings in the dictionry of both good and evil.
We are still missing the key ,and that is Wisdom,cause when we get the understanding ,that tree of life should start to appear.I cannot see it but it is there somewhere, at least i think it is,it should be,well maybe not. Where are those wise men? Many are on ATS.

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Can't believe so many ATS sheep followed this terrible thread. You probably are kidding -- hope so. But I've met church goers who are exactly like you say you are -- scared of their own skin.

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Suicide is not the answer. Your soul will just send you right back into similar circumstances until you learn the lessons you need to learn. In this case I don't know your whole story however from what you have written it appears one thing you need to learn is to quit blaming others and take responsibility for your actions. You chose to listen and read the people you are blaming, no one forced you too. Time to grow up a little and realize the world has good and bad and you can't expect people to only broadcast or write things that you prefer or that are all warm and fuzzy. You alone are responsible for what you choose to consume.

On another note. One must balance the negative with the positive. Sounds to me like you were obsessed with all the negative and focused solely on it for too long especially if you were contemplating suicide. Get out and enjoy life, love, create, have fun, laugh etc. Still it is good to be aware of events unfolding however don't let them control your life and you do that by placing your attention on the positive more then the negative.. I started a thread on this very things called There is Still Beauty in the World! The Positive Thread!

Anyway sounds like you are on the road to recovery so to speak so this is my 3 cents.

[edit on 3-8-2010 by hawkiye]

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Thank you so much for posting this - I've been looking for a perfect example that highlights some serious flaws in humanity.. You've just provided me with a very condensed and perfect example of them...

Now, in regards to your statements - I feel very sorry for you..

Lets look closer at your posting -

I would rather be a sheep than a man who lives in fear.

So um, those are your only two options eh buddy? In all of this mess, you have those two options, and you force yourself to make a choice between the two?

I see major critical thinking flaws here - something that seems to be a serious problem and a pandemic of those who are forced to attend public education. Again am sorry you feel you have no other choices.

That was when I contemplated suicide.

Ok, that is extremely unhealthy.. Do you think that by forcing your self into two very narrow options, you might have created a considerable amount of undue stress on your self? Would this add to your sudden desire to contemplate suicide? I also see the potential here that you very well likely do this other things in your life, would you be open to the thought process of more then two options on things? Something other then Black and White? Little color never hurt anyone..

I blame the following people for my fear.

Ahh yes, my next favorite part - I notice you have a nice little list there of people to blame, but yet, funny enough - you have not put yourself on this list.. Why? Is it not your body? Is it not your Emotions? Is it not your Thought Patterns? One can not blame any of the people you have listed for anything you have mentioned. They are people too, they also have options (prob more then 2) and are free to live and speak as they see fit. From what I can tell, your trying to express a desire to silence them.. Isn't that the next step to resolve these problems you have mentioned? Where do we go after you "Blame" them?

I will never, never, EVER forgive these for what they did to me!

Wow, amazing verbiage here. From my 3rd party perspective here, I can say that you have blamed and now tried these people and they have been sentenced with never being forgiven by you.. Huh - am going to revert back to my thought process and critical thinking skills I mentioned above - for there is no where else to go with this..

But if the NWO does take over--and I personally do not think they will, for I believe they do not exist--and will kill myself. There is no stopping me from doing so.

Gosh - right back to the black and white / only have two options thinking again.. Am going to also repeat that I personally believe this is an on going problem you experience in all aspects of your life.

I personally respect Gerald Celente, but he lost some credibility when he appeared on "The Alex Jones Show."

So now you are off shooting messengers - This reminds me of people who shop at walmart or target, and really like to buy all the products that have that super fancy labels and packaging - I mean, if the picture looks good, its gotta be good right? (regardless of how much petro dollars it takes to make it, ship it, sell it, and then dispose of it).. Again, am finding serious flaws in your critical thinking abilities (memorization skills seem to be superb though).

I could continue here with just about every statement you have made - All of this is nothing but Gross.. Am sorry for saying it, but its true.

So - where do we go from here?

Am not going to call you a coward - am not going to call you names, am not going to give you that final "push"..

Continued ---

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Continued --

I am going to tell you that you need to open up your mind, release some of that rigidness towards idea's, thoughts, and opinions of your fellow humans. Take control of your emotions, of your own brain and use it for yourself.

Stop becoming all hung up on what others think, if they are name calling or belittling.. These people you blame, they are nothing but spring boards for you. Take there messages, think about them, do some research (not just bouncing between conspiracy sites and skeptic's sites), make your own decisions. My favorite statement is - Use your own brain, don't let others use it for you.

Go learn a skill that is extremely difficult for you - This will boost your self confidence, it will allow you to walk upright with your other fellow humans, rather then running in circles trying to decide "what team you are on".

Once you release the mentality of "what others think" and start thinking for yourself - many of these knots you are tying your self in and the black and white only decision process you go through will disappear - immediately.

If you are afraid of something or have fear of something - then take steps to protect yourself.. Your fear is only the symptom of the problem - if you fear something then do something about it.

An example - Do you fear the powers that be are trying to slowly starve you by controlling your food - poisoning you?

If you answered Yes - then start growing your own food - All over the world people in major cities have very small gardens. Grow it organically - go to the library and read on how to do it. In WWII - they called these Victory Gardens.

Once you start working to fix the problem (grow your own food/look for others that also grow there own food and make friends/learn from them) your fears will begin to disappear. I know this for a fact, and I am a living example of just such.

Now take the above example and apply it to everything - First Read, Second Learn, Third look at your options (there are always more then 2), Fourth decide how to start fixing it, Fifth create a game plan to follow through with your decision.

Don't Hate people though, and don't Hate things - in all honesty your are providing the people you are afraid of, everything they need.. Negative emotions.

Make the decision that you want to add something to this world - something more then obtaining a BMW or having the best material items..

Then decide what you would like to add - make it a positive item, you will then "draw" other positives from it, rather then adding negativism and "drawing" more negativism to it.

Lastly - I write this because I care.. Why do I care, I care because you are a Human (I assume anyway) and as a Human, we all come from the same place, we are all one, we are all connected.

We have to first take care of ourselves, then we need to look around and start taking care of others as well.. Until we do - its just an endless circle..